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Interesting to read that Scrimshaw and Cousins were on the orange team. I would have thought they would both be on the blue team.

As always, thanks for the report!
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You'll find that in these games the best forwards and defenders have to be on opposite teams to give both the best contest. That would explain Scrimshaw.

Cousins surprises me a little. I see from the photos that Harry Morrison was in the blue team. All due respect to Harry but I'd picking Cuz first if I was in charge of team selection.
 

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He looks ready to go
 
With patton seemingly done, gunston injured, no option of Sicily forward either.

I didn't have much faith in patton anyway but we will relying heavily on untried and unreliable players to kick goals. Lewis, Obrien, kosi and Jeka are our kpf options with reeves to play ruck/forward if Ceglar and McEvoy missing.

Who of the 4 do you think will make it? Good to have a few choices, we need to play them heaps to find out who can do it or draft/trade in another.
 
Blackhawk42 said:
You'll find that in these games the best forwards and defenders have to be on opposite teams to give both the best contest. That would explain Scrimshaw.

Cousins surprises me a little. I see from the photos that Harry Morrison was in the blue team. All due respect to Harry but I'd picking Cuz first if I was in charge of team selection.
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Can't believe that I forgot to mention Harry. He was very good all day for the blue team. He was pushing up from half back and was responsible for a lot of the attacking forays by the blue team. He read the play well and distributed the ball effectively all day. I've really liked his work this pre season and would have him in the team.
 
The_Axeman said:
Can't believe that I forgot to mention Harry. He was very good all day for the blue team. He was pushing up from half back and was responsible for a lot of the attacking forays by the blue team. He read the play well and distributed the ball effectively all day. I've really liked his work this pre season and would have him in the team.
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Out of curiosity Axe what would your Round 1 team be based on availabilities/preseason form? Seems to be a real logjam at halfback.
 

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O'Brien kicked 6 goals (please don't tease me anymore Timmy), Lewis 3, Moore 2 and Kosi 1. Worpel listed BOG so he must have had a massive game.

Brockman named BOG for the orange. 'Unlisted' kicked 3 goals and based on the Axeman's reports I'm assuming that's Callow - good on the lad.
 
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O'Brien kicked 6 goals (please don't tease me anymore Timmy), Lewis 3, Moore 2 and Kosi 1. Worpel listed BOG so he must have had a massive game.

Brockman named BOG for the orange. 'Unlisted' kicked 3 goals and based on the Axeman's reports I'm assuming that's Callow - good on the lad.
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Don’t get your hopes up on O’Brien , he will never do it in a game that matters. Some will take it as harsh and have a sook but it’s the truth.
 
The_Axeman said:
It was a warm and sunny morning at waverley with a light cool breeze, great conditions for an intra-club game.

Orange V Blue with Blue being the A team and Orange being the B team with the exception of a few best 22 players players such as Greaves and Scrimshaw playing on the Orange team.

There was quite a crowd of onlookers which included the CEO, El Presidente, List manager, Footy Boss and a bunch of others, plus some of the players wives and girlfriends.

4 x 25 minute quarters with the clock being stopped at the appropriate times, 3 AFL umpires present, so this was pretty much match conditions and played as close to match intensity as you will see during pre-season.

Forwards for the blue team were Kosi, Lewis, TOB, Breust and Moore playing on Denver, Hartley, Greaves and Scrimshaw in defence for Orange.

Forwards for the orange team were Jeka, Brockman, Morris, Nash & Hanrahan playing on Hartigan, Frost, Hardwick, Day, Impey & CJ in defence for Blue.

The orange team got off to a flyer getting the first few goals through Jeka & Morris before Blue clawed their way back to be just a couple of points behind at qtr time. The blue team blew Orange away in the second qtr kicking 8 goals and from there it never got close score wise (final scores were something like 110 to 50), however Orange were far more competitive than the score would indicate.

I'll go though the players 1 by 1 with the blue team first:

Dylan Moore was close to Best On Ground for the Blue team. His workrate was incredible, running between the middle and the goals and impacting In both positions. He just seemed to be everywhere. Kicked at least 3 goals, maybe 4, laid tackles, did the in and under stuff, took some really great overhead grabs. He never faded out, was consistent across all four quarters.

Connor Downie switched between wing, mid and forward for the blue team and was excellent in all roles. He beat Maginess on the wing (more on maginess later) kicked a couple of goals as a forward and was not out of his depth as a mid. He has very much put himself forward for a spot in Rd 1.

Tom Philips was outstanding playing on the wing for the blue team. He racked up the possessions and always used the ball superbly. He kicks low and direct, can break and lay a tackle and is tough. Ran hard for all four quarters. Pick 64? Thanks Collingwood :tearsofjoy:

Shiels played a blinder for the blue team. Was probably the best inside mid on the ground although Worpel gave him a run for his money. Worps was also outstanding. Between the two of them nobody else had a look in with the clearances for much of the game.

JOM (in the blue) was playing more of an outside role including time on the wing. Everything he did was class. He does still have a burst of speed which he used effectively and his disposal was perfect today. Amazing how good his disposal is when he has a bit of space.

Chad was good, not as prominent today with Worps and Shiels dominating for the Blue team. I se ethat as a good thing - not having to reky in Chad to get all of the clearances.

Impey was electrifying off half back and another candidate for best on ground. In one piece of play he gathered a ground ball in a 1 v 3 contest at half back on the wing, put the jets on and took off down the wing right past where we were standing, took two running bounces then delivered to Lewis 30 metres away at half forward who kicked it perfectly to Moore in the forward pocket for a goal. He combined well with Will Day in the first half, the two of them breaking the lines over and over again.

Will Day was excellent in the first half. Along with Impey, they gave the Orange forwards very little chance to keep the ball in their fwd 50. Day & Impey together was an exhilarating combination running out of defence.

Kosi was imposing amd dangerous at half forward, playing more as the link man. He took a number of really difficult contested and overhead marks, and if couldn't mark he smashed the pack and created a contest. Kicked 1 goal that I know of. He is a big fella and it seems like he is really learning how to use his size to impact the contest as well as backing himself to take the grabs.

TOB is one of the stories of the day for me. Timmy Almost became Timmy Pretty Much Everything. Somebody must have told him we were playing Melbourne because he was marking everything that came his way. One grab contested marks, overhead, diving marks, EVERYTHING. Nailed Most of his set shots as well. At least 3 goals for TOB today. Imagine if he could produce that more often.

Breust was just doing what Breust does.

Burgoyne did what Burgoyne does.

Lewis had some outstanding moments today with good one grab contested marking. Conversion wasn't awesome but after today I feel like he is not far from really tearing it up. Maybe against the bulldogs next week???

McEvoy didn't ruck much. He actually spent time at CHF for Blue team and was on the bench a lot. I'm guessing he was on very limited minutes. Loved listening to him talk to all the boys on the bench and the coaches. Inspirational choice as captain in my opinion.

Ceglar did most of the ruck work for Blue and won fairly easily against Reeves and Brooksby. Reeves was not bad but watches his opponent too much rather than the ball which gave Ceglar the upper hand. Ceglar's work around the ground was also good.

Frosty in defence was solid. Hartigan was very good.

CJ was great again today. The only downer being the occasional horrendous turnover by foot that you know he is going to give, yet he really seems to be becoming a much more complete footballer. He is not just X factor anymore. I would still have him in the team.

Howe was good alternating between halfback and the middle. Got plenty of the ball and used it well. Laid some good hard tackles.


Orange Team:

Firstly I want to talk about Maginess. Not because he was one of the best for Orange but because i finally got a really good look at how he goes about it. What i realised today is that Finn is an inside mid. That is where he really excels and that is where his natural game is. For some reason i have been thinking of him as an outside mid and even a potential wingman. Downie towelled him up on the wing today but when Finn went into the guts he had a real impact. He was getting clearances in the middle but then running forward to get into position to receive the ball which gave multiple shots on goal. As the game went on and the weather got hotter, Finn's endurance elevated his performance. He had a 10 minute stint in the third quarter where was the dominant player for Orange playing as a center square mid. When he was moved back to the wing he faded out again.

Greaves (orange in the first half, Blue in the second) was outstanding again. Clean, decisive, evasive, unflustered, perfect disposal, tough.

Jeka was very busy as the key forward for Orange team. Could have had three goals by quarter time if he hadn't of slipped over twice. Considering the limited opportunities he had, he did very well. He worked extremely hard and always made a contest. Showed some more of that elite field kicking again today on two occasions which led to two goals. Took a couple of nice grabs. Like Lewis, I feel that Jeka is very close to having a massive game.

Brockman playing as a small forward for Orange was excellent again today. He even went down back in the second half for a while and was very good. He is composed and is an elite kick. Another one that i would pencil in for Rnd 1 or very early debut. Hanrahan out Brockman in???

Speaking of Hanrahan, Oli did as he often does and bobbed up for some scintillating moments, deft handballs and knock ons, evading three opposition players with ease, a few goal assists, but then disappears for long periods. Kicked at least one goal.

Morris started really well with the first goal of the game. he faded in and out a bit. He is a genuine excitement machine when he gets involved but doesn't stay consistently involved.

Hartley played really well as the KPD for Orange. Took a lot of intercept marks and generally used the ball really well when kicking out of defence. Was really vocal with encouraging and directing the younger guys.

Callow really showed something today. Very reliable pair of hands, high work rate, good disposal and very tough. He flew for a mark on the wing and got absolutely crunched when he was at full stretch. Took the wind right out of his sails but he got up and kept going straight away. Was a good target inside 50. Took some good grabs and kicked a couple I think. I like him and would be happy to add him to the list. I reckon he did his prospects no harm today.

Will Bravo was also very good. He was busy all day. Got plenty of it and used it well.

Denver was solid in defence but on this occasion TOB won the day. He did show his talent and skill on a number of occasions using his position and reading of the play to spoil and repel, but overall a quiet one for Denver.

Scrimshaw went off early but was solid. Pulled off a couple of kicks that required dead eye accuracy to break the play open.

The longer the game went, the better Cousins got. He and Finn really kept Orange in it in the last quarter. Cuz was winning clearances and bursting away, working well in tandem with Finn. Cuz worked hard all day. Solid performance overall.

I think there were approx 6 (maybe 8) Box Hill boys out there as well.

Non starters - Gunners, Sic, Pepper, Saunders, Seamus Mitchell, T Mitchell. Seamus did a lot of running.

Shout out to houdinhuddo with the binoculars helping to identify players.

Please keep this all in context. It was a very lopsided contest. I'm just reporting what I saw.

That's it from me.

Enjoy.
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YOU are Awesome Axeman, Thank you for the report.
 
The_Axeman said:
It was a warm and sunny morning at waverley with a light cool breeze, great conditions for an intra-club game.

Orange V Blue with Blue being the A team and Orange being the B team with the exception of a few best 22 players players such as Greaves and Scrimshaw playing on the Orange team.

There was quite a crowd of onlookers which included the CEO, El Presidente, List manager, Footy Boss and a bunch of others, plus some of the players wives and girlfriends.

4 x 25 minute quarters with the clock being stopped at the appropriate times, 3 AFL umpires present, so this was pretty much match conditions and played as close to match intensity as you will see during pre-season.

Forwards for the blue team were Kosi, Lewis, TOB, Breust and Moore playing on Denver, Hartley, Greaves and Scrimshaw in defence for Orange.

Forwards for the orange team were Jeka, Brockman, Morris, Nash & Hanrahan playing on Hartigan, Frost, Hardwick, Day, Impey & CJ in defence for Blue.

The orange team got off to a flyer getting the first few goals through Jeka & Morris before Blue clawed their way back to be just a couple of points behind at qtr time. The blue team blew Orange away in the second qtr kicking 8 goals and from there it never got close score wise (final scores were something like 110 to 50), however Orange were far more competitive than the score would indicate.

I'll go though the players 1 by 1 with the blue team first:

Dylan Moore was close to Best On Ground for the Blue team. His workrate was incredible, running between the middle and the goals and impacting In both positions. He just seemed to be everywhere. Kicked at least 3 goals, maybe 4, laid tackles, did the in and under stuff, took some really great overhead grabs. He never faded out, was consistent across all four quarters.

Connor Downie switched between wing, mid and forward for the blue team and was excellent in all roles. He beat Maginess on the wing (more on maginess later) kicked a couple of goals as a forward and was not out of his depth as a mid. He has very much put himself forward for a spot in Rd 1.

Tom Philips was outstanding playing on the wing for the blue team. He racked up the possessions and always used the ball superbly. He kicks low and direct, can break and lay a tackle and is tough. Ran hard for all four quarters. Pick 64? Thanks Collingwood :tearsofjoy:

Shiels played a blinder for the blue team. Was probably the best inside mid on the ground although Worpel gave him a run for his money. Worps was also outstanding. Between the two of them nobody else had a look in with the clearances for much of the game.

JOM (in the blue) was playing more of an outside role including time on the wing. Everything he did was class. He does still have a burst of speed which he used effectively and his disposal was perfect today. Amazing how good his disposal is when he has a bit of space.

Chad was good, not as prominent today with Worps and Shiels dominating for the Blue team. I se ethat as a good thing - not having to reky in Chad to get all of the clearances.

Impey was electrifying off half back and another candidate for best on ground. In one piece of play he gathered a ground ball in a 1 v 3 contest at half back on the wing, put the jets on and took off down the wing right past where we were standing, took two running bounces then delivered to Lewis 30 metres away at half forward who kicked it perfectly to Moore in the forward pocket for a goal. He combined well with Will Day in the first half, the two of them breaking the lines over and over again.

Will Day was excellent in the first half. Along with Impey, they gave the Orange forwards very little chance to keep the ball in their fwd 50. Day & Impey together was an exhilarating combination running out of defence.

Kosi was imposing amd dangerous at half forward, playing more as the link man. He took a number of really difficult contested and overhead marks, and if couldn't mark he smashed the pack and created a contest. Kicked 1 goal that I know of. He is a big fella and it seems like he is really learning how to use his size to impact the contest as well as backing himself to take the grabs.

TOB is one of the stories of the day for me. Timmy Almost became Timmy Pretty Much Everything. Somebody must have told him we were playing Melbourne because he was marking everything that came his way. One grab contested marks, overhead, diving marks, EVERYTHING. Nailed Most of his set shots as well. At least 3 goals for TOB today. Imagine if he could produce that more often.

Breust was just doing what Breust does.

Burgoyne did what Burgoyne does.

Lewis had some outstanding moments today with good one grab contested marking. Conversion wasn't awesome but after today I feel like he is not far from really tearing it up. Maybe against the bulldogs next week???

McEvoy didn't ruck much. He actually spent time at CHF for Blue team and was on the bench a lot. I'm guessing he was on very limited minutes. Loved listening to him talk to all the boys on the bench and the coaches. Inspirational choice as captain in my opinion.

Ceglar did most of the ruck work for Blue and won fairly easily against Reeves and Brooksby. Reeves was not bad but watches his opponent too much rather than the ball which gave Ceglar the upper hand. Ceglar's work around the ground was also good.

Frosty in defence was solid. Hartigan was very good.

CJ was great again today. The only downer being the occasional horrendous turnover by foot that you know he is going to give, yet he really seems to be becoming a much more complete footballer. He is not just X factor anymore. I would still have him in the team.

Howe was good alternating between halfback and the middle. Got plenty of the ball and used it well. Laid some good hard tackles.


Orange Team:

Firstly I want to talk about Maginess. Not because he was one of the best for Orange but because i finally got a really good look at how he goes about it. What i realised today is that Finn is an inside mid. That is where he really excels and that is where his natural game is. For some reason i have been thinking of him as an outside mid and even a potential wingman. Downie towelled him up on the wing today but when Finn went into the guts he had a real impact. He was getting clearances in the middle but then running forward to get into position to receive the ball which gave multiple shots on goal. As the game went on and the weather got hotter, Finn's endurance elevated his performance. He had a 10 minute stint in the third quarter where was the dominant player for Orange playing as a center square mid. When he was moved back to the wing he faded out again.

Greaves (orange in the first half, Blue in the second) was outstanding again. Clean, decisive, evasive, unflustered, perfect disposal, tough.

Jeka was very busy as the key forward for Orange team. Could have had three goals by quarter time if he hadn't of slipped over twice. Considering the limited opportunities he had, he did very well. He worked extremely hard and always made a contest. Showed some more of that elite field kicking again today on two occasions which led to two goals. Took a couple of nice grabs. Like Lewis, I feel that Jeka is very close to having a massive game.

Brockman playing as a small forward for Orange was excellent again today. He even went down back in the second half for a while and was very good. He is composed and is an elite kick. Another one that i would pencil in for Rnd 1 or very early debut. Hanrahan out Brockman in???

Speaking of Hanrahan, Oli did as he often does and bobbed up for some scintillating moments, deft handballs and knock ons, evading three opposition players with ease, a few goal assists, but then disappears for long periods. Kicked at least one goal.

Morris started really well with the first goal of the game. he faded in and out a bit. He is a genuine excitement machine when he gets involved but doesn't stay consistently involved.

Hartley played really well as the KPD for Orange. Took a lot of intercept marks and generally used the ball really well when kicking out of defence. Was really vocal with encouraging and directing the younger guys.

Callow really showed something today. Very reliable pair of hands, high work rate, good disposal and very tough. He flew for a mark on the wing and got absolutely crunched when he was at full stretch. Took the wind right out of his sails but he got up and kept going straight away. Was a good target inside 50. Took some good grabs and kicked a couple I think. I like him and would be happy to add him to the list. I reckon he did his prospects no harm today.

Will Bravo was also very good. He was busy all day. Got plenty of it and used it well.

Denver was solid in defence but on this occasion TOB won the day. He did show his talent and skill on a number of occasions using his position and reading of the play to spoil and repel, but overall a quiet one for Denver.

Scrimshaw went off early but was solid. Pulled off a couple of kicks that required dead eye accuracy to break the play open.

The longer the game went, the better Cousins got. He and Finn really kept Orange in it in the last quarter. Cuz was winning clearances and bursting away, working well in tandem with Finn. Cuz worked hard all day. Solid performance overall.

I think there were approx 6 (maybe 8) Box Hill boys out there as well.

Non starters - Gunners, Sic, Pepper, Saunders, Seamus Mitchell, T Mitchell. Seamus did a lot of running.

Shout out to houdinhuddo with the binoculars helping to identify players.

Please keep this all in context. It was a very lopsided contest. I'm just reporting what I saw.

That's it from me.

Enjoy.
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Mate, couple of quick questions for you.

1. Were the forwards or at least some of them staying inside the fwd 50? Or still all pushing right up the ground/

And

2. Did the new man on the mark rule seem to have an impact? Were there many 50m penalties given because of it?

Thanks again mate.
 
Judd2Sewell said:
Get him in the team already
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Some players long term development could be reduced by playing them early but I feel Downie will actually flourish given the chance.

Every time the coaches talk about him they mention his level head and abity to learn and he has an AFL ready body so I am for him getting a decent whack of games in 2021.
 

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