Preview 2019 Qualifying Final - Cats v Pies, 7:50pm Friday

[you pick one]

I've seen this before but Jebus it's sobering.

"Over the past eight years, the Cats have won just three of their 12 finals. This barren stretch includes just one victory in their past five finals, and in each of these four defeats they have started painfully slowly, being outscored in first quarters by a combined 113 points – conceding 20.12 (132) while scoring just 1.13 (19) themselves."

 

[year of the cat]

I've seen this before but Jebus it's sobering.

"Over the past eight years, the Cats have won just three of their 12 finals. This barren stretch includes just one victory in their past five finals, and in each of these four defeats they have started painfully slowly, being outscored in first quarters by a combined 113 points – conceding 20.12 (132) while scoring just 1.13 (19) themselves."

In other words, we'll know in the first 15 minutes whether we've come to play.

 

[Pollywaffle]

Needs to lead for the ball more

And to stop whinging at the umpires when decisions don't go his way( or a least wait until play stops before doing so..)

 

[Nickoo]

Yeah not this year; but unlike the others he's shown that level of ability before so I not sure the MC would be happy to leave someone like that out of the team.

Maybe Clark’s re-injure yesterday may help on selection coz he can run and kick long.


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[Strange Cat]

In other words, we'll know in the first 15 minutes whether we've come to play.

Not much else has changed lol

 

[Nickoo]

In other words, we'll know in the first 15 minutes whether we've come to play.

All have absolutely awful footy attending experience. And I still can’t believe it’s not coach effected. The lack of effort in those qtrs was the same. What causes that at Geelong and not elsewhere.

People have mentioned Paddy’s influence as well but 2014’s issues were definitely not his.


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[STPer18]

Henderson -----> Kolo
Tuohy ------> Atkins

 

[catempire]

I've seen this before but Jebus it's sobering.

"Over the past eight years, the Cats have won just three of their 12 finals. This barren stretch includes just one victory in their past five finals, and in each of these four defeats they have started painfully slowly, being outscored in first quarters by a combined 113 points – conceding 20.12 (132) while scoring just 1.13 (19) themselves."

Although the oldest of those five losses was only three years ago, we will have at most 10 players from that side playing next Friday night.

 

[Vdubs]

All have absolutely awful footy attending experience. And I still can’t believe it’s not coach effected. The lack of effort in those qtrs was the same. What causes that at Geelong and not elsewhere.

People have mentioned Paddy’s influence as well but 2014’s issues were definitely not his.


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Might be worth looking at the results elsewhere. In particular, which other teams have had the same amount of finals exposure?
Hawks.

Pies?
Swans?
WCE?
Take Hawthorn out of the equation because they ARE the gold standard, but I would think other teams are no better off.
Some years, we just should not have been there but for HGA and coaching.

 

[you pick one]

Although the oldest of those five losses was only three years ago, we will have at most 10 players from that side playing next Friday night.

Is it all to do with Geelong now though,or is there a concerted effort from opposition coaches and teams to try and sow the seeds of doubt from the first bounce,max effort first quarter?

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Although the oldest of those five losses was only three years ago, we will have at most 10 players from that side playing next Friday night.

We MuSt Do A pRoPeR rEbUiLd ThOuGh?!?!

Herpa Derp

 

[Nickoo]

Although the oldest of those five losses was only three years ago, we will have at most 10 players from that side playing next Friday night.

Really just 10 from 2016!!

So thats?
1.Blics
2.Hawk
3.2e
4.Joel
5.Duncan
6.HT
7.Stanley
8.CGuth
9.JBews
10.Kolo



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[catempire]

Is it all to do with Geelong now though,or is there a concerted effort from opposition coaches and teams to try and sow the seeds of doubt from the first bounce,max effort first quarter?

Bit of both. I think Geelong has tried to ride the early pressure in the hope that we could get control and the game on our terms. In those failures the opposition pressure was overwhelming and devastating on the scoreboard.

I think this year we will see a different approach (high pressure ourselves) and plenty of different personnel.

 

[catempire]

Really just 10 from 2016!!

So thats?
1.Blics
2.Hawk
3.2e
4.Joel
5.Duncan
6.HT
7.Stanley
8.CGuth
9.JBews
10.Kolo



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No Tuohy + Dangerfield

There was also Scooter, Menegola, Smith and Henderson who look like not playing this week.

 

[Nickoo]

Might be worth looking at the results elsewhere. In particular, which other teams have had the same amount of finals exposure?
Hawks.

Pies?
Swans?
WCE?
Take Hawthorn out of the equation because they ARE the gold standard, but I would think other teams are no better off.
Some years, we just should not have been there but for HGA and coaching.

Absolutely. And like paying taxes having a bad finals record is not such a bad thing.

But the point is how we lose these first qtrs. in finals is remarkable which is why so many remark about it. WCE were in that game 2016 against dogs. Hawks weren’t out of QF until late 3rd last year. But Cats get obliterated 80% of the time from the first 5mins.


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[BotsMaster]

In other words, we'll know in the first 15 minutes whether we've come to play.

We came to play in 2016 & 2017.

 

[Nickoo]

No Tuohy + Dangerfield

There was also Scooter, Menegola, Smith and Henderson who look like not playing this week.

Ah so yes, replace 2e with Danger but the rest not playing. Thank you.



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[Landgraft]

I've seen this before but Jebus it's sobering.

"Over the past eight years, the Cats have won just three of their 12 finals. This barren stretch includes just one victory in their past five finals, and in each of these four defeats they have started painfully slowly, being outscored in first quarters by a combined 113 points – conceding 20.12 (132) while scoring just 1.13 (19) themselves."

Way too much being read into the most carefully cherry-picked of numbers.

 

[Pollywaffle]

Tuohy has never been anything but a liability in finals.

Perhaps as backman yes, but if he were to play further up the ground might free up his mind..?

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Perhaps as backman yes, but if he were to play further up the ground might free up his mind..?

Haven't really seen any evidence of that yet, though, have we? Last-minute positional changes heading into finals haven't worked out too well in the past.

 

[Vdubs]

Haven't really seen any evidence of that yet, though, have we? Last-minute positional changes heading into finals haven't worked out too well in the past.

Some GF's yes.
Bartel to Hayes 09
Bartel to KF 11

and Danger to KF 16 v Swans.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Some GF's yes.
Bartel to Hayes 09
Bartel to KF 11
Danger to KF 16

We were always aware Bartel was a more versatile player than we are with Tuohy. I would also that playing Danger in the forward line for protracted periods has never really yielded significant benefit. Plus, Danger began his career as a forward, so in fact the evidence was there he could play the role; it was more a matter of where we were best served using him.

 

[Vdubs]

We were always aware Bartel was a more versatile player than we are with Tuohy. I would also that playing Danger in the forward line for protracted periods has never really yielded significant benefit. Plus, Danger began his career as a forward, so in fact the evidence was there he could play the role; it was more a matter of where we were best served using him.

CS has well admitted to liking the work Tuohy is doing on the forward line.
It solves the issue of him being in defence, plus he has some accuracy and speed.

 

[Gunf]

We could all ways drop Touhy for Parsons he is a proven goal kicker

 

[ShaunWDT]

Need to be brave and drop a defender, wouldn't be dropping Touhy when he's actually providing an avenue to goal.