Strategy 2021 Draft and Hypothetical pick trade proposals

[Strapping Young Lad]

Lol seriously can we just have a ban on posting things ol clickbait Kornes says…

none of it is interesting and it’s all designed to just stir people up.

Hodgey wants a new rule! Hodgey gets a new rule.

No more clickbait shit from Cornes in here.


Also:

Can we also threadban Rendell quotes. The bloke is senile.

Done

 

[Toasted]

I wouldn’t bother trading for the Dog’s 1st pick. Not a hell a lot of difference between 17, 21 and 24 in this draft.

Maybe if we get a few picks in the 30s via trades? Would (hypothetically) 3 in 30s be better than 17?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I wouldn’t bother trading for the Dog’s 1st pick. Not a hell a lot of difference between 17, 21 and 24 in this draft.

Clubs are eyeing off the back end of the first round according to an article I read this morning, as they think that a few players will possible slide due to a couple of “needs” being selected with picks around 8-12.

It’s going to be a very interesting draft. I’m happy we’ve got those two early 20’s picks.

 

[butlers hawks]

Clubs are eyeing off the back end of the first round according to an article I read this morning, as they think that a few players will possible slide due to a couple of “needs” being selected with picks around 8-12.

It’s going to be a very interesting draft. I’m happy we’ve got those two early 20’s picks.

The first few picks in the second round are busy on the night when players slide too so could be some moves if we hold them

 

[Pessimistic]

I don't think any of the names above contradict my point ...

I said, "How many of those teams built their lists on the back of trading out experienced, top talent in exchange for early draft picks?"

Out of the list you’ve provided …

Vickery, Selwood, Frawley were all free agents (not traded for early picks)

Cooney, Jones, Rosa were all traded for picks outside #30

Stringer and Dahlhaus, traded after the flag as you mentioned

Griffen was traded for a net pick loss (Bulldogs got Boyd in the deal and actually gave up pick 6).

Hogan netted pick 6 for the Dees but they immediately on-traded it for Kolodjashnij and May

The Deledio trade is the closest to the model of 'trade top player for early pick' - but even then, it was for a late future 1st that was used at the end of the 2017 premiership year (and ultimately, split to get 2 players who played no part in any of their premierships).

None of those 4 premierships came about because the clubs got super aggressive and traded top players for early picks (meg-drafting their way to the top).
Not to say that it won't work for us, but I think the common theme is that clubs build a premiership list by getting in top players any which way they can, and often after a long haul of bottoming out and using the early draft picks allocated by virtue of their lowly position.

My objection / interjection is not to the idea of trading out a player or two - that's why I came to this hypothetical thread.
My objection is to the trade-radio kind of idea that there is a well-worn path to a premiership, and all you have to do is trade this bloke for this pick, and this bloke won't be in the premiership window so blah blah blah, and people are just too stupid to get it.

If we don't add another 1st rounder to our current haul, it won't be some disaster or terrible missed opportunity.
Hasten slowly, people.

agreed. This only makes sense if the draftee targeted, drafted and developed is significantly bette that what thetraded out player brings to the club.

Geelong got very nice picks for Ablett jnr, but look how poor the draftees were.

 

[Pessimistic]

Possible pick swap we can try to entertain if we can't use (or trade for better picks) the picks we can get out of TOB, Hanrahan or Howe (assuming they leave).


Collingwood currently have 1707 draft points.
In order to successfully match a bid for Daicos they need 2400 points if Daicos is bid at pick 1, at pick 2 that’s reduced to 2014 points.

"But The Age reports the Magpies will target third and fourth-round picks from other clubs - for reference pick 40, the first in the third round, is worth 429 points - and are willing to trade out future second or third-round picks."

Pies’ plot to solve AFL’s toughest trade dilemma; Bombers reveal top priority: Trade Whispers

Pies’ plot to solve AFL’s toughest trade dilemma; Bombers reveal top priority: Trade Whispers

www.foxsports.com.au

It also mentioned in the link that
"Meanwhile the Western Bulldogs, who need points to match a bid for father-son prospect Sam Darcy (likely to fall in the top five), are eyeing Richmond’s picks 26 and 28 in a trade for their pick 17."

trade this years second rounder we got from Collingwood back to them for their next years first and throw in some late picks this year? It would be after they draft Daicos

3-2-1 corneycane accusations of draft tampering

 

[hfc70]

What sucks is having the draft over 2 nights ? What the actual fccuk is that all about ?

 

[theiaofseed]

Clubs are eyeing off the back end of the first round according to an article I read this morning, as they think that a few players will possible slide due to a couple of “needs” being selected with picks around 8-12.

It’s going to be a very interesting draft. I’m happy we’ve got those two early 20’s picks.

Might be able to snare a future first if a team likes a player thats slipped, West Coast, Brisbane, Collingwood, Essendon, Carlton and Geelong could all have a handy first round pick in 2022.

 

[hfc70]

trade this years second rounder we got from Collingwood back to them for their next years first and throw in some late picks this year? It would be after they draft Daicos

3-2-1 corneycane accusations of draft tampering

That’s rather optimistic, pessimistic!

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

What sucks is having the draft over 2 nights ? What the actual fccuk is that all about ?

Yeah it’s over the top rubbish. You’ve just reminded me of the 5 hour epic from last year that was like pulling teeth.

 

[hfc70]

Might be able to snare a future first if a team likes a player thats slipped, West Coast, Brisbane, Essendon, Carlton and Geelong could all have a handy first round pick in 2022.

Think 2022 is the Super Dooper Trooper Draft ….

 

[jenniferHAWKinS]

Clubs are eyeing off the back end of the first round according to an article I read this morning, as they think that a few players will possible slide due to a couple of “needs” being selected with picks around 8-12.

It’s going to be a very interesting draft. I’m happy we’ve got those two early 20’s picks.

Unless a team comes hard for T Mitchell I would just take 5, 21 and 24 into this years draft. Try to grab some 2022 2nd/3rd rounders for Howe, Ceglar and Hanrahan and target the Lions 1st next year as you mentioned earlier with points for Ashcroft. Day, last years crop, 3 picks in the top 24 and 2 1st rounders next year sets us up nicely for the future. Would love another pick in the top 10 this year but just don’t see us getting it done.

 

[Lickmesocks]

I look at the Demons and Dogs as what I want to see from us. Midfielders that block, shepherd and work for each other in the middle to win the ball.

Listening to Lethal the other day and he said “I always want a ruckman that is hitting the ball forward with momentum. I had Clark Keating

Clark Keating

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48

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4.2

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for that reason. He jumped hard and punched the ball forward in the middle giving us a starting point. Too many rucks try and finesse with taps at the feet and the midfielder gets smashed trying to grab it”

I want to see Reeves become our Max Gawn

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Max Gawn

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18.5

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. I want to see our ruck pushing the ball forward with momentum rather than us going backwards 30 metres to HB to try and gain a possession and then go forward.

Dees have it sorted. Tigers had it sorted with strong rucks that don’t back down . Hit the ball forward and get a group of mids going forward with momentum and wear the opposition down.

Once we get the middle of the ground sorted we can start playing ball again.

 

[eldorado]

What sucks is having the draft over 2 nights ? What the actual fccuk is that all about ?

Gil from marketing...

 

[Pessimistic]

Melbourne had 12 in 64 years and were far too impressed. Now they have 13 in 121 years. What would really impress Hawthorn supporters is 13 in the next 60 years.

minimum 1 per decade. Anything above is icing

 

[Lickmesocks]

What sucks is having the draft over 2 nights ? What the actual fccuk is that all about ?

Totally agree. The recruiting team have had 12 months to work out who is who in the zoo and don’t need another night to mull over it .

 

[Pessimistic]

That’s rather optimistic, pessimistic!

maybe not Collingwood. Can’t see wrighty going for it either

from totally left fired, how old is Grundy? Can he regain his mojo. Salary dump of course. Edit 27yo

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Think 2022 is the Super Dooper Trooper Draft ….

At this stage some clubs are concerned at the lack of footy these players have had over the last two years.
Last year there were lots of talls, this year all mids, 2022 is touted as a real mix of both.

 

[The hands of stone]

Where’s RoughandLove? I havnt slept since he popped his head in here for 3 seconds the other night
Come back Rough

It was a glorious 3 seconds too, absolutely hanging out for the return !

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Totally agree. The recruiting team have had 12 months to work out who is who in the zoo and don’t need another night to mull over it .

It’s not for the recruiters though, it’s for the advertisement dollars.

Just wait until each draft pick is sponsored by a brand, “Welcome 2024 NAB AFL draft, at Pick 1, for Continental Tyres, Collingwood select….”

 

[Stratton24]

At this stage some clubs are concerned at the lack of footy these players have had over the last two years.
Last year there were lots of talls, this year all mids, 2022 is touted as a real mix of both.

Could be some 180cm midfielders who last played in under 16’s in 2019 who in 2022 will be 200cm rucks!

 

[Brant]

I wouldn’t bother trading for the Dog’s 1st pick. Not a hell a lot of difference between 17, 21 and 24 in this draft.

Unless we're using picks outside the Top 25 to do so.

I'm not keen on trading 21 + 24 for 17, but if we could (somehow) get say a Pick in the 30s + low 40s then I'd be happy to turn 24 into 17.

I'd rather burn multiple picks after 30 & have 4x Picks within 30 than have 5 + 21 + 24 & 52

 

[eldorado]

It’s not for the recruiters though, it’s for the advertisement dollars.

Just wait until each draft pick is sponsored by a brand, “Welcome 2024 NAB AFL draft, at Pick 1, for Continental Tyres, Collingwood select….”

Remember when they did the reverse top 10 countdown reveal, after they had been picked?

That could have been the cringiest of all cringeworthy AFL bombs...up there with Meatloaf and the Batmobile

 

[eldorado]

Unless we're using picks outside the Top 25 to do so.

I'm not keen on trading 21 + 24 for 17, but if we could (somehow) get say a Pick in the 30s + low 40s then I'd be happy to turn 24 into 17.

I'd rather burn multiple picks after 30 & have 4x Picks within 30 than have 5 + 21 + 24 & 52

We need to be having serious conversations with the committee that works out compo picks..."You campaigners still owe us for Buddy! Pick 25 for Timmy!"

 

[RiverRiver]

I don't want to trade him either but for comparison, what type of mid do you classify Tom Mitchell as being?

An inside mid.
My perspective is more based on Contested possessions, clearances and the eye test with JOM ahead in at least two of those IMO.
I also have the crazy opinion that JOM will lead us to our next flag but that sounds a bit strange with where our list is currently. #FAITH

 

[Jazzfan]

Love how pragmatic Richie V is!