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Too many times to count and yet you haven't recounted any, just mentioned the name of a city.
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When he said there were very fine people (i.e. peaceful protestors) on both sides... and the media reported that he called white supremacists fine people
Where the white supremacists not one of the 'sides' present at Charlottesville?
I get what you're saying, but I take that example yet another instance of Trump being unable to express himself much above the level of an average grade 5 student ie. probably not what he was trying to say, but its hardly anyone else's fault that he said it and it was reported.
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That's exactly what he did, but they still deliberately took it out of context
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What was the actual quote, and where's an example of the media misquoting it?
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it wasnt that he was misquoted, it was that the media didnt provide the mandatory explanation of "what Trump really meant was..." that the likes of LicoriceAllsorts always push
when a politician needs a translator to explain what he really means as often as trump apparently does, maybe he isnt the 4D chess playing genius the trumpians think that their fat orange god is?
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I'll get the quote right after the game
The irony being you guys and the greater left insult his intelligence yet can't understand simple English
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oh god, you really have gone all in...
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I mean it's pretty simple, when you see it you'll understand and be a bit shocked that a reporter could get it so wrong
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i mean you still thinking he is some 4d chess mega brain
even the rest of your trumpian mates have stopped pushing the line of his supposed genius (its hard to defend when he (1) cheated to get into college, (2) cheated in college, and (3) brags about passing a test that anything less than 100% sees you losing your drivers license)
Its possible to be balanced in saying reporters get it wrong often and Trump is a moron.
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I never brought up his intelligence, that was you guys
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BUT since you seem so concerned perhaps its better we get another 4 years of him than an even worse 8 years of Biden
To save everyone time:
TRUMP: I am not putting anybody on a moral plane, what I’m saying is this: you had a group on one side and a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs and it was vicious and horrible and it was a horrible thing to watch, but there is another side. There was a group on this side, you can call them the left. You’ve just called them the left, that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.
REPORTER: You said there was hatred and violence on both sides?
TRUMP: I do think there is blame – yes, I think there is blame on both sides. You look at, you look at both sides. I think there’s blame on both sides, and I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And, and, and, and if you reported it accurately, you would say.
REPORTER: The neo-Nazis started this thing. They showed up in Charlottesville.
TRUMP: Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.
George Washington was a slave-owner. Was George Washington a slave-owner? So will George Washington now lose his status — are we going to take down — excuse me. Are we going to take down statues of George Washington? How 'bout Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him? Ok, good. Are we going to take down the statue because he was a major slave-owner? Now we’re going to take down his statue. So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history, you’re changing culture. And you had people, and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis or the white nationalists because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, ok? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.
TRUMP: I am not putting anybody on a moral plane, what I’m saying is this: you had a group on one side and a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs and it was vicious and horrible and it was a horrible thing to watch, but there is another side. There was a group on this side, you can call them the left. You’ve just called them the left, that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.
REPORTER: You said there was hatred and violence on both sides?
TRUMP: I do think there is blame – yes, I think there is blame on both sides. You look at, you look at both sides. I think there’s blame on both sides, and I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And, and, and, and if you reported it accurately, you would say.
REPORTER: The neo-Nazis started this thing. They showed up in Charlottesville.
TRUMP: Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.
George Washington was a slave-owner. Was George Washington a slave-owner? So will George Washington now lose his status — are we going to take down — excuse me. Are we going to take down statues of George Washington? How 'bout Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him? Ok, good. Are we going to take down the statue because he was a major slave-owner? Now we’re going to take down his statue. So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history, you’re changing culture. And you had people, and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis or the white nationalists because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, ok? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.
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How have I failed to understand simple English when you haven't furnished the quote yet?
The problem with any argument that Trump wasn't referring to neo-nazis when he made that statement, is that he was saying that the group who was protesting wasn't full of just neo-nazis or white suppremicists. Unfortunately (for Trump), that claim doesn't up.
www.vox.com
Trump’s new defense of his Charlottesville comments is incredibly false
The 2017 “Unite the Right” rally was organized by and intended for white supremacists and white nationalists.
www.vox.com
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Interestingly they took the article down
I wonder why
It seems a lot of the sources were taken down since we first talked about it in the Colin Kaepernick thread. If you recall the media were forced to backtrack on their comments with this one
www.dailymail.co.uk
These were Trump's actually quotes
I wonder why
It seems a lot of the sources were taken down since we first talked about it in the Colin Kaepernick thread. If you recall the media were forced to backtrack on their comments with this one
Biden insists Trump praised white supremacists after Charlottesville
A reporter told Biden that Trump said 'specifically that he was condemning' white nationalists after a riot in Charlottesville. 'No, he did not,' Biden said. 'He said there were
These were Trump's actually quotes
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But he did completely condemn the Neo-Nazi's and White Nationalists, which still makes the initial reporting wrongThe problem with any argument that Trump wasn't referring to neo-nazis when he made that statement, is that he was saying that the group who was protesting wasn't full of just neo-nazis or white suppremicists. Unfortunately (for Trump), that claim doesn't up.
Trump’s new defense of his Charlottesville comments is incredibly false
The 2017 “Unite the Right” rally was organized by and intended for white supremacists and white nationalists.
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except for those that were very fine people of course (because both sides had them)
Yes, he said fine people on both sides. One of the 'sides' present were white supremacists.
The guy is POTUS for god's sake, its no-one's fault but his own if he is incapable of choosing his words more carefully. Any person in his postition saying that would have it noted and reported. There are examples of the media being genuinely dishonest to stitch him up (edited koi fish vid for example), I just don't think this is one of them.
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Yeah, those who were protesting peacefully
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And the other side was probs antifa or something just as bad
You're asking him to choose words more carefully, when he already chose the perfect words. Y'all are grasping at straws
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i find not a lot fine about peaceful white supremacists, but thats just me. I'll let you bbq with them
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What's white supremacists got to do with it?
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Interestingly they took the article down
I wonder why
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It seems a lot of the sources were taken down since we first talked about it in the Colin Kaepernick thread. If you recall the media were forced to backtrack on their comments with this one
Biden insists Trump praised white supremacists after Charlottesville
A reporter told Biden that Trump said 'specifically that he was condemning' white nationalists after a riot in Charlottesville. 'No, he did not,' Biden said. 'He said there were
These were Trump's actually quotes
hmmmm
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