2021 - Best 22

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RUNVS said:
This could change with a couple of our young players but right now what we are lacking with our under 24 brigade is a real star, someone who will likely become a top 10 or top 20 player in the competition. We have a lot of pretty good young players but we lack that star factor so far.
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Do you want an under-24 player who is a real star (implying currently a top 10/20 player) or do you want an under-24 who will likely be a future top 10/20 player (which you simultaneously acknowledged we might already have, so not sure what your point is....)

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Punts said:
Still think our young guys are overrated on here

A lot went backwards last year

Potential yes but still needs to be seen

If we had depth last year Hayward , florent and Blakey would of not got games imo , they were shocking

Ports kids are better imo but playing in a better side

We need a huge improvement from a lot
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I both agree and disagree.

I think only Hayward went backwards, but even then he came back from injury so it could be argued that he was better than last year. A few stagnated a bit, but that's unfair criticism imo when the TEAM went backwards.

We didn't have depth last year which meant that as a group of players we very much went backwards.

I don't think Ports kids are that much better, Blakey and Rozee had similar years, as well as Butters and Rowbottom.

On that note, I agree with the fact that we need A LOT of improvement. I'm not quite sure how to approach next year. Very small changes in on field personnel, Hewitt, Heeney, and Hickey being the big ones (I'm not including buddy till he plays), means that unless our current group improves we are bottom 4 again.
 
Rowbottom played well in a struggling midfield missing JPK, Hewett, Heeney (part time I know) for good chunks and with every other line heavily impacted by injury/form.

Butters in a stable, in form team, with little to worry about in terms of injuries. Not a starting mid against the best oppo players.

Not really fair to compare. Both young guns though. I'd probably pick Rowbottom at draft time though, even now.
Kapers said:
Ehhhh, maybe I'm blind, but Rowbottom isn't too far off Butters.
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caesar88 said:
Do you want an under-24 player who is a real star (implying currently a top 10/20 player) or do you want an under-24 who will likely be a future top 10/20 player (which you simultaneously acknowledged we might already have, so not sure what your point is....)

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The second one. I want one of our young players to develop into a star as I feel like we are lacking a certain star power with our younger players. Don't get me wrong, I have high hopes for guys like Blakey and Rowbottom, and think both could become stars, but we have a lot of players like Hayward, Florent, McInerney, Warner, Wicks and McLean, guys who potentially, or already are good players, but are unlikely going to push into the elite category.
 
RUNVS said:
The second one. I want one of our young players to develop into a star as I feel like we are lacking a certain star power with our younger players. Don't get me wrong, I have high hopes for guys like Blakey and Rowbottom, and think both could become stars, but we have a lot of players like Hayward, Florent, McInerney, Warner, Wicks and McLean, guys who potentially, or already are good players, but are unlikely going to push into the elite category.
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Again you seem to be contradicting yourself. You say Blakey and Rowbottom fit the bill of being star players, but then say our list is lacking any youngsters who will be stars.

FWIW Rowbottom is my one and only 'sure bet' at this point, but I think you are dismissing plenty of options for players who could be elite.

McCartin has shown he could be an absolute beast as a defender, a more mobile Reg Grundy (who, IMO, was the best defender in the comp.)

Papley is arguably the best small forward in the competition, already is elite in his role.

Heeney is probably the most talented bloke we've had on our list since Adam Goodes, already is elite (IMO), if unclear as to what we want him to be.

Dawson and Blakey are two supremely gifted players with many strings to their bow that few in the AFL have, if those gifts can be harnessed into a disciplined role they can thrive in.

We have a bevvy of players with the potential to be very good outside mids/wingmen in the future, including Blakey himself, but also Stephens, McInerney and Campbell.

We've just drafted McDonald, who has a far greater body of work as a teenage key forward than either Buddy Franklin or Josh Kennedy had.

And in the same draft, picked up the best kick in the pool in Campbell.

PS. Not every player has to be elite.

PPS. When you went into the future and saw that those players you named never became elite, what else did you see?
 
caesar88 said:
Again you seem to be contradicting yourself. You say Blakey and Rowbottom fit the bill of being star players, but then say our list is lacking any youngsters who will be stars.
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I am saying they have the potential to be star players, not that they are actually going to become star players. I am saying that we need a few of our younger players to become elite, and Blakey and Rowbottom seem like the best bets as of right now to become elite, but there are no guarantees they will take that step. I am also saying that our other younger players are potentially good players, or already are, but they don't have the potential to become elite.

We need a few of our younger players to step up and become elite. None of them have yet, and right now I feel like only Blakey and Rowbottom have the potential to (not including any 2020 draftees as we have not seen them play at an AFL level).
 
RUNVS said:
I am saying they have the potential to be star players, not that they are actually going to become star players. I am saying that we need a few of our younger players to become elite, and Blakey and Rowbottom seem like the best bets as of right now to become elite, but there are no guarantees they will take that step. I am also saying that our other younger players are potentially good players, or already are, but they don't have the potential to become elite.

We need a few of our younger players to step up and become elite. None of them have yet, and right now I feel like only Blakey and Rowbottom have the potential to (not including any 2020 draftees as we have not seen them play at an AFL level).
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All players develop at different paces. Some show elite potential from the get-go, others take a few years, or even several years to show those signs. I recall one Gary Ablett Jr not being anything out of the ordinary for the first several years of his career. Ditto the two Josh Kennedys. Ditto the reigning premier Lachie Neale. Ditto Dustin Martin. Ditto Jack Steele. Ditto Christian Petracca. So yes we need some of them to step up and become elite - even the two you mentioned who have to actually deliver on their promise - but it seems like a harsh condemnation on the kids to say that because they aren't showing certain signs at this very early stage that they eventually won't.
 

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RUNVS said:
This could change with a couple of our young players but right now what we are lacking with our under 24 brigade is a real star, someone who will likely become a top 10 or top 20 player in the competition. We have a lot of pretty good young players but we lack that star factor so far.
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100% agree. Lots of workers projecting well but little x-factor. Blakey and Heeney the only 2 with something really special about them.... potentially
 
McLean, and I like the kid, is not close to as good as Reid and this sort of comment is why no one takes you seriously.
LukeParkerno1 said:
I'd take McLean to be honest, worth a try, least he MIGHT be a good player. We know what Reid is, and average is putting it nicely. As I said I expect Longmire to pick Reid but he's very risk averse in general. I'd like McDonald and Bud to play, don't mind who else plays really. The amount Logan would learn from Bud playing in the same side is immense, lets make the most of it while he's fit.
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anotherletdown said:
100% agree. Lots of workers projecting well but little x-factor. Blakey and Heeney the only 2 with something really special about them.... potentially
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Heeney doesn't really have youth on his side anymore. If he is going to take that step up to a top 20 player in the competition he needs to do that in 2021.
 
RUNVS said:
I am saying they have the potential to be star players, not that they are actually going to become star players. I am saying that we need a few of our younger players to become elite, and Blakey and Rowbottom seem like the best bets as of right now to become elite, but there are no guarantees they will take that step. I am also saying that our other younger players are potentially good players, or already are, but they don't have the potential to become elite.

We need a few of our younger players to step up and become elite. None of them have yet, and right now I feel like only Blakey and Rowbottom have the potential to (not including any 2020 draftees as we have not seen them play at an AFL level).
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You seriously feel that Blakey and Rowbottom are the only potential elite young players on our list?

What about Mills, who looks on track to become our equivalent of Luke Hodge?
How about Heeney?
How about the collection of top 5 draft picks we have selected in the last few years in Stephens, McDonald and Campbell?
Or McCartin as a CHB?

I have no idea why you think none of these players have the potential to enter the very top echelon of players in the league.
 
RobbieK said:
You seriously feel that Blakey and Rowbottom are the only potential elite young players on our list?

What about Mills, who looks on track to become our equivalent of Luke Hodge?
How about Heeney?
How about the collection of top 5 draft picks we have selected in the last few years in Stephens, McDonald and Campbell?
Or McCartin as a CHB?

I have no idea why you think none of these players have the potential to enter the very top echelon of players in the league.
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Mills is solid down back, nothing more than that. Heeney, I hope he can but he isn't a young player anymore. He needs to step up very soon.

I am not including the new draftees as we have never see them play at an AFL level.

As for Stephens, I hope he can, and he might be able to, but he didn't show signs he could become that one day in his first year. Now that is no slight on him, but I need to see some signs he can become an elite player before I say he might become an elite player one day.
 
RUNVS said:
Mills is solid down back, nothing more than that. Heeney, I hope he can but he isn't a young player anymore. He needs to step up very soon.

I am not including the new draftees as we have never see them play at an AFL level.

As for Stephens, I hope he can, and he might be able to, but he didn't show signs he could become that one day in his first year. Now that is no slight on him, but I need to see some signs he can become an elite player before I say he might become an elite player one day.
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With all due respect, it seems like a negative viewpoint to take. You're bemoaning what our players are before you've even seen what they become.
 
Heeney is 24. Most don’t peak until 26. He’s had injuries and also been thrown around a bit but when he’s played games consistently he’s shown every sign that he can be elite.

Can’t believe a 24 year old is already being written off as having reached his ceiling.


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If our youngsters are over-rated, then it's not just by Swans fans on here.

Terry Wallace said we have the best youngsters in the comp after the GWS win. Leigh Matthews made the same call early last year. Wayne Carey & Bruce regularly froth over our youngsters during games, as does David King. Earlier this week Kane Cornes had us and Freo as the risers for next year, not Gold Coast or Carlton.

And this was in the Herald Sun from a former AFL recruiter:

SYDNEY
4. LOGAN MCDONALD 196cm, 85kg, Fwd West Perth

5. BRAEDEN CAMPBELL 180cm, 73kg, Mid Syd Academy (matched bid)

32. ERROL GULDEN 176cm, 71kg, Mid Syd Academy (matched bid)

ROOKIE DRAFT: Malachy Caruthers

The recruiter: Key forward Logan McDonald’s not your big, competitive beast – he lacks a bit of strength in his core base at the moment – so he’s more an endurance forward. Sydney’s ball movement was quicker last season, and that will help him work into space, whereas the old-school Sydney, slow and stoppage, wouldn’t help him. He’s like Jack Riewoldt at the moment because Jack isn’t a big, strong man, but he uses his body, he can run, move across the ground and get into space. McDonald was a great piece to add to the young group of James Rowbottom, Dylan Stephens, Justin McInerney, Nick Blakey, Will Hayward, Will Gould and now Braeden Campbell and Errol Gulden, who was a steal at No. 32. They’ve still got Papley and Parker and Lloyd and Rampe and Mills and Heeney. In my eyes they got two of the top six in McDonald and Campbell and two of the top 20 last year in Stephens and Gould. They’ve got the best group of kids in the AFL and look on track for a premiership in the next three to five years. They’re building towards something pretty special.

These are obviously just opinions, same as ours on here, and I'm not even saying it's a good thing that there's such expectations on our list. But it's pretty clear the idea of our youngsters being among the very best in the comp isn't just some fantasy conjured by the clubs fans.
 
I'm pretty positive about our list. A few commentators rate our young group highly. Kids tend to play better when surrounded by good mature players. In a young team with already few experienced players we had quite a few of our more experienced players out of the team for periods. Hewett, Heeney, Buddy, Rampe, Naismith. Sinkers was banged up and hanging on. We were relying on 20yos to hold down key roles, forwards play better when Buddy takes half the opposition defence, defenders play better with Rampe at their backs, a decent ruck gives us more clearances and Hewett usually takes out one of the best opposition mids. We're unlikely to slide with plenty of scope to improve this year. Just dropping that big lead to Carlton cost us 3 ladder spots. We had a few tight losses. It won't take too much to get within reach of the 8. There seems to be a good vibe at the club.
 
bungee said:
I'm pretty positive about our list. A few commentators rate our young group highly. Kids tend to play better when surrounded by good mature players. In a young team with already few experienced players we had quite a few of our more experienced players out of the team for periods. Hewett, Heeney, Buddy, Rampe, Naismith. Sinkers was banged up and hanging on. We were relying on 20yos to hold down key roles, forwards play better when Buddy takes half the opposition defence, defenders play better with Rampe at their backs, a decent ruck gives us more clearances and Hewett usually takes out one of the best opposition mids. We're unlikely to slide with plenty of scope to improve this year. Just dropping that big lead to Carlton cost us 3 ladder spots. We had a few tight losses. It won't take too much to get within reach of the 8. There seems to be a good vibe at the club.
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Agreed. This list is only a favourable run with injuries away from Finals.
 
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