Strategy 2021 Draft and Hypothetical pick trade proposals

[Strapping Young Lad]

Lol seriously can we just have a ban on posting things ol clickbait Kornes says…

none of it is interesting and it’s all designed to just stir people up.

Hodgey wants a new rule! Hodgey gets a new rule.

No more clickbait shit from Cornes in here.


Also:

Can we also threadban Rendell quotes. The bloke is senile.

Done

 

[Hodgey09]

Did not think either of them painted themselves in great light to be honest. Club should not have put it up.

Agreed. As someone that works in the media & comms world it was a bizarre decision to put that up after reviewing.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

My dream is Callaghan and Ward, badly want two top 5 picks.

They would perfectly round out our midfield options.

 

[Pessimistic]

Yep.

I watched that the day it came out a few years ago.

I would happily accept 50 squirrel grips as opposed to watching that again.

Felt bad for Harry to be honest.

one between patto and Hartley was especially excruciating. Never got why we went for them

 

[MasterSamurai]

There's really a top 2, then there seems to be a group of maybe 3-5, and then you could throw a blanket over picks 7-18.

Some kids will slide, and having picks at 21,22,24 would be quite handy to nab one or two of them, and even to trade for a future first should some other club really want a player that's sitting there at Pick 21.

Ok, so it seems that you've divided the top end to 3 groups. 1&2 then 3&6 , which leaves a blanket over 7 to 18.
From what I've seen (or heard) is that most of these kids (top 18) have traits to get excited about and I think the Hawks ( particularly Sam ) would love another pick in the first round but as you said, there's a chance a few of those players will drift to pick in the 20's.
From my view, we need not one but two potentially Gun inside mids. But not the bull types, that's the reason why I'm big on Ward more than Callaghan. I've also heard that the club rate another kid really highly but couldn't get a name unfortunately.
This might be the reason why the club wouldn't mind getting another high end Draft pick to somehow muscle in on a couple of future stars.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Ok, so it seems that you've divided the top end to 3 groups. 1&2 then 3&6 , which leaves a blanket over 7 to 18.
From what I've seen (or heard) is that most of these kids (top 18) have traits to get excited about and I think the Hawks ( particularly Sam ) would love another pick in the first round but as you said, there's a chance a few of those players will drift to pick in the 20's.
From my view, we need not one but two potentially Gun inside mids. But not the bull types, that's the reason why I'm big on Ward more than Callaghan. I've also heard that the club rate another kid really highly but couldn't get a name unfortunately.
This might be the reason why the club wouldn't mind getting another high end Draft pick to somehow muscle in on a couple of future stars.

Yeah, it seems it's JHF/Callaghan, then you've got Hobbs/Ward/Andrew/Gibcus/Erasmus and then there's a bigger group after that of which a few might come into top 5 calculations, depending on who's holding the pick.

I'm with you though, I'd love another top 5 pick, or even another top 15, and to still have 21 and 24 to catch whatever slides.

 

[MasterSamurai]

Yeah, it seems it's JHF/Callaghan, then you've got Hobbs/Ward/Andrew/Gibcus/Erasmus and then there's a bigger group after that of which a few might come into top 5 calculations, depending on who's holding the pick.

I'm with you though, I'd love another top 5 pick, or even another top 15, and to still have 21 and 24 to catch whatever slides.

Wouldn't surprise me if knevitt is the 'one' slider we'd be looking at. Don't know much about him other than he's a bigger mid than most in this Draft.
Ward/Rachelle/Callaghan types would be gone in the first 7-8 picks though.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Wouldn't surprise me if knevitt is the 'one' slider we'd be looking at. Don't know much about him other than he's a bigger mid than most in this Draft.
Ward/Rachelle/Callaghan types would be gone in the first 7-8 picks though.

Most are saying Knevitt is late 20's.

 

[RutegerJones]

Namor >>>> Aquaman

Can't wait for the day Namor makes his appearance in the MCU.

 

[bindas12]

I’d rather Gunston doesn’t go, he is worth far more to our developing forwards then any draft pick, unless it was somehow an upgrade to a top 15…

If he does leave tho, (for the worst) I reckon we will rookie green from box hill

If he does leave hopefully that means we get to see Callow play a few games up forward

 

[Walshawk]

Ok, so it seems that you've divided the top end to 3 groups. 1&2 then 3&6 , which leaves a blanket over 7 to 18.
From what I've seen (or heard) is that most of these kids (top 18) have traits to get excited about and I think the Hawks ( particularly Sam ) would love another pick in the first round but as you said, there's a chance a few of those players will drift to pick in the 20's.
From my view, we need not one but two potentially Gun inside mids. But not the bull types, that's the reason why I'm big on Ward more than Callaghan. I've also heard that the club rate another kid really highly but couldn't get a name unfortunately.
This might be the reason why the club wouldn't mind getting another high end Draft pick to somehow muscle in on a couple of future stars.

I would trade our 5 (7) and 21 (22) for Richmond’s 7 (9) and 17 (18).

 

[chopflop]

Wouldn't surprise me if knevitt is the 'one' slider we'd be looking at. Don't know much about him other than he's a bigger mid than most in this Draft.
Ward/Rachelle/Callaghan types would be gone in the first 7-8 picks though.

Knevitt ran a 6:18 2km which is pretty elite.

 

[CHUBBSS]

Knevitt ran a 6:18 2km which is pretty elite.

Height/Weight: 193cm/81kg
Position: Inside Midfielder/Forward

picked up over 20 disposals in 7 of 9 games, and his a freak runner. Get him in

 

[HR Roughnstuf]

If he does leave hopefully that means we get to see Callow play a few games up forward

yep, Gunston kept Callow out this year

 

[MasterSamurai]

Height/Weight: 193cm/81kg
Position: Inside Midfielder/Forward

picked up over 20 disposals in 7 of 9 games, and his a freak runner. Get him in

I know we were interested while back but not sure by the time the Draft rolls along.

 

[Alite]

Contracted Sun refusing to be traded to North Melbourne

Darcy Macpherson is so far refusing a trade to North Melbourne.

www.sen.com.au

Assuming he can be convinced to leave, the Darcy MacPherson

44

Darcy Macpherson

Age

27

Ht

175cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.1

4star

K

9.3

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

4.9

5star

MG

187.8

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

6.3

3star

HB

4.8

3star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.5

3star

MG

137.3

2star

D

11.6

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

2.2

3star

T

4.8

5star

MG

113.6

2star

Salary Dump Deal seems to be:

• Suns give MacPherson + pick 19
• Suns get a future 2nd or 3rd + a 1 year salary dump of up to $500k (!! Wtf!!) + a much needed freeing up of a list spot.

I cannot see Norf giving up their future 2nd rounder (low 20s) for an improvement of a few pick spots at the cost of $500K and a player that does not fill a need.

You’d think only two teams could adsorb the salary dump: the Hawks and Norf.

His disposal is below average (~65%) but he tackles (~5/g) and provides plenty of pressures acts. The Hawks could use a pressure forward, especially if Ollie leaves, though if we have a healthy list I cannot see him in the best 22. On paper not too different to Lachie Schultz. Was 3rd in the Sun’s b&f in 2019 but in 2021 was used out-of-position on the wing as they develop Rankine and Ainsworth as their small fwds.

If we acquire a future 2nd in a player trade, would the gaining the Sun’s Pick 19 (2021) for, say, a pick in the late 20s or low 30s (2022) be worth the opportunity cost of a chance at developing a new player, i.e a list spot?

 

[Alite]

Contracted Sun refusing to be traded to North Melbourne

Darcy Macpherson is so far refusing a trade to North Melbourne.

www.sen.com.au

Assuming he can be convinced to leave, the Darcy MacPherson Salary Dump Deal seems to be:

• Suns give MacPherson + pick 19
• Suns get a future 2nd or 3rd + a 1 year salary dump of up to $500k (!! Wtf!!) + a much needed freeing up of a list spot.

I cannot see Norf giving up their future 2nd rounder (low 20s) for an improvement of a few pick spots at the cost of $500K and a player that does not fill a need.

You’d think only two teams could adsorb the salary dump: the Hawks and Norf.

His disposal is below average (~65%) but he tackles (~5/g) and provides plenty of pressures acts. The Hawks could use a pressure forward, especially if Ollie leaves, though if we have a healthy list I cannot see him in the best 22. On paper not too different to Lachie Schultz. Was 3rd in the Sun’s b&f in 2019 but in 2021 was used out-of-position on the wing as they develop Rankine and Ainsworth as their small fwds.

If we acquire a future 2nd in a player trade, would the gaining the Sun’s Pick 19 (2021) for, say, a pick in the late 20s or low 30s (2022) be worth the opportunity cost of a chance at developing a new player, i.e a list spot?

This could work: Ollie + picks 59 & 64 (or the Hawks future 3rd rounder) to Geelong for their future 2nd (mid 30s) which is then shipped off to the Suns for MacPherson and pick 19.
We’d undercut Norf‘s future 3rd, get a replacement pressure fwd for Ollie, not lose a list spot, and turn a pick in the 40s or 50s into pick 19 … all for the cost of a $500k salary dump.

 

[Pessimistic]

Do we really need another ‘pressure player’ as opposed to playmakers?

 

[macdaddio]

Any news on our interest in Max Lynch ?

 

[SammyC]

Port want ladhams out. That much is obvious and don’t believe anything to the contrary.

I can’t comment on whether he is a knob or not, but that has to be a consideration.

Purely on talent and need he is a good fit. We need a ruck fwd to support reeves long term, so putting aside the alleged knobness he looks to have the tools to play that role and is in the right age bracket.

so if we think we can manage any negatives and port get desperate to offload later in trade period then why not? Couple of big ifs though.

 

[Pessimistic]

Port want ladhams out. That much is obvious and don’t believe anything to the contrary.

I can’t comment on whether he is a knob or not, but that has to be a consideration.

Purely on talent and need he is a good fit. We need a ruck fwd to support reeves long term, so putting aside the alleged knobness he looks to have the tools to play that role and is in the right age bracket.

so if we think we can manage any negatives and port get desperate to offload later in trade period then why not? Couple of big ifs though.

we either need a potential elite or a stop gap (like Ceglar was when wepicked him up). No point going for a half measure

Plus he’s on record saying he wants more ruck and less forward time. Does that really suit our future?

 

[Billyc]

We have delisted Brooksby and looking to move on Ceglar. Big Boy is on last legs. We do need another ruckman on the list.

We can't just assume Reeves is a sure bet. Like everyone I was pretty excited by what he showed this year and he's a monster at 208cm but he's played 5 games. He's 22 years old, Ladhams is 23. I'd be happy to have both on the list competing for that top ruck position moving forward.

Ladhams is better than Lynch, but he's not worth a first round pick. If that's the genuine asking price, happy to go after Lynch, though I don't think he has the same upside.

The 'dickhead' stuff I take with a grain of salt without any details. People get called a dickhead for any number of reasons. It is too vague a term to hold any real meaning. If it's Jon Paton type stuff, of course we should run a mile. But if he just enjoys the beers / nose beers I don't really care. Plenty of great players have, and do.

 

[Toasted]

I would trade our 5 (7) and 21 (22) for Richmond’s 7 (9) and 17 (18).

So long as we were able to then trade pick 7 to GC for pick 3 and McPherson. That would be a nice little deal

 

[Beandip]

I have never wanted Hawthorn to miss out on getting a player so badly.

Have you forgotten the numerous attempts to lure Brett Thornton?!

 

[Pinoy Hawk]

Do we really need another ‘pressure player’ as opposed to playmakers?

We need both.

 

[Dewnior]

Port want ladhams out. That much is obvious and don’t believe anything to the contrary.

I can’t comment on whether he is a knob or not, but that has to be a consideration.

Purely on talent and need he is a good fit. We need a ruck fwd to support reeves long term, so putting aside the alleged knobness he looks to have the tools to play that role and is in the right age bracket.

so if we think we can manage any negatives and port get desperate to offload later in trade period then why not? Couple of big ifs though.

I'm keen to hear Adelaide Hawk's take on Ladhams.