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Analysis 2020 List, Game Plan and Best 22?
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I have not given up on Melican. I have given up on Reid though.
You are correct about McLean being in as a second ruck who can rest forward. He'd offer more than Reid IMO.
It's likely our pick 5 would probably get an early look-in (unless we go Kemp) but I personally hope we hold off on that. What this team needs is to get more games pumped into them so we can fast-track their development. Bringing in another 18 year old, even if it's a talented one like Serong, would just be another teenager in the line-up which is what I hope we actively avoid next year.
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I expect at least a couple of the kids we pick up will be good to go. I am not as fussed about bringing in yet more youth. Blakey and Rowbottom were both solid contributors and the inexperienced Dawson was a revelation, even by expectations for him.
I want blokes with evident footy smarts. Melican was unfortunately our worst player gifted games. I see no upside and would have cut him if not on contract.
McLean is adaptable and I really do not want a fwd ruck. We have enough talls up forward already.
Reid played his role this year and showed his own versatility. By the end of 2020 he will be the third tall behind Buddy and McCartin who I expect to come on in leaps and bounds.
I want blokes with evident footy smarts. Melican was unfortunately our worst player gifted games. I see no upside and would have cut him if not on contract.
McLean is adaptable and I really do not want a fwd ruck. We have enough talls up forward already.
Reid played his role this year and showed his own versatility. By the end of 2020 he will be the third tall behind Buddy and McCartin who I expect to come on in leaps and bounds.
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Has there been any word on player re-signings?
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You think Naismith is good enough and/or able to stay fit enough to ruck solo? I give it only a slim chance. McLean being in, even if as a midget as WW would say, at least gives Naismith some relief and his best chance of not breaking down. Meanwhile McLean can go forward and play the 'third tall' role you have assigned to Reid. At least that's how I'd like it.
As for the youth, you use Blakey and Rowbottom as examples of solid contributors. IMO they have gun written all over them but we judged them as 18 year olds, so their highlights are fresh in our memories, but we forget how often they went missing. There were times where I forgot both of them were even playing. Further more other slightly more developed but still young players like Dawson, Florent, Hayward, O'Riordan etc also couldn't perform consistently. That's why we had so many lapses where despite our efforts and being close in matches, our opponents would kick away. It's just what happens with young/inexperienced players. We could lose even more matches next year if we go down that path again. Won't hurt a top draftee to spend some solid time in the NEAFL.
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Wonder where Taylor will play
Make or break year for Ronke imo
Make or break year for Ronke imo
Agree.. Reid went missing a few games, but showed up to many more. He is versatile - 2018 he played a lot as a spare in defence, and this year he played well as a forward/2nd ruck.
And yep McCartin is still only 19! he put on 8kg by the beginning of the 2019 season and Id expect a few more this season - very strong bugger.. He improved a lot in 2019 and now a year older, stronger and wiser, Im hoping for a big impact
It'll be interesting how the Swans fit McClean and McCartin in over the next few years??
Agree 100%. Sinkers' marking has improved significantly and he would be a good challenge for a KPD2.
The issue the becomes do we play a third tall in attack ie from Reid, McCartin, Dawson or McLean?
Personally I would play Reid swinging between CHF and CHB with McCartin as the KPD2 with Aliir. Allow Rampe to play on third tall and organiser.
Dawson on a wing and McLean mostly in the 2s but a handy backup.
No doubt a fan favourite or two will miss out.
Seems like Ronke has lost all confidence. His NEAFL form was only OK. Others were better. E.g. Wicks.
Yep.. make or break for Ronke. He started to come good in the last 4 or 5 games. Im tipping he plays alot next year and kicks 30+ goals.
I can see Paps playing more minutes in the midfield. He'd be giving JPK and Parker a break as well as our young mids in Rowbottom (possibly Bell) and our new drafted mids (p5 + p25). He was good there last year when given the opportunity, and a small forward / inside mid is more valuable when traded than a simple small forward
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I don’t get the knocks on Bell.
Year 1 he was this smooth moving outside mid/forward with silky skills but didn’t get enough of it.
Year 2 he clearly bulked right up and played more inside. He consistently won more of the ball and eventually won senior selection, where he far from disgraced himself. I’d suggest he’d have been selected earlier but for that monstrous spear tackle he copped.
Now sure, he needs to improve again to stay on the list but that’s the nature of young footballers. They all have to. I’d back this kid to be close to best 22 by season’s end.
Year 1 he was this smooth moving outside mid/forward with silky skills but didn’t get enough of it.
Year 2 he clearly bulked right up and played more inside. He consistently won more of the ball and eventually won senior selection, where he far from disgraced himself. I’d suggest he’d have been selected earlier but for that monstrous spear tackle he copped.
Now sure, he needs to improve again to stay on the list but that’s the nature of young footballers. They all have to. I’d back this kid to be close to best 22 by season’s end.
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The problem with List Management 101 as you’ve presented it is that it doesn’t account for roles.
Your best 26 only has 2 ruckmen. So immediately McLean slots in.
I would have Ronke and Menzel out of that senior group.
Ronke is contracted but was diabolical. He has a season to get back in but right now I wouldn’t have him. Menzel isn’t good enough as an attacking forward to justify his defensive deficiencies.
Back to 25.
My 3 come from Bell, Foot, Ling, McInerney, and Wicks.
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If Naismith, Sinclair, Franklin, Reid and McCartin stay fit, it is hard to see McLean getting much game time. Of course, I'm certainly not willing to put money on all of that group staying fit...
Ronke's end to the year wasn't that bad. It was certainly way better than his start and middle. He looked more like the ultra active chaser and tackler from 2018 and was more dangerous in front of goal. I just hope he works really hard this pre-season to come back in great shape to start the year harassing and tackling in the same way.
Menzel is good depth at worst I think. If he has a full pre-season, he's going to be useful.
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Ronke didn't have a pre-season which I think means a lot these days. He was probably underdone for the first few games of the year also - using his pace a bit too much, not very effectively and burning himself out.
He stuck at it and had a pretty good end of the year considering he is a confidence player. If anything his game sense improved so he was more effective in using his pace to chase someone down, spread into space for a link up, or get on the end and snag a couple.
In the final game, although some of his disposals were a bit wonke, he had at least 5 goal assists from memory and I thought he played pretty well. Shows what can happen when he plays to the structures and picks and chooses when to "go", rather than burning himself out and going missing for large patches.
I guess it comes down to the 5 year plan, the plan for our next finals challenge. Both talent and age come into consideration
If Naismith is fit, I see only one spot for Reid or Sinkers. Sinkers has the ability to play ruck, but Reid has the ability to pinch hit in the ruck. Reid is (imo) a better forward and has more versatility to play up the ground. Dont get me wrong, I love Sinkers and his work ethic.
McCartin is clearly a player for now and the future so he will get game time (forward or back) and if McClean can show that the way he played in his few senior games was no fluke, the Swans will be super keen to give him more games in 2020.
So.. I reckon Sinkers opportunity will only come if injury to Naismith, and possibly Reid
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I am just not sure about Bell. I just don’t know whether he has strong enough attributes to become an AFL player, particularly a midfielder. As an inside player he doesn’t appear to be strong enough to be able to muscle a contest and win the ball (and I’m not sure he ever will be). As an outside player I feel his pace is a bit overrated (he isn’t slow but he seems a bit one paced) and his kicking isn’t damaging enough to make up for it (his kicking is pretty average).
He may be able to turn himself into a small defender or something like that, but I am not sold he will be a midfielder at this level.
His improved performance in the NEAFL came on the back of getting more time in the middle (rather than wing or flank) due to unavailability of other players who were injured or were selected for senior football. When he wasn’t his output was similar to prior years.
In terms of being best 22 by the end of the year, it will be a challenge... this year alone Rowbottom went straight past him in his first year, as did Blakey (fair enough). McInerney isn’t that far off him and even Foot could go past him next year. Bring in another couple of draftees who could also go past him and I think best 22 would be a significant challenge. Clarke is ahead of him, Taylor comes in ahead of him for mine too.
Look I hope I am wrong and Bell shows me I’ve been short sighted here, but Bell just doesn’t excite me at this stage.
Yeh I'm similar with Bell. I think his strength is his disposal in congestion, particularly by hand. Other than that, I think he's just average or poor at everything else. His kicking in particular seems flat-out bad.
I'd be trying him as a small defender in the hope that he can do a Nick Smith and use his solid without being great attributes there. If he's a disciplined worker and has great concentration, maybe that could be a fit. I don't see him being a regular seniors player otherwise.
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bell looked miles off afl standard imo
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Sure. But his improvement throughout the year was impressive, and if it continues for a while, then he will soon be AFL standard. If it plateaus, then he won’t be. But it’s silly to say “he’s not AFL standard” when he’s potentially a long way from his best.
Certainly worth an extra year to see if he can step up. He’s closer to AFL standard than most kids taken super late in the draft.
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whys it silly
wasnt impressed with the neafl or afl
club is i guess, but just looks lost out there to me, not especially skilled
id rather put time into someone else
It’s silly because his performance improved drastically a) over the course of the season and b) upon being moved into the guts. It stands to reason that there is more improvement to be seen. Therefore, it makes no sense to dismiss his potential based on his most recent games.
A full season playing as an inside mid should hopefully give a clearer indication as to his ultimate potential. I’m not 100% sold on him by any stretch but it makes zero sense to write him off.
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