Opinion 2020 Draft picks 1/9/22/23/40/56/66/80 (2021 + Melb 2nd, 4th, Haw 4th)

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[1990crow]

You think there is a club conspiracy to protect Pyke by outing Hamish?

Haha some of these bigfooty myths really die hard.

This doesn't protect Pyke. It protects the club. Speaks to the unprofessionalism of letting the coach make the call. Ie how did the organisation let that happen?

 

[Thetrader15]

I agree, but I also remember at the time of the draft how much and how highly they were mostly rated.

Noting we didn't have a pick before any of these guys, here's who we picked with our next pick:

2006 - Gibbs -> Sellar, 14
2009 - Trengove -> Talia, 13
2010 - Gorringe, Day, Polec-> Brodie Smith

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Brodie Smith

Age

32

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.5

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.2

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

500.1

5star

D

17.1

4star

K

12.6

5star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.5

3star

T

2.3

3star

MG

438.9

5star

D

17.2

5star

K

10.8

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.6

5star

, 14
2012 - Toumpas, Mayes -> Siggins, 61 (followed by Atkins, 81)
2013 - Scharenberg, Aish -> M Crouch, 23
2015 - Aaron Francis -> Milera, 11 (Doedee 17)
2018 - Luko, Rankine -> Jones, 9
2019 - Stephens, McAsey, 6

I think we've done pretty well and dodged a few bullets not picking local lads.

 

[hey shorty]

Blight just asked Reid: Do coaches ever come over the top and decide who the club takes on draft day?

Reid: No, no, not at all. We have discussions with the coaches but the club has been really good with this. Hamish always has the final call.

Repeated it about 5 times and finished with "Hamish certainly has the final call".

So I think we can put this nonsense about "Pyke picked Galluci" etc. to bed.

Hamish makes the calls.

Which sucks a little as Hamish has a poor record with mids.

We might find ourselves stacked with talls at both ends and a crap midfield that can neither supply the forwards nor shield the defenders.

And you believe what Reid said ?? I certainly don't.

 

[Hodgy]

We are effectively rebuilding our list from scratch, after all, there is a price to be paid for prematurely, and accidentally, blowing up a core that was capable of being a top 4 side (and maybe more, though losing Dangerfield really put us on the backfoot there) for a few seasons yet. Remember, we did not plan to be in a rebuild in 2020/2021 which is going to add further complications in blowing the list up (and hence we've seen stuff like us paying salary to get rid of people, trading mid-career players out for chump change etc). The good news is yes, we have a few young players who have flashed potential they could be stars, however, every rebuilding club can say that (even North, as much as you could tell me they listed the first 40 people they ran into at the local bus stop, and I'd believe you). It's also a long and treacherous road from flashing signs that they could be a star to actually making it.

One of the major issues though is our core players. It's a poor to very poor group at the moment. Laird has only spent half a season in the midfield (otherwise he's at half back which is very problematic for a rebuilding side as half back is a prime developing position). Matt Crouch

5

Matt Crouch

Age

29

Ht

183cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

28.4

5star

K

12.0

4star

HB

16.4

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.8

5star

D

24.9

5star

K

9.7

4star

HB

15.1

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

3star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

10.8

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

CL

2.0

4star

(forgetting Crouch, tsk tsk) is probably our main man at the moment, which yes, problematic is a good word for it. He's a Thommo clone and if these players end up as your best midfielder, you're in for a world of hurt until someone overtakes them. Doedee and Brown are role players and including them in the core of a side is indicative of a serious lack of talent. Smith is also another problematic piece as he takes a development position and is flaky. Milera is in no mans land at the moment, seeing he's been barely settled in a position and is coming off a foot injury. O'Brien is a good piece though. We're not far from losing Talia, we need to prepare for Sloane being finished (because he certainly looked like it in 2020), Tex is done, who were the players this side were built around.

For us to start pushing finals, we are waiting on our current crop of kids, and the people we draft in the next two drafts to establish themselves as key players. That's going to take 3-4 years (and subsequently, it's going to take 3-4 years before we're ready for finals) because most of them aren't close to being ready for that responsibility. Most of them might only start being ready for that in 2-3 years when they're 22-23. Some of those core players will go by then (Laird, Matt Crouch

5

Matt Crouch

Age

29

Ht

183cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

28.4

5star

K

12.0

4star

HB

16.4

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.8

5star

D

24.9

5star

K

9.7

4star

HB

15.1

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

3star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

10.8

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

CL

2.0

4star

, Smith are all likely to be gone or winding down), but that's fine. Their job is to get us through this period unscathed.

Key forward wise. It's pretty mediocre. Himmelberg looks like a player. Fogarty has two issues, in that he's not fit enough and we have no idea what we're going to do with him once he's fit enough, though I highly doubt Fog will be a key forward once all is said and done. Looks like a third tall/mid rotation. McAsey probably isn't in the conversation (he's a defender), Worrell is a complete unknown. It definitely needs an elite talent in that group to round it off. The argument of "look at free agency" is asinine as well seeing you cannot plan on free agents being available at the right time, or if you can attract them.

Ambitions are great, but we also need a level of pragmatism to how we set goals. Otherwise, it just becomes a wasted effort. That said, Adelaide is not even in the conversation for the most successful sporting clubs in Australia (22 years since we won a premiership which is the only measure for success). Certainly up there with size though.

I’m sorry but I don’t think there is anything you have said here that I can agree with (including that I forgot Matt Crouch

5

Matt Crouch

Age

29

Ht

183cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

28.4

5star

K

12.0

4star

HB

16.4

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.8

5star

D

24.9

5star

K

9.7

4star

HB

15.1

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

3star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

10.8

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

CL

2.0

4star

btw)
I think you are massively underestimating most of our players, and falling for the classic Australian glass half empty excuse for underachievement that AFL coaches and supporters continually perpetuate. Any AFL list can compete if well coached and harbor belief, and ours is better and younger than most.

If we recruit well this year then we can absolutely push close to finals next year and be in contention the year after. GC won nearly every game that Rowell played in this year.

 

[mattymac]

And you believe what Reid said ?? I certainly don't.

You're a funny one sometimes. 90% of the time you'll back in whatever they say. Or certainly give them the benefit of the doubt.

But if it doesn't fit with something you've decided on, like Hamish's infallibility, the club is certainly untrustworthy haha

 

[hey shorty]

This is exactly why we will come bottom next year ( or 17th at best)

young guys aren’t going to suddenly carry the side consistently from week to week , they need games into them to get consistent

I’m shocked Re how many people think we will just carry on our late season form and forge up ladder

I wouldn't say forge, but I expect steep improvement from a number of players plus an actual AFL coaching panel.

Makes a huge difference

 

[hey shorty]

You're a funny one sometimes. 90% of the time you'll back in whatever they say. Or certainly give them the benefit of the doubt.

But if it doesn't fit with something you've decided on, like Hamish's infallibility, the club is certainly untrustworthy haha

Actually that isn't correct, particularly when it comes to JR. I don't particularly think much of anything he, or a number of others around the club have to say.

But keep fighting that battle.

 

[FAITH]

You're a funny one sometimes. 90% of the time you'll back in whatever they say. Or certainly give them the benefit of the doubt.

But if it doesn't fit with something you've decided on, like Hamish's infallibility, the club is certainly untrustworthy haha

That sounds childish

 

[Crow Envy]

I wouldn't say forge, but I expect steep improvement from a number of players plus an actual AFL coaching panel.

Makes a huge difference

Without stating the obvious where we finish is also reliant on those teams who finished around us.

North will be shit, but in a shortened season we finished 2 wins plus percentage behind Sydney in 16th. I can’t see Sydney getting any worse.

Hawks may struggle again.

Gold Coast get Rowell back and with continued improvement of their kids will improve slightly. Then there’s Essendon, who knows with them but they were 3.5 wins ahead of us.

We will improve, play some better football at times and push some teams. But we lack experience and depth, our kids form will fluctuate and senior guys get older.

We are bottom 4 without a doubt, bottom 2 a lock if we have a bad run with injuries.

 

[CROUCH #2]

Mutineer might rewatch this game


Got any others we can rewatch?

Thilthorpe looks lazy and alot like Jenkins. Phillips & Campbell look good and also McInnis

 

[hey shorty]

Without stating the obvious where we finish is also reliant on those teams who finished around us.

North will be sh*t, but in a shortened season we finished 2 wins plus percentage behind Sydney in 16th. I can’t see Sydney getting any worse.

Hawks may struggle again.

Gold Coast get Rowell back and with continued improvement of their kids will improve slightly. Then there’s Essendon, who knows with them but they were 3.5 wins ahead of us.

We will improve, play some better football at times and push some teams. But we lack experience and depth, our kids form will fluctuate and senior guys get older.

We are bottom 4 without a doubt, bottom 2 a lock if we have a bad run with injuries.

I reckon bottom 4 is very likely unless something remarkable happens.

 

[hey shorty]

Thilthorpe looks lazy and alot like Jenkins. Phillips & Campbell look good and also McInnis

Not much in common with Riley and JJ other than the position they play on the field

 

[hey shorty]

That sounds childish

You'd know

 

[Crow Envy]

Thilthorpe looks lazy and alot like Jenkins. Phillips & Campbell look good and also McInnis

I think you should stick to “anyone else hearing.......”

 

[LoBu]

waste of time..Essendon will be all over it you'd think if a trade up into the top 5 is possible and our pick 9 and another mid to late 1st is not as good as a combination of their picks 6, 7 & 8. Of course you would want to be prepared but it might be like bringing a knife to a gun fight so to speak

Essendon would be crazy to trade two of theirs for pick 4, incredible waste of assets. Hawks would be all over that because it's too good to be true

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[jackster83]

And you believe what Reid said ?? I certainly don't.

How long until he blames Hamish for the Gibbs trade?

 

[hey shorty]

How long until he blames Hamish for the Gibbs trade?

When he resigns.

 

[Brett Cummings]

when was the last time a key forward was picked at 1 and didnt flop? seems like a huge risk.

 

[crowholder]

The more I think about it, it would be so much easier if we got pick 2 for Brouch. Hopefully Hamish and the crew come up with a good compromise

 

[Brett Cummings]

The more I think about it, it would be so much easier if we got pick 2 for Brouch. Hopefully Hamish and the crew come up with a good compromise

you know reid. he'll do nothing.

 

[hey shorty]

when was the last time a key forward was picked at 1 and didnt flop? seems like a huge risk.

True.

But a number of them have become the best and most important players in their draft years. Also, it remains to be seen what a year off will do for the Vic kids.

IMO McDonald is the safest bet.

 

[Chase13]

If we trade our 2x seconds for a first round, e.g. pick 8 (Essendon) or a Collingwood pick (14), then pairing that pick with 9 would be attractive for Hawks IMO

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The only deal we could do is with hawthorn.

gold coast at 5 want move up and don’t want more picks
sydney, NM, untouchable, Essendon defeat purpose for fab 5, unless tilthorpe slid past 5, doubtful.

so its hawthorn

pick 9 and 23 plus a swap of future firsts for 4, only option if tilthorpe still there at 4 after Sydney and NM pick.

I think he would still be on board at 4, as I think if we take Hollands, NM take LM, Sydney take Phillips I think.

Do we think hawthorn do that and is it too much? I would seriously consider that.

 

[CROUCH #2]

I think you should stick to “anyone else hearing.......”

What level have you played at? All I'm stating is he was lumbering at 2nd contest in this video.

As a key defender you'll only worry about beating him 1&1 and smashing it from the contest.

The guy can play but looks like he needs a fair amount of work by the video...

 

[hey shorty]

What level have you played at? All I'm stating is he was lumbering at 2nd contest in this video.

As a key defender you'll only worry about beating him 1&1 and smashing it from the contest.

The guy can play but looks like he needs a fair amount of work by the video...

The last thing he is, is lumbering

 

[Chase13]

The last thing he is, is lumbering

Tilthorpe is going to be a monster in a few year. Quick, agile, good below knees, great contested mark. How do you come up with lumbering, have you watched him play, anything but lumbering. Gonna be a weapon, and happy take him at 1, but may slide a bit, so take Hollands first then grab him at pick 4 using the trade scenario I mentioned a few posts back.

get Holland and tilthorpe. Draft done !