Opinion 2020 Draft picks 1/9/22/23/40/56/66/80 (2021 + Melb 2nd, 4th, Haw 4th)

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KEY DATES

Oct 30 – Nov 6: AFL Free Agency Period
November 4 – 12: AFL Trade Period
November 20: List Lodgment 1
November 27: List Lodgment 2
November 30: AFL Draft Nominations close
w/c December 7: NAB AFL Draft and Rookie Draft (exact date to be confirmed in due course)
Mid-December: Final List Lodgment & TPP estimates​

As God is my witness, finding anything useful on the AFL.com.au site is practically impossible, may whoever designed it burn in hell.

 

[latinoheat]

Is giving up the 22,23 really worth the bulldogs pick?
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no way

 

[1970crow]

Advertiser article suggested that we might use 22 and 23 to get 14. That would be stupid. Given half the pool haven’t played this year taking 2 bites at 22/23 is much more likely to yield a result than 1 pick only 8 players earlier. Would be very disappointed if we did this.

 

[Crow Envy]

Advertiser article suggested that we might use 22 and 23 to get 14. That would be stupid. Given half the pool haven’t played this year taking 2 bites at 22/23 is much more likely to yield a result than 1 pick only 8 players earlier. Would be very disappointed if we did this.

I can’t see it, it’s some clueless journo trying to think of something to write. After Kelly said Shoenberg was picked for a pick in the early 20s, to then trade out 2 of them to get to a pick we should have received for Crouch, we would look like morons, then again, maybe there is truth to it.

 

[Mego Red]

Anyone concerned we have too many picks? 7 with a points value. We need to start consolidating or transferring to next year somehow.

Too many?

I'm worried we're NOT going to make enough change. Looks like only three early picks plus Hately.

Hopefully there's space being kept for the PSD draft and the midseason drafts next year.

 

[Crow Envy]

Too many?

I'm worried we're NOT going to make enough change. Looks like only three early picks plus Hately.

Hopefully there's space being kept for the PSD draft and the midseason drafts next year.

3 early picks? 1,9,23,24.

 

[WeedsMullet84]

Binuk with the #Action, we can only hope!

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[Mego Red]

Advertiser article suggested that we might use 22 and 23 to get 14. That would be stupid. Given half the pool haven’t played this year taking 2 bites at 22/23 is much more likely to yield a result than 1 pick only 8 players earlier. Would be very disappointed if we did this.

Presumably something in the 40s comes back, and we have a plan to commit to the NGAs that needs points.

Might also depend on what other NGA players we think will fall into that area of the draft. McInnes seems certain, but maybe not that many others.

Personally, I maybe agree with you. 22 and 23 still are pretty good picks.

 

[Mego Red]

3 early picks? 1,9,23,24.

Assumes the trade for 14.

That still seems the most likely outcome, but we'll see.

 

[1970crow]

Presumably something in the 40s comes back, and we have a plan to commit to the NGAs that needs points.

Might also depend on what other NGA players we think will fall into that area of the draft. McInnes seems certain, but maybe not that many others.

Personally, I maybe agree with you. 22 and 23 still are pretty good picks.

Reckon it would be worse than marginal in a normal year, miles off it this year. If we need points for a 3rd round match, doesn't the deficit come from that round next year? Not worth dumping what is 2 decent picks this year, especially if they're replaced with 14.

 

[SaltPeter]

Advertiser article suggested that we might use 22 and 23 to get 14. That would be stupid. Given half the pool haven’t played this year taking 2 bites at 22/23 is much more likely to yield a result than 1 pick only 8 players earlier. Would be very disappointed if we did this.

Not only that, 22/23 is worth about 1600 points and pick 14 is worth about 1100. We'd essentially be giving the Dogs 900 points (equivalent of about pick 20)

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Not only that, 22/23 is worth about 1600 points and pick 14 is worth about 1100. We'd essentially be giving the Dogs 900 points (equivalent of about pick 20)

And they will get something for Dunkley if that goes through. The WB just end up getting 2 good picks and points.
I think there are 2 good players there for us if Hamish has done his work well.

 

[SaltPeter]

And they will get something for Dunkley if that goes through. The WB just end up getting 2 good picks and points.

I could understand 22/23 if the Dogs managed to squeeze out 1 of Essendon's top 10 picks for Dunkley. And if Dunkley goes and they chase Treloar you'd have to wonder what he'll cost (I'd imagine it would be dependent on how much of his contract Collingwood finish up paying).

 

[Kezza86]

Did you even watch him in the 2nd half of the season?

Wait until other teams put time in him.

 

[StonesThrow]

I'm still not around the whole bidding and matching thing. Maybe someone can help me out.

So the dogs want to trade back in the draft to get say pick 22 and 23 for pick 14. Is that because they could match pick 1 with just one of those picks? Then use the other on a player? Surely they'd need more than that to match?

 

[Sidthehat]

Is giving up the 22,23 really worth the bulldogs pick?

Maybe not. The picks to Melbourne and 23 might have been enough to pay for JUH compo.

 

[Sidthehat]

Binuk with the #Action, we can only hope!

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Got to say I like Binuk's bantz game.

 

[1990crow]

Got to say I like Binuk's bantz game.

He's mocking journos. Love it.

 

[arsene wenger1]

The Thilthorpe rumours are starting to surface

 

[Crow till I die]

I'm still not around the whole bidding and matching thing. Maybe someone can help me out.

So the dogs want to trade back in the draft to get say pick 22 and 23 for pick 14. Is that because they could match pick 1 with just one of those picks? Then use the other on a player? Surely they'd need more than that to match?

Simply put juh gets a bid at a particular pick. That pick has a point value. The dogs get a 20% discount paying that pick if the bid is inside the first round. Once they use whatever picks they have to match the bid from highest pick backwards any leftover points from the picks used translates into the equivelent pick. Ie if it cost 2000 points to match a bid and they had picks 22 and 23 which were 2500 points for purpose of example. There are 500 leftover points that equate to pick 40 so they lose 22 and 23 in the bid but get back 40. Note these point values are not the actual pick values but just for demonstration

 

[Hodgy]

Presumably something in the 40s comes back, and we have a plan to commit to the NGAs that needs points.

Might also depend on what other NGA players we think will fall into that area of the draft. McInnes seems certain, but maybe not that many others.

Personally, I maybe agree with you. 22 and 23 still are pretty good picks.

Assuming where taking McDonald, then maybe we are really keen to get O’Driscoll, who probably goes between 14 and 22. Two mates from the same team that fill our stated needs.
‘only issue is that we could have kept 33 and still worked with the Saints, so I am assuming BS.

 

[WeedsMullet84]

I'm still not around the whole bidding and matching thing. Maybe someone can help me out.

So the dogs want to trade back in the draft to get say pick 22 and 23 for pick 14. Is that because they could match pick 1 with just one of those picks? Then use the other on a player? Surely they'd need more than that to match?

Hey mate, they could match a bid at Pick 2 if the Crows gave them Pick 22 & 40

They could certainly match a bid if we gave them 22&23, but I think that's paying way overs for us if we're also agreeing not to select JUH with Pick 1

 

[SaltPeter]

I'm still not around the whole bidding and matching thing. Maybe someone can help me out.

So the dogs want to trade back in the draft to get say pick 22 and 23 for pick 14. Is that because they could match pick 1 with just one of those picks? Then use the other on a player? Surely they'd need more than that to match?

Pick 1 is worth 3000 points => then factor in a 20% discount for a NGA player => the Dogs need 2400 points to match a bid at pick 1

Pick 2 is worth 2517 points => the Dogs need 2014 points to match a bid at pick 2

Picks 22/23 are worth 1660 points => pick 14 is worth 1161 points

The Dogs also have picks 41 and 54 => worth 412 and 220 points

Collectively the Dogs current draft hand is worth 1793. They would need take a point deficit of around 200 points into next years draft with their current draft hand if a bid for JUH came at pick 2.


The whole premise around Adelaide trading draft picks to the Dogs is that there is approximately a 400 point saving for them between having to match any bids for JUH between picks 1 and 2.

 

[Johnny Rutten]

As unlikely as it may seem, I'd rather see us put time into trying to upgrade our pick 9 into the top-5, rather than swapping 22/23 for 14/54, or whatever. Pick 9 + R2 2021 for Gold Coast's 5?? Or, something like that. Getting two of Thilthorpe/McDonald/Hollands/Grainger-Barras/Phillips should be our masterplan.

 

[Thetrader15]

Hey mate, they could match a bid at Pick 2 if the Crows gave them Pick 22 & 40

They could certainly match a bid if we gave them 22&23, but I think that's paying way overs for us if we're also agreeing not to select JUH with Pick 1

Thing is we can't trade 40 if it's reserved for Hately.

 

[Pick4To6]

The Thilthorpe rumours are starting to surface

What rumors would those be?

I have not heard anything.