2020 Draft Day Wash Up - Thoughts on our picks

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ferball said:
What makes you think we didn't do that? The first three picks seem like different types.

Like younger versions of Cunners, Higgo and Jy if you like.

And the first two could well be the best available.
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Well all three are small-medium midfielders who do their best work on the inside. As for the similarities to Cunners, Higgo and Jy, I guess we will have to watch more than highlights to see if that holds true. I did watch a full game with Powell and he didn't remind me of Higgo at all. But it was just one game.

I'm not against what we did in the draft, it seems like a definite plan - which is a good thing. If it does seem that we drafted to a plan then it is unlikely that it was a case of best available.
 
chairo said:
Well all three are small-medium midfielders who do their best work on the inside. As for the similarities to Cunners, Higgo and Jy, I guess we will have to watch more than highlights to see if that holds true. I did watch a full game with Powell and he didn't remind me of Higgo at all. But it was just one game.

I'm not against what we did in the draft, it seems like a definite plan - which is a good thing. If it does seem that we drafted to a plan then it is unlikely that it was a case of best available.
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What is "best available"?

Best kick? Best ball winner, best at bringing teammates into games?

BEst leader? Best at dragging teams to victory from impossible odds?

You need to know the recruiter's criteria.

But as you say it seems like we drafted to a plan. So if we drafted the players who were "best available" to fit that plan even if they aren't rated the absolute best players then I'd prefer we drafted them. Don't dogmatically pick the so called best available if there is someone else there you think is better for your side, otherwise you won't get the maximum improvement you were aiming for. Most teams don't really appear to have a plan but right now we do.
 

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Pykie said:
I've mulled over it since last night.

I'd probably rate it a 7/10.

I really like most of the picks in isolation, but probably not so much as an entire group.

I think we probably hit 8.5/10 for the individual players we got, but probably about a 6/10 for hitting some of the lists needs and balance

I think it's a pretty ballsy move taking 3 genuine mids (Lazarro can potentially evolve into a Papley type small, but isn't super quick) and then another medium fwd (despite me being thrilled with Ford at that pick).

We're going in fairly light on for KPP's.

The top end of the 2021 draft is stacked with genuine mids also.

It will be interesting to see where it all fits in 2-3 years.
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Theres talk the Eddie Ford has grown 5 cms this year alone.........makes him 189cm
 
ChoppyGun said:
"I''m not sold on the idea that North’s biggest need at this draft was another inside midfielder – let alone two, let alone three"

Well I'm not sold the writer has any idea what they are talking about.

Very good players aren't just inside or outside.

They can be both and that is what we are looking for.

The following paragraph completely says the opposite as acknowledges speed.
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Cunners was a non participant...its time to ease the workload, I'm wrapped its a genuine tweak of the team now. These lads need to learn from him, and Jy/LDU will take their respective next steps its was the right time to inject more mids to the team.
 
 
ozzyoslo said:
Theres talk the Eddie Ford has grown 5 cms this year alone.........makes him 189cm
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If he can grow 1-4cm more in the next couple of years he could be a beast in any position he plays.
Looking at a real forward threat here that likes to kick goals or a intercept defender like others have mentioned.
So happy North picked him up.
 
Rad Roo said:
If cunnington is still the lynchpin then we won't go anywhere fast.
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Tough on Cunners unless you're referring to his back injury. I don't mind if he's not strong defensively or even slow because he's elite offensively. Don't see the point having 2 way runners who don't hurt you. I loved Stevo but Cunners with his elite bullocking, vision and hands was much more damaging than him. This Club's not had a tougher, more brutal and effective inside midfielder ever.
 

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Reginald0 said:
Nah
Stevo was a beautiful lefty, not sure about the right side, could kick it 60
No one tougher, cunners as tough
As for effective well Stevo was fast
Played for the Big V
Cunners not in the race for that
Stevo had a serious leap too now I think about it
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Happy to disagree on Stevo being fast, having a leap and kicking it 60.
 
Masked Avenger said:
Happy to disagree on Stevo being fast, having a leap and kicking it 60.
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Masked Avenger said:
Tough on Cunners unless you're referring to his back injury. I don't mind if he's not strong defensively or even slow because he's elite offensively. Don't see the point having 2 way runners who don't hurt you. I loved Stevo but Cunners with his elite bullocking, vision and hands was much more damaging than him. This Club's not had a tougher, more brutal and effective inside midfielder ever.
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Bull inside mid-fielders a fairly modern thing. Back in the 60's, 70's you had ruck rover, interchangeable rovers, centreman. You had flowing fleet footed wingman. The rolling maul, stoppage game has produced these players to a large extent l think.
 
Really glad we've moved on from basically relying on 1-2 players in the mids to win games for us (cunners/higgo and kick to brown).
Big jump in talent across the board and it basically just comes down to needing to put games into players while also strengthening our defence into a juggernaut with the development of young/perez or others into decent HBF.

Agree with others that our tall forwards is an issue but maybe we have faith in guys like comben and realise that Xerri needs games otherwise he wont be a fit as goldy replacement in 2-3 years.
As tall forward is such a limited position (teams usually playing 1-2) we don't want to end up in a carlton type position with 4 guys realistically competing for 2 spots and wasting away in the reserves or causing issues with structure on field.
Josh walker helps a lot right now but also our very competent group of young tall 185+cm half/forwards who can make up for the position with mobility and marking power.
Guys like Ford, TT, CT, Zurhaar, Stevo +others are really going to shine in 1-3 years and will be a dominant force in the AFL for years.
Not even talking about our x factor small forwards in Atu and Spicer with Mahoney in there too.
Really hope North is going to be able to create a culture of winning (vs staying for money eg richmond) in the next couple of years because its going to be hard to keep all of these players with the amount of talent we have in the side now.

Just takes time and decent drafting from this point onwards.
Crazy to think we still have so much cap space moving into 2021, cant afford to go massive on contracts though otherwise we'll struggle to cover guys on the jump between 1st-2nd contracts.
 
Masked Avenger said:
Tough on Cunners unless you're referring to his back injury. I don't mind if he's not strong defensively or even slow because he's elite offensively. Don't see the point having 2 way runners who don't hurt you. I loved Stevo but Cunners with his elite bullocking, vision and hands was much more damaging than him. This Club's not had a tougher, more brutal and effective inside midfielder ever.
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Yes, he is perfectly suited to the 2000s and 2010s but moving on from here, his lack of defense will be a liability. He will still be effective on grounds that are slow, wet and small. We unfortunately have Anderson Dumont and him. We only have space for 1 of the 3. Right at this moment, Anderson to keep for me.
 
Rad Roo said:
Yes, he is perfectly suited to the 2000s and 2010s but moving on from here, his lack of defense will be a liability. He will still be effective on grounds that are slow, wet and small. We unfortunately have Anderson Dumont and him. We only have space for 1 of the 3. Right at this moment, Anderson to keep for me.
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Na.
Cunners is a gun.
Can be damaging up forward.
Watch our comeback against the Saints from earlier this year.
Won us the game in the 2nd half. Will win us more with better support.
 
Cunnington is not good as Diesel, but if he had the teammates that Diesel had over his career to take advantage of his work, he would more highly rated.

We all also saw this year what happened as soon as he was not in the middle. Having said that, it was great seeing LDU, Simpkin, etc in at the centre bounces taking charge.

Finally, the thing about a player like Cunnington is that his career can last longer as he has never relied on being athletic (other for his fend off), as long as his desire for the contest remains (here’s hoping). I would love to see 3-4 years of him dishing it off to LDU, Simpkin, Thomas, etc and then drifting down to the goal square to kick a couple of goals a game.
 
Initially I was very disappointed. Only because 2021 draft is filled with elite mids and will be a feature of the top 5 or 6 players. Very happy with Will Phillips.. Eddie Ford and Curtis Taylor in the forward line oozes excitement.. cant wait to watch these guys during pre season
 
DuckYeah said:
Initially I was very disappointed. Only because 2021 draft is filled with elite mids and will be a feature of the top 5 or 6 players. Very happy with Will Phillips.. Eddie Ford and Curtis Taylor in the forward line oozes excitement.. cant wait to watch these guys during pre season
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TT isn't an exciting player for you?
 
joegreen said:
The other thing that annoys me is this residual value some apply to players based on what pick they were drafted at. It's like oh North went Phillips at 3, really he's a 5+ pick so they stretched, and because they stretched the value is less. What a wasted pick. Almost suggesting when he kicks a goal it's only worth 5 points.

Swans and GC got better value with Logan and Hollands and that's great, they used their picks much smarter. Almost suggesting when they kick a goal it's worth 7 points.

It's all BS. But the media will continue this notional associated value defining a players worth based on where they were drafted - as if it actually influences how good a player they are. All that matters is what they do from now on.

Just so long as when Eddie Ford kicks 4 in the 2024 GF and snags a Norm Smith, North gets the credit for being draft geniuses!
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Did you know? We’ve never actually won a a Grand Final before. Hawthorn didn’t show up in ‘75, The Pies should have won in ‘77, * Would have beaten us in ‘96-99 if they had made it, and Carlton played their granny the week before.
 

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