Analysis 2021 draft thread

[briztoon]

I will concede that the end product called the mid-season draft was not solely for older ready to play AFL players
It took a long time for the AFL to concede and come up with their usual "herbs & spices" fix to reintroduce the midseason draft.
Link below for formula

However their were many years of discussion from clubs & coaches to reintroduce a midseason draft to cover unprecedented injuries
Link below of Alastair Clarkson going way back to 2009 discussing the issue. There would be many others over the years since then
My recollections are these discussions were to fill a spot on the best 22. Their was no other reason for coaches to bring this up.
It was the best 22 injuries during the current season being their concern, not to fill a spot on the reserves side or draft for the future
Anyhow that is my recollection of the talks and articles over a long period of time

Regarding the bolded (2) from your reply
We have only had 2 mid season drafts since 1993 so when you say "every mid season draft" their were only 2 in 28 years.
Regarding "plug and play, best 22 players.

Players from 2019: Their were 13 selections
Ryan Gardiner 22 years (Dogs) 21 games. Played in 3 finals
Will Snelling 21 years (Bombers) 41 games. Played in 2 finals
Marion Pickett 27 years (Tigers) 38 games. Played in 5 finals including 2 premierships
John Nobel 22 years (Pies) 44 games. Played in 4 finals

Players from 2021: Their were 22 selections. Maximum H & A games they could play was 11 depending on Club's bye round and arrival at club
Jai Newcombe 20 years (Hawks) 7 games
Sam Durham 19 years (Bombers) 7 games. Played in 1 final
Matthew Parker 25 years (Tigers) 6 games
Cooper Sharman 20 years (Saints) 5 games. Received 1 Brownlow vote
Connor West 22 years (Eagles) 5 games
James Peatling 20 years (Giants) 4 games. Played in 1 final

I still believe we took Lane (6 month contract) as a free hit rather than an unknown in the upcoming draft.
The club would not have been thinking of bringing in a 25+ years ruck for 2021 having Archie still on the list and fit to play

Clarkson wants mid-season draft

Hawthorn coach Alastair Clarkson says he would like to see a mid-season draft to help sides battling with injuries

www.afl.com.au

Mid-season draft: Your questions answered

When is the draft, how will it work, and can the Hawks get Cyril Rioli?

www.afl.com.au

Pickett played in 1 game in 2019.

I’m still pretty comfortable with my statement that there’s probably 3 mature age players, who are genuine best 22 players available every year.

That doesn’t mean there aren’t others who are good squad depth.

How many of this year’s mid season draftees would have cracked our best 22?

Maybe Sharman who could have played Rayner’s position.

 

[Section 5]

Pickett played in 1 game in 2019.

I’m still pretty comfortable with my statement that there’s probably 3 mature age players, who are genuine best 22 players available every year.

That doesn’t mean there aren’t others who are good squad depth.

How many of this year’s mid season draftees would have cracked our best 22?

Maybe Sharman who could have played Rayner’s position.

Gee i just named them all.
You repeated the "available every year" when their has only been 2 midseason drafts in 28 years
I chose the players from those 2 years as going back to the 1990 to 1993 period is not relevant
How many non genuine players actually play in finals in such a short period of time being 2.5 years and 0.5 year.
Players i mentioned all obviously made best 22 for the clubs that chose them. Most likely because of injuries sustained during the year
Which was the whole point of my comments on the midseason draft to start with.

The conversation was not about who would have "cracked our best 22?" from this years midseason draft
Below your comment from post 1170. Nothing about making the Lions best 22 team
"You would be lucky if there were 3 genuine ready to plug and play, best 22 players in any mid season draft."

Also the whole AFL world knows that Pickett only played 1 game in 2019 and arguably should have won the Norm Smith
Are you saying only the games played in that first half season matter and not the rest of their career. Not sure why you mentioned Pickett at all.
The games i quoted from that years draft is how many AFL games they have played to date.
If they were not up to scratch they would have only played a couple before being dropped.

 

[briztoon]

Gee i just named them all.
You repeated the "available every year" when their has only been 2 midseason drafts in 28 years
I chose the players from those 2 years as going back to the 1990 to 1993 period is not relevant
How many non genuine players actually play in finals in such a short period of time being 2.5 years and 0.5 year.
Players i mentioned all obviously made best 22 for the clubs that chose them. Most likely because of injuries sustained during the year
Which was the whole point of my comments on the midseason draft to start with.

The conversation was not about who would have "cracked our best 22?" from this years midseason draft
Below your comment from post 1170. Nothing about making the Lions best 22 team
"You would be lucky if there were 3 genuine ready to plug and play, best 22 players in any mid season draft."

Also the whole AFL world knows that Pickett only played 1 game in 2019 and arguably should have won the Norm Smith
Are you saying only the games played in that first half season matter and not the rest of their career. Not sure why you mentioned Pickett at all.
The games i quoted from that years draft is how many AFL games they have played to date.
If they were not up to scratch they would have only played a couple before being dropped.

Your reading a lot more in to my comment.

As I said, I’m comfortable with my statement. That doesn’t mean, more players don’t improve after they’re drafted, and crack a team the year after they are drafted.

 

[Berrygood]

What's happening with Charlie Constable

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Charlie Constable

Age

25

Ht

192cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.4

5star

K

9.0

3star

HB

12.4

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

3.7

5star

No current season stats available

D

22.4

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

12.4

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

? Would he be worth picking up in the rookie draft? Using a late pick to upgrade Madden to open the rookie spot up. How would it change our first 2 draft picks? I think I read or heard that rookie contracts are outside the Salary cap, is that right?

He's at a good age, has talent. At worst he's depth for a cpl of years. CEY must see the writing on the wall that next yr is his Iast yr, an upgrade there. He's could be better than Matho in the long run and if Neale was to flip again and want to go next yr or if a long term injury pops up, we have a more mature option to add to the midfield mix. You never know, he might explode and show the potential he had all along.

Now, don't crucify me for the thought. Just some late night pondering. I don't even know what Constables deal is at the moment, but he's been delisted and you'd reckon he'd be keen to carry on anywhere. I think the idea has a bit of merit, I think it strengthens the mid depth and potential going fwd (God I hate 'going fwd', but I said it). A lot of questions grasshoppers, but there is a lot of time to kill before the draft.

 

[Nunez]

What's happening with Charlie Constable? Would he be worth picking up in the rookie draft? Using a late pick to upgrade Madden to open the rookie spot up. How would it change our first 2 draft picks? I think I read or heard that rookie contracts are outside the Salary cap, is that right?

He's at a good age, has talent. At worst he's depth for a cpl of years. CEY must see the writing on the wall that next yr is his Iast yr, an upgrade there. He's could be better than Matho in the long run and if Neale was to flip again and want to go next yr or if a long term injury pops up, we have a more mature option to add to the midfield mix. You never know, he might explode and show the potential he had all along.

Now, don't crucify me for the thought. Just some late night pondering. I don't even know what Constables deal is at the moment, but he's been delisted and you'd reckon he'd be keen to carry on anywhere. I think the idea has a bit of merit, I think it strengthens the mid depth and potential going fwd (God I hate 'going fwd', but I said it). A lot of questions grasshoppers, but there is a lot of time to kill before the draft.

Not AFL quality. Can't run from contest to contest.

 

[briztoon]

What's happening with Charlie Constable? Would he be worth picking up in the rookie draft? Using a late pick to upgrade Madden to open the rookie spot up. How would it change our first 2 draft picks? I think I read or heard that rookie contracts are outside the Salary cap, is that right?

He's at a good age, has talent. At worst he's depth for a cpl of years. CEY must see the writing on the wall that next yr is his Iast yr, an upgrade there. He's could be better than Matho in the long run and if Neale was to flip again and want to go next yr or if a long term injury pops up, we have a more mature option to add to the midfield mix. You never know, he might explode and show the potential he had all along.

Now, don't crucify me for the thought. Just some late night pondering. I don't even know what Constables deal is at the moment, but he's been delisted and you'd reckon he'd be keen to carry on anywhere. I think the idea has a bit of merit, I think it strengthens the mid depth and potential going fwd (God I hate 'going fwd', but I said it). A lot of questions grasshoppers, but there is a lot of time to kill before the draft.

Why would we draft another extremely slow inside mid?

It’s not like we’re actually short of inside mids in the reserves.

We have Deven Robertson, Mathieson, Ely Smith, CEY and Tom Berry who are inside mids at reserves level.

Constable is a worse runner than everyone on our list. That’s why he was delisted by Geelong.

 

[jackess]

What's happening with Charlie Constable? Would he be worth picking up in the rookie draft? Using a late pick to upgrade Madden to open the rookie spot up. How would it change our first 2 draft picks? I think I read or heard that rookie contracts are outside the Salary cap, is that right?

He's at a good age, has talent. At worst he's depth for a cpl of years. CEY must see the writing on the wall that next yr is his Iast yr, an upgrade there. He's could be better than Matho in the long run and if Neale was to flip again and want to go next yr or if a long term injury pops up, we have a more mature option to add to the midfield mix. You never know, he might explode and show the potential he had all along.

Now, don't crucify me for the thought. Just some late night pondering. I don't even know what Constables deal is at the moment, but he's been delisted and you'd reckon he'd be keen to carry on anywhere. I think the idea has a bit of merit, I think it strengthens the mid depth and potential going fwd (God I hate 'going fwd', but I said it). A lot of questions grasshoppers, but there is a lot of time to kill before the draft.

We already have Geelongs best VFL footballer

 

[Berrygood]

Why would we draft another extremely slow inside mid?

It’s not like we’re actually short of inside mids in the reserves.

We have Deven Robertson, Mathieson, Ely Smith, CEY and Tom Berry who are inside mids at reserves level.

Constable is a worse runner than everyone on our list. That’s why he was delisted by Geelong.

Would there be any delisted free agents you would consider in that scenario? Anyone worth throwing a lifeline to?

 

[POBT]

Would there be any delisted free agents you would consider in that scenario? Anyone worth throwing a lifeline to?

I really can't see us looking outside the draft. I think we need to be thinking long term and looking for 10 year players.

 

[briztoon]

Would there be any delisted free agents you would consider in that scenario? Anyone worth throwing a lifeline to?

I haven’t seen a list of all the delisted free agents.

Are there any tall forwards worth looking at?

Depends on what happens at the draft, but I’d rather move our draft picks around to target specific players or positions of need.

 

[InFaganWeTrust]

I hate to say it, but I would love Jared Polec

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Jared Polec

Age

32

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.6

5star

K

12.9

5star

HB

7.7

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.0

4star

D

20.5

5star

K

13.1

5star

HB

7.4

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.1

4star

CL

2.9

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.4

4star

to come and play on the wing for us for a few years...

 

[Sproj]

I hate to say it, but I would love Jared Polec to come and play on the wing for us for a few years...

Yeah based on ability but then you are also looking at the way overpriced wage and it just makes it an absolute no.

 

[mpal6]

I hate to say it, but I would love Jared Polec to come and play on the wing for us for a few years...

Won't fit us anymore I think.
Doesn't do the defensive and body on the line aspects that we have built into our winger role.

 

[blueiris]

I hate to say it, but I would love Jared Polec to come and play on the wing for us for a few years...

North still owe him Minimum of $2 million dollars apparently and the Lions don’t have that kind of money and even if they did there are so many better players they could save that money for

 

[BuntonRules]

I hate to say it, but I would love Jared Polec to come and play on the wing for us for a few years...

Can we bring back Fevo too?

 

[scoman]

Sooo the draft hey......

 

[jjami15]

Really found this stat about Mitch Owens eye opening where he went at 76.3 per cent disposal efficiency across the season despite winning close to half of his possessions in a contest. The last fact about his ability to being able to win such a high number of his possessions in a contest when he has played as an ‘outside’ type does make him as an interesting prospect. There is vision out now as well and he doesn’t shirk the contest and goes back with the flight of the ball as well.

 

[mattsmob]

Really found this stat about Mitch Owens eye opening where he went at 76.3 per cent disposal efficiency across the season despite winning close to half of his possessions in a contest. The last fact about his ability to being able to win such a high number of his possessions in a contest when he has played as an ‘outside’ type does make him as an interesting prospect. There is vision out now as well and he doesn’t shirk the contest and goes back with the flight of the ball as well.

I haven't watched him during many full games but I know he's a big body, what's his athleticism look like? I'm not sure if we need a standard big bodied mid just for the sake of it unless they have some really standout traits.

 

[briztoon]

Really found this stat about Mitch Owens eye opening where he went at 76.3 per cent disposal efficiency across the season despite winning close to half of his possessions in a contest. The last fact about his ability to being able to win such a high number of his possessions in a contest when he has played as an ‘outside’ type does make him as an interesting prospect. There is vision out now as well and he doesn’t shirk the contest and goes back with the flight of the ball as well.

Was he played as an outside mid?

Sandringham have that many outside types, that someone had to play inside.

Simply haven’t seen enough of him to have any type of feel for him.

 

[Section 5]

The huge financial sacrifice AFL clubs make to draft a player

“For your first wage, it’s awesome.”

www.sen.com.au

 

[briztoon]

I haven't watched him during many full games but I know he's a big body, what's his athleticism look like? I'm not sure if we need a standard big bodied mid just for the sake of it unless they have some really standout traits.

Reading the AFL Draft Central bio, he reads like a Lions type player.

Mitch Owens Draft Profile

central.rookieme.com

 

[Dalions]

Reading the AFL Draft Central bio, he reads like a Lions type player.

Mitch Owens Draft Profile

central.rookieme.com

Still looking for that long term replacement for Mitch.

 

[mattsmob]

Still looking for that long term replacement for Mitch.

I may be in the minority but I wouldn't replace Mitch with a like for like, with our inside mids I'd be trying to find a really classy outside mid/winger.

 

[mattsmob]

Reading the AFL Draft Central bio, he reads like a Lions type player.

Mitch Owens Draft Profile

central.rookieme.com

He does, I wouldn't be too disappointed if we ended up with him but I think I'd prefer others at both our picks.

 

[briztoon]

He does, I wouldn't be too disappointed if we ended up with him but I think I'd prefer others at both our picks.

“If” we got Sinn at our first pick, and held on to 20, can’t think of many other players I’d prefer at 20.