Analysis 2021 draft thread

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mattsmob said:
Just on the dot-points you've listed here.
Prior, Coleman, Madden and whoever we're likely to draft this season should be enough half-back depth for the future.
KPD is the biggest 'need' in my opinion and one we should be looking to address with our second pick this year.
KPF I'm not too worried about as we've got some taller forwards in the reserves still , would be comfortable waiting a couple years to draft one.
I don't think a ruck is a need for us anymore with Fort in the short term as an injury back-up and Lane as our project ruck for the next 5-10 years hopefully.
We've got a lot of small forwards/medium forwards in the reserves with B.Coleman, McFayden, T. Berry. Younger mids also generally start off at half-forward so I don't see that as a need.
The midfield depth as you've mentioned is a ongoing process however with the mids we've already got plus most likely at least one this year and the couple f/s next year I think we're set up pretty well at this stage.

Personally what I'd be trying to do this year is pick a versatile mid with 14 who's long-term best position is as a centre square midfielder however can start their career on either flank.
A KPD at 18, if they can pinch-hit forward then great however I'd be picking them based on what they can do in defence.
Best available mid/flanker at 41, ideally we can move this pick up a bit on draft night and secure a Brown, Banks, Roberts.
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Who of our reserves KPFs has ever kicked even a moderate amount of goals at any level? There are none and personally I see that as the biggest gap in our list.
 
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Goodo, he reads as the big kid in the school yard pushing the little kids around. Has some good qualities, leadership n aggression but lacks athleticism and accuracy. Therefore probably deserves his late round/ rookie pick rating and not to our liking.
 

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Quigley said:
Who of our reserves KPFs has ever kicked even a moderate amount of goals at any level? There are none and personally I see that as the biggest gap in our list.
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FaIr point. Just going off memory here but it's often been guys like Matho and Keays (back a few years tbf) as fairly regular multiple goal kickers.

Just had a check on last year and Henry Smith managed 11 goals in 10 games to top our goal kicking. B Coleman kicked just 6, which is a bit of a concern for a guy playing almost permanently forward. I do recall McFayden kicking 3 at least one game? Granted we didn't kick many and were comprehensively beaten most weeks.

So you do raise a great point. I have mentioned before that our reserve key forwards are all ruck forward types, jostling for the one position really. It's a bit lopsided. In a perfect world someone like Matt Hammelmann on our list instead of Smith or Lane would certainly be a better balance. That would allow us to target a young key back in this draft.

By the way the more I think about it the more I would be prepared to use our last pick (41) or even a rookie pick (upgrade Madden or Lane) on a tall. With our best 22 talls settled for at least 3-5 years, a highly rated tall would get pretty frustrated. And it wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility they might become a best 22 player anyway. Funnily enough tall defenders are often taken very late/ rookies. Payne for us as well as Justin Clarke. I don't this Adams was a high pick either and if you went around the league there would be plenty of key defenders picked up with late picks.

Then we could look at targeting a first round tall or two in the 2023/ 24 drafts after topping up on higher ranked mids and flankers this year and next. By then Adams and Daniher will be 30 plus and spots might start to open up after a year or two.
 
briztoon said:
Normally we draft for need with our late picks.

In saying that, I don’t believe this is the draft to be considering KPP’s in the later rounds.

Just looking at the draft from a strategic view, I’d be looking at the best mid available at our first pick, best KPP at our second pick, and best HBF or utility at our third pick.

If we’re confident one of Alleer or Bazzo will still be available in the early second round, I would consider moving back a few spots if it secured us a future second round pick. Say looking at Geelong’s first selection at pick 22 (24), plus their future second round pick, and we send a future fourth round pick back.
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I agree with the draft strategy you proposed.
Pick 1- best mid available
Pick 2- best kpp available
Pick 3- best hbf/utility.

I would lean towards a kpf at Pick 2.

When looking at it, it's directly replacing Joyce, Ballenden n B Smith, like for like.

Also not opposed to the idea of upgrading Madden off the rookie list with a late pick (our 3rd pick in draft, say pick 70) to open up a spot for another project tall kpp or maybe a desisted talent. That may alter pick 1 from a mid to mid/hbf wingman type, eg Sinn. Could allow us to package a 1st rnd pick + 41 n 54 to sneak up n get one. Would also give Madden a bit more confidence and certainty in his ability n future.
 
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Quigley said:
Who of our reserves KPFs has ever kicked even a moderate amount of goals at any level? There are none and personally I see that as the biggest gap in our list.
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I agree with that to an extent although if there’s an injury to a forward in the best 22 I don’t believe we need to bring in a goal kicker, we’ve got plenty of scoring in our team already and none of our forwards in the best 22 are old which is why I don’t have a problem waiting a couple years to bring in a genuine KPF. KPD on the other hand we have one in the reserves (Payne) and if he’s played over or Gardiner is injured at any stage it leaves no other KPD in the reserves.
 
To be fair our reserves at the moment is not a functioning team. How often does the ball even makes into our forward fifty? I am more interested in accuracy from our forwards and where they have kicked it from ie degree of difficulty, leading patterns and defensive efforts.
 
Hugh stag, anyone know much about him? SEN have an article linking us and the Bulldogs who have shown the most interest in him according to young Hugh.
 
Berrygood said:
I agree with the draft strategy you proposed.
Pick 1- best mid available
Pick 2- best kpp available
Pick 3- best hbf/utility.

I would lean towards a kpf at Pick 2.

When looking at it, it's directly replacing Joyce, Ballenden n B Smith, like for like.

Also not opposed to the idea of upgrading Madden off the rookie list with a late pick (our 3rd pick in draft, say pick 70) to open up a spot for another project tall kpp or maybe a desisted talent. That may alter pick 1 from a mid to mid/hbf wingman type, eg Sinn. Could allow us to package a 1st rnd pick + 41 n 54 to sneak up n get one. Would also give Madden a bit more confidence and certainty in his ability n future.
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Unfortunately there aren’t any KPF worth looking at with either of our first two picks.

For those talking about Van Rooyen as a potential swing KPP, he measured 193cm at the WA combine. I just don’t see him as a KPF at afl level.
 

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Nuggo said:
To be fair our reserves at the moment is not a functioning team. How often does the ball even makes into our forward fifty? I am more interested in accuracy from our forwards and where they have kicked it from ie degree of difficulty, leading patterns and defensive efforts.
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correct a few games I watched the ball spent more time at the other end
Where again with injuries we used top ups. Ballenden played back although I did not think he played a tight KPD more the Birchall/Rich role with some nice intercepting.
 
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He sounds like he would a solid pickup for any club (if selected) but do we really need another small forward/midfielder type player at the club cause I feel like we have a boundless supply of those small forwards who can spend some minutes in the midfield at our club already?

I think looking at the 3 picks we most likely will use providing we don't trade them (14, 18 & 41), I would be choosing the following players, if they are still on the board at our time to decide:

Pick 14- Sinn - Chesser - Wilmot (Half-Back/Midfielder Players)
Pick 18- Van Rooyen - Bazzo - Alleer (Key Position Players)
Pick 41- Banks - Dean - Hammelmann - Kolar - Voss (Overage Players)

Personally, I can't see us choosing more than one midfielder this year at the draft table (at most), given the fact that Ashcroft & Fletcher will be probably first/second round talent players coming to us next year and they both play in their midfield/winger roles respectfully, therefore I believe that we would most likely select the best available half-back/midfielder player at Pick 14 and then stock up on our KPP/Utility depth with our latter 2 picks of the draft (pick 18 & 41) to help boost the development of our club in the long-term future.
 
Don't think Johnson gets past WCE.Have heard him and Erasmus are the 2 the Eagles would like at pick 12 and both are WCE supporters. If both are gone we may look at Goater.
 
bradee said:
Don't think Johnson gets past WCE.Have heard him and Erasmus are the 2 the Eagles would like at pick 12 and both are WCE supporters. If both are gone we may look at Goater.
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Pretty much as expected.

I believe Erasmus goes top 10, possibly as early as Adelaide.

The Rachelle to Fremantle link puzzles me. I don’t see it personally, but if they want a creative half forward, he appears the best one in the draft.
 
briztoon said:
Pretty much as expected.

I believe Erasmus goes top 10, possibly as early as Adelaide.

The Rachelle to Fremantle link puzzles me. I don’t see it personally, but if they want a creative half forward, he appears the best one in the draft.
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I think Freo go with Erasmus and Amiss if both are still there,have no idea what the saints will do,we will most likely take Johnson at out pick.

If you guys are after a tall ,I would take Van Rooyen,can play forward or back,and I dont think he's a reach at 14 either,I think he's very underrated.The talk here in WA is the dockers want him at 19 and may be prepared to trade up for him if required.
 

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