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WeedsMullet84 said:
Totally agree with this, although I don’t think you’d be expecting much back from GC in a swap of Pick 5 for 9 and our 2021 2nd

To me GC seem like the only viable option, as I think Essendon are likely to deal with North for Pick 2, and Sydney & Hawks seem committed to taking players, and it’s really only that top 5/6 you want to get into.

If the right player doesn’t slip through to that Pick 5, then we don’t bother making a play for it, and even if it doesn’t happen it’s not a big deal, our picks are well placed to get some quality players.

I’m not even sure I’d want to give up to much to get a 1st from the Pies, happy with where both our 2nd rounders sit


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If we trade our 2x seconds for a first round, e.g. pick 8 (Essendon) or a Collingwood pick (14), then pairing that pick with 9 would be attractive for Hawks IMO

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LoBu said:
If we trade our 2x seconds for a first round, e.g. pick 8 (Essendon) or a Collingwood pick (14), then pairing that pick with 9 would be attractive for Hawks IMO

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waste of time..Essendon will be all over it you'd think if a trade up into the top 5 is possible and our pick 9 and another mid to late 1st is not as good as a combination of their picks 6, 7 & 8. Of course you would want to be prepared but it might be like bringing a knife to a gun fight so to speak
 

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Dangerousfield said:
Just like we've brought home all those other top SA draft picks over the years, why there's, there's, ummm
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Jackson Hately*

















*barring unforeseen circumstances
 
Brenton Davy said:
Jackson Hately*

















*barring unforeseen circumstances
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"top" SA draft picks ...not guys late in the first round.

Top 10's since 2005 - Bryce Gibbs, Jackson Trengove*, Sam Day, Jared Polec*, Dan Gorringe, Jimmy Toumpas*, Sam Mayes*, Matt Scharenberg, James Aish, Aaron Francis, Luko, Rankine, Dylan Stephens.

*And of those 4 did come back to SA, but not to Adelaide of course.

1 eventually did and yeah...you know?!
 
Hodgy said:
What you say makes perfect sense if we were building a list from scratch, but we’re not. We have at least 12 players who have the potential to be real stars, or already are real stars. Laird, Brown, Doedee, Smith, Milera and O’Brian are a great core to build around, while Macadam, McPherson, Schoenberg, Himmelberg, McAsey and Scholl all have 200 game careers ahead of them. If we take 5 years to do a rebuild then half of them will be gone, which makes no sense.

Terry Wallace was the first person to say it would take 5 years to rebuild Richmond when he got there, and it always seemed to me he was just giving the players (and himself) an excuse to fail for 4 years. Our Key forwards of the future are Fog (1st rounder), Himmelberg and probably McAsey or Worrell, which isn’t a bad list at all, and we can always look at free agency if needed, but we need to get an engine room now.

I don’t want to wait 2 years to see us back in finals contention, let alone 4 or 5. We are not some perpetual underachieving Victorian or expansion side, we are one of the biggest and most succesful sporting clubs in Australia, and we should have ambitions like it.
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We are effectively rebuilding our list from scratch, after all, there is a price to be paid for prematurely, and accidentally, blowing up a core that was capable of being a top 4 side (and maybe more, though losing Dangerfield really put us on the backfoot there) for a few seasons yet. Remember, we did not plan to be in a rebuild in 2020/2021 which is going to add further complications in blowing the list up (and hence we've seen stuff like us paying salary to get rid of people, trading mid-career players out for chump change etc). The good news is yes, we have a few young players who have flashed potential they could be stars, however, every rebuilding club can say that (even North, as much as you could tell me they listed the first 40 people they ran into at the local bus stop, and I'd believe you). It's also a long and treacherous road from flashing signs that they could be a star to actually making it.

One of the major issues though is our core players. It's a poor to very poor group at the moment. Laird has only spent half a season in the midfield (otherwise he's at half back which is very problematic for a rebuilding side as half back is a prime developing position). Matt Crouch (forgetting Crouch, tsk tsk) is probably our main man at the moment, which yes, problematic is a good word for it. He's a Thommo clone and if these players end up as your best midfielder, you're in for a world of hurt until someone overtakes them. Doedee and Brown are role players and including them in the core of a side is indicative of a serious lack of talent. Smith is also another problematic piece as he takes a development position and is flaky. Milera is in no mans land at the moment, seeing he's been barely settled in a position and is coming off a foot injury. O'Brien is a good piece though. We're not far from losing Talia, we need to prepare for Sloane being finished (because he certainly looked like it in 2020), Tex is done, who were the players this side were built around.

For us to start pushing finals, we are waiting on our current crop of kids, and the people we draft in the next two drafts to establish themselves as key players. That's going to take 3-4 years (and subsequently, it's going to take 3-4 years before we're ready for finals) because most of them aren't close to being ready for that responsibility. Most of them might only start being ready for that in 2-3 years when they're 22-23. Some of those core players will go by then (Laird, Matt Crouch, Smith are all likely to be gone or winding down), but that's fine. Their job is to get us through this period unscathed.

Key forward wise. It's pretty mediocre. Himmelberg looks like a player. Fogarty has two issues, in that he's not fit enough and we have no idea what we're going to do with him once he's fit enough, though I highly doubt Fog will be a key forward once all is said and done. Looks like a third tall/mid rotation. McAsey probably isn't in the conversation (he's a defender), Worrell is a complete unknown. It definitely needs an elite talent in that group to round it off. The argument of "look at free agency" is asinine as well seeing you cannot plan on free agents being available at the right time, or if you can attract them.

Ambitions are great, but we also need a level of pragmatism to how we set goals. Otherwise, it just becomes a wasted effort. That said, Adelaide is not even in the conversation for the most successful sporting clubs in Australia (22 years since we won a premiership which is the only measure for success). Certainly up there with size though.
 
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Golumless said:
We are effectively rebuilding our list from scratch, after all, there is a price to be paid for prematurely, and accidentally, blowing up a core that was capable of being a top 4 side (and maybe more, though losing Dangerfield really put us on the backfoot there) for a few seasons yet. Remember, we did not plan to be in a rebuild in 2020/2021 which is going to add further complications in blowing the list up (and hence we've seen stuff like us paying salary to get rid of people, trading mid-career players out for chump change etc). The good news is yes, we have a few young players who have flashed potential they could be stars, however, every rebuilding club can say that (even North, as much as you could tell me they listed the first 40 people they ran into at the local bus stop, and I'd believe you). It's also a long and treacherous road from flashing signs that they could be a star to actually making it.

One of the major issues though is our core players. It's a poor to very poor group at the moment. Laird has only spent half a season in the midfield (otherwise he's at half back which is very problematic for a rebuilding side as half back is a prime developing position). Matt Crouch (forgetting Crouch, tsk tsk) is probably our main man at the moment, which yes, problematic is a good word for it. He's a Thommo clone and if these players end up as your best midfielder, you're in for a world of hurt until someone overtakes them. Doedee and Brown are role players and including them in the core of a side is indicative of a serious lack of talent. Smith is also another problematic piece as he takes a development position and is flaky. Milera is in no mans land at the moment, seeing he's been barely settled in a position and is coming off a foot injury. O'Brien is a good piece though. We're not far from losing Talia, we need to prepare for Sloane being finished (because he certainly looked like it in 2020), Tex is done, who were the players this side were built around.

For us to start pushing finals, we are waiting on our current crop of kids, and the people we draft in the next two drafts to establish themselves as key players. That's going to take 3-4 years (and subsequently, it's going to take 3-4 years before we're ready for finals) because most of them aren't close to being ready for that responsibility. Most of them might only start being ready for that in 2-3 years when they're 22-23. Some of those core players will go by then (Laird, Matt Crouch, Smith are all likely to be gone or winding down), but that's fine. Their job is to get us through this period unscathed.

Key forward wise. It's pretty mediocre. Himmelberg looks like a player. Fogarty has two issues, in that he's not fit enough and we have no idea what we're going to do with him once he's fit enough, though I highly doubt Fog will be a key forward once all is said and done. Looks like a third tall/mid rotation. McAsey probably isn't in the conversation (he's a defender), Worrell is a complete unknown. It definitely needs an elite talent in that group to round it off. The argument of "look at free agency" is asinine as well seeing you cannot plan on free agents being available at the right time, or if you can attract them.

Ambitions are great, but we also need a level of pragmatism to how we set goals. Otherwise, it just becomes a wasted effort. That said, Adelaide is not even in the conversation for the most successful sporting clubs in Australia (22 years since we won a premiership which is the only measure for success). Certainly up there with size though.
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This is exactly why we will come bottom next year ( or 17th at best)

young guys aren’t going to suddenly carry the side consistently from week to week , they need games into them to get consistent

I’m shocked Re how many people think we will just carry on our late season form and forge up ladder
 
Blight just asked Reid: Do coaches ever come over the top and decide who the club takes on draft day?

Reid: No, no, not at all. We have discussions with the coaches but the club has been really good with this. Hamish always has the final call.

Repeated it about 5 times and finished with "Hamish certainly has the final call".

So I think we can put this nonsense about "Pyke picked Galluci" etc. to bed.

Hamish makes the calls.

Which sucks a little as Hamish has a poor record with mids.

We might find ourselves stacked with talls at both ends and a crap midfield that can neither supply the forwards nor shield the defenders.
 
Has anyone listened to the latest Road To The Draft podcast?

Kinnear Beatson made a couple of interesting comments around the bidding process.

- He said they will bid on JUH if he is there at 3
- Made a point to say he 'would have the decency to call Sam Power and let him know beforehand'
- Mentioned that there are fake bids that get put on.
- He said North Melbourne and Adelaide are both open to trading their first picks
- Expects Campbell bid in the first 10-12
- Thinks current bidding system can be subject to fake bidding, to force clubs to match a bid


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mattymac said:
Blight just asked Reid: Do coaches ever come over the top and decide who the club takes on draft day?

Reid: No, no, not at all. We have discussions with the coaches but the club has been really good with this. Hamish always has the final call.

Repeated it about 5 times and finished with "Hamish certainly has the final call".

So I think we can put this nonsense about "Pyke picked Galluci" etc. to bed.

Hamish makes the calls.

Which sucks a little as Hamish has a poor record with mids.

We might find ourselves stacked with talls at both ends and a crap midfield that can neither supply the forwards nor shield the defenders.
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Was Reid around then?
 
Clayton Lamb said:
I have a feeling Port will be in constant contact with him for two years, if Adelaide doesn't chose him. They will be looking for a replacement 200 cm plus forward (a rare commodity) for Charlie Dixon who will be 32/33 in two years time. Thilthorpe has trained with the Port Adelaide Squad, and you can see the line Port would use - they had a chance to pick you but didn't, we have always wanted you!

Agree with you on Hollands.
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I think Port will go after the boys from GC. Crows just need to plan for 2 years time.
 

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mattymac said:
Blight just asked Reid: Do coaches ever come over the top and decide who the club takes on draft day?

Reid: No, no, not at all. We have discussions with the coaches but the club has been really good with this. Hamish always has the final call.

Repeated it about 5 times and finished with "Hamish certainly has the final call".

So I think we can put this nonsense about "Pyke picked Galluci" etc. to bed.

Hamish makes the calls.

Which sucks a little as Hamish has a poor record with mids.

We might find ourselves stacked with talls at both ends and a crap midfield that can neither supply the forwards nor shield the defenders.
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Phil Bunn suggesting that Pyke at the very least overruled the decision to pursue Tim English (see audio from ~10:30 to 12:30).

Not sure about the actual selection of Gallucci.
 
mickfaxis said:
"top" SA draft picks ...not guys late in the first round.

Top 10's since 2005 - Bryce Gibbs, Jackson Trengove*, Sam Day, Jared Polec*, Dan Gorringe, Jimmy Toumpas*, Sam Mayes*, Matt Scharenberg, James Aish, Aaron Francis, Luko, Rankine, Dylan Stephens.

*And of those 4 did come back to SA, but not to Adelaide of course.

1 eventually did and yeah...you know?!
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I'd be taking Hately over all of those bar the last 3.
 
mattymac said:
Blight just asked Reid: Do coaches ever come over the top and decide who the club takes on draft day?

Reid: No, no, not at all. We have discussions with the coaches but the club has been really good with this. Hamish always has the final call.

Repeated it about 5 times and finished with "Hamish certainly has the final call".

So I think we can put this nonsense about "Pyke picked Galluci" etc. to bed.

Hamish makes the calls.

Which sucks a little as Hamish has a poor record with mids.

We might find ourselves stacked with talls at both ends and a crap midfield that can neither supply the forwards nor shield the defenders.
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The club has never lied. Yeah, right.
 
mickfaxis said:
"top" SA draft picks ...not guys late in the first round.

Top 10's since 2005 - Bryce Gibbs, Jackson Trengove*, Sam Day, Jared Polec*, Dan Gorringe, Jimmy Toumpas*, Sam Mayes*, Matt Scharenberg, James Aish, Aaron Francis, Luko, Rankine, Dylan Stephens.

*And of those 4 did come back to SA, but not to Adelaide of course.

1 eventually did and yeah...you know?!
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Those players, outside the last 3, were not worth getting back. And it was Jack, not Jackson Trengove.
 
Peter Doherty said:
Has anyone listened to the latest Road To The Draft podcast?

Kinnear Beatson made a couple of interesting comments around the bidding process.

- He said they will bid on JUH if he is there at 3
- Made a point to say he 'would have the decency to call Sam Power and let him know beforehand'
- Mentioned that there are fake bids that get put on.
- He said North Melbourne and Adelaide are both open to trading their first picks
- Expects Campbell bid in the first 10-12
- Thinks current bidding system can be subject to fake bidding, to force clubs to match a bid


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He also said he wouldn't expect a club to call him to say they were bidding on Campbell.

His other strange one was a proposal re matching bids. Said clubs put lots of investment into NGAs, so if you don't think the player is worth where they are bid, then you don't match but get the next puck.

WTF!

If he is worried about 'fake bids', don't match. A club won't bid again if theybget stuck with a player they don't actually value at that point.
 
mattymac said:
Blight just asked Reid: Do coaches ever come over the top and decide who the club takes on draft day?

Reid: No, no, not at all. We have discussions with the coaches but the club has been really good with this. Hamish always has the final call.

Repeated it about 5 times and finished with "Hamish certainly has the final call".

So I think we can put this nonsense about "Pyke picked Galluci" etc. to bed.

Hamish makes the calls.

Which sucks a little as Hamish has a poor record with mids.

We might find ourselves stacked with talls at both ends and a crap midfield that can neither supply the forwards nor shield the defenders.
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Reckon he might be talking about their protocols since 2016.
 
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Phil Bunn suggesting that Pyke at the very least overruled the decision to pursue Tim English (see audio from ~10:30 to 12:30).

Not sure about the actual selection of Gallucci.
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I think both statements are true.

Hamish clearly has the authority to make the final call.

Phil in his interview led with a description of Mark Williams who he makes it sound like he's very opinionated and strong in his opinion. He then contrasted by describing Pyke who he gives a lot of credit for in how he went about the discussion. It sounds like it was a collaborative discussion rather than a mark Williams like conversation. It sounds like in the end after Pyke made his case they bought what Pyke was selling.

So I'm effect Hamish took on what Pyke was saying and went with that direction. If he wanted to, he could have absolutely said no, I still think Tim English, but he chose not to.
 
MarcusP2 said:
Those players, outside the last 3, were not worth getting back. And it was Jack, not Jackson Trengove.
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I agree, but I also remember at the time of the draft how much and how highly they were mostly rated.
 
Vader said:
Why are you surprised?

It's been obvious for a while now that we weren't going to take all of the NGA & F/S kids in the ND, and may not even take some of them at all. I won't be surprised if Borlase is the only one who ends up on an AFC list next year. Just because we can take them, doesn't mean that we should or will.

Adelaide has gone 2 players short on the senior list for years now, mainly for salary cap reasons. The mid-season drafts and the pre-season supplemental selection period both provide additional incentives for not having full senior lists.
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We shouldn't have salary cap issues with such a young list & should be maximising our list.
 
BunjiMac said:
I think both statements are true.

Hamish clearly has the authority to make the final call.

Phil in his interview led with a description of Mark Williams who he makes it sound like he's very opinionated and strong in his opinion. He then contrasted by describing Pyke who he gives a lot of credit for in how he went about the discussion. It sounds like it was a collaborative discussion rather than a mark Williams like conversation. It sounds like in the end after Pyke made his case they bought what Pyke was selling.

So I'm effect Hamish took on what Pyke was saying and went with that direction. If he wanted to, he could have absolutely said no, I still think Tim English, but he chose not to.
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Yeah makes sense to me.
 
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