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AFLW 2024 - Round 9 - Indigenous Round - Chat, game threads, injury lists, team lineups and more.
You would probably look little next to those boys too, even SlimGov.Yeah i know they just dont look like Women. they look like little girls
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But if we bring in Williams we’re lumped with Kennedy-Darling-Allen-Naitanui-Williams. Waterman is too good not to play, but how can he in that line up?
How can Brander ever get a game? In the back line, presumably, but where does that leave Rotham as the logical third tall?
We’ll be relying on injuries to allow us to play a balanced line up as we’re unlikely to have the stones to make the difficult calls.
FreeTK I see Rotham as a staple in the backline for the next decade and I don’t see Brander pushing him out for that role.
Waterman to the wing is just another example of playing somebody out of position because of an unbalanced list.Waterman to the wing for me. He is too good not to play and allows us to bring Baily in to second ruck. He also seems built for the modern wing role. Completely agree with Asterix here.
Don’t forget Jamaine Jones as a potential small forward / mid rotation. He may not be a walk up start but in the small sample we saw, he showed a lot.
I have had this same discussion about 1000 times on this board, and your opinion seems to be the majority opinion amongst posters on here. I guess that is what the off-season is for.
We will know more in a few short months, but it is pretty fair to say I disagree with that view quite strongly.
Brander is an elite talent who has had his opportunities compromised from being thrown around the ground too much. Once he is settled in a role at one end of the ground or the other (and it looks like it will be defense) I don't think it will take too long to see him blossom.
I do think Rotham has a fair bit to offer, but I just like Brander's skillset more. Rotham is blue collar, Brander is blue ribbon.
From evidence supplied being games played - my feeling is Rotham is more courageous than Brander. Skill or not, a big ticker is requiredI do think Rotham has a fair bit to offer, but I just like Brander's skillset more. Rotham is blue collar, Brander is blue ribbon
Williams can play as a KPD and alleviate the need for a 3rd tall defender. He played there for the Stingrays.But if we bring in Williams we’re lumped with Kennedy-Darling-Allen-Naitanui-Williams. Waterman is too good not to play, but how can he in that line up?
How can Brander ever get a game? In the back line, presumably, but where does that leave Rotham as the logical third tall?
We’ll be relying on injuries to allow us to play a balanced line up as we’re unlikely to have the stones to make the difficult calls.
It's not an ideal lineup but we're reasonably close to not having Kennedy and Naitanui in the lineup. I'd like to see Bailey Williams play more as I would rather see him play as a second ruck and have OA focus on being a KPF.But if we bring in Williams we’re lumped with Kennedy-Darling-Allen-Naitanui-Williams. Waterman is too good not to play, but how can he in that line up?
How can Brander ever get a game? In the back line, presumably, but where does that leave Rotham as the logical third tall?
We’ll be relying on injuries to allow us to play a balanced line up as we’re unlikely to have the stones to make the difficult calls.
Rotham is faster, better overhead, stronger at the man, better at reading the play and a significantly better kick, particularly in the short to mid range.
Brander is taller, more agile, has better endurance, long term is potentially the better interceptor, long term with more muscle can play key defence and is more naturallly gifted.
However we are talking 2021. It's taken Rotham 4 years development in the same position to get to the point of having a fifth preseason and going into next year likely to push a defender out of the best 22. Brander is certainly a high level talent however it is almost impossible to see him having one preseason and being the better player for the role. In 2-3 years time with further development sure, he could be the better player, but he's not right now and 1 preseason isn't going to change that.
Once hurn retires with significant development both could even be playing in the same side. But until then it's unlikely unless there's a major injury and if we're talking key defender stakes Brander still needs to overtake Harry Edwards.
All the talent in the world counts for squat unless you can put it together and into a role that improves a side. The horrible kicker is i genuinely think brander can put it all together, but he won't give us the time for that to happen and it'll happen at another club. As it stands right now and if he doesn't put it all together he's brent staker mark 2 and thats if he shows more than he has currently as staker had shown more at this stage of his career.
Williams can play as a KPD and alleviate the need for a 3rd tall defender. He played there for the Stingrays.
So it is a matter of 2 of - Allen/Brander/Williams. At this stage, I would back in Williams ahead of Brander. What draft number they were taken at is irrelevant.
No point in just looking at the best 22. We will have injuries and hence best 28 is more relevant.
From evidence supplied being games played - my feeling is Rotham is more courageous than Brander. Skill or not, a big ticker is required
Waterman to the wing is just another example of playing somebody out of position because of an unbalanced list.
I maintain we should have encouraged Kennedy to retire. We’re not winning the flag next year, let’s be honest.
Who was Jetta holding back developmentally? Nelson? Cole? Whoop di doo.But we should have kept an out of form tissue paper calf jetta for another season? Pick a lane
I wouldn’t have been unhappy had Kennedy retired as I think he is blocking the path of some young talls. That said, his output last year was ok so they were never going to force him out.Waterman to the wing is just another example of playing somebody out of position because of an unbalanced list.
I maintain we should have encouraged Kennedy to retire. We’re not winning the flag next year, let’s be honest.
I wouldn’t have been unhappy had Kennedy retired as I think he is blocking the path of some young talls. That said, his output last year was ok so they were never going to force him out.
i disagree with you on Waterman. He plays high half forward mostly and has effectively played wing or close to it in that role many times. I don't think it is playing him out of position at all (unlike what we tried with Brander). If there is a better option then so be it but not sure who that is and he would do the role well with his gut running and footy nous. He can also play third tall forward but isn't limited to that or really needed for that.
The ball kicked accurately (going forward) travels much faster than a ball in handWho was Jetta holding back developmentally? Nelson? Cole? Whoop di doo.
Adding Withers, while a solid acquisition individually, makes us pretty slow coming out of the backline next year.
Not a ringing endorsement for our treatment of Jetta either way.The ball kicked accurately (going forward) travels much faster than a ball in hand
I’m as much a pessimist as the next bloke but this is rubbish in that no one is guaranteed to win the flag next year. We are in a group that if it breaks right could finish top two and ride home finals into a GF. Certainly no reason to throw away 2021Waterman to the wing is just another example of playing somebody out of position because of an unbalanced list.
I maintain we should have encouraged Kennedy to retire. We’re not winning the flag next year, let’s be honest.
We certainly have the names to win the flag.I’m as much a pessimist as the next bloke but this is rubbish in that no one is guaranteed to win the flag next year. We are in a group that if it breaks right could finish top two and ride home finals into a GF. Certainly no reason to throw away 2021
Let's just say that Jets was not ready for what life threw up for him during Covid . I am not going to spit out the info but may I suggest you give the "Jets was screwed" message a rest. He is starting to get his act back together so let's leave it at that.Not a ringing endorsement for our treatment of Jetta either way.
This is why our MC are not up to snuff. Waterman brings it all to the table. Passion, ability and the facking fire to stand tall in the clutch. Dobs a key goal from outside 50 after the siren vs Sydney. You can't coach bottle.Brander will be going to the backline as 3rd tall when required, or to come in when McGovern/Barrass miss. The only reason Rotham was ahead of Brander is because Brander was training with the mids and it is my sense that the coaches tried to use Branders "versatility" to recreate him as a mid to not push Rotham out. Now that has failed, Brander will go back in to defense and there is no doubt in my mind that Brander will push Rotham out pretty quickly.
In terms of Waterman, my sense is he is rated higher on this board then he is by coaches (I rate him highly as well). I remember before the Sydney match, Simmo explained Waterman's selection as 'someone who has a lot of passion for the jumper' which was a quote that stuck out for me. Waterman got a lot of games this year due to the fact that we simply didn't have small forwards and often went with an extra tall who is mobile. Waterman is rarely (if ever) in our first choice team when everyone is available, and I think that is a bit sad to be honest, because I think he has a lot to offer. Given we have improved our small forward stocks and it is unlikely we will have the same high number of injuries in that part of the ground, no doubt Waterman will be pushed out of the team in the forward line.
I really like the game Waterman played up on the Wing (was it round 16?). I wouldn't mind seeing him play more through the middle as a wingman who can push back in the defense, similar to how Geelong play Duncan/Blicavs in that same role. I felt like he did that very well in the elimination final as well. I remember him going back for support a few times and taking a few good grabs. I'd like to see Simmo do that more and switch around some magnets, but it's pretty clear that Waterman will find it difficult to hold down a spot in our forward line in 2021.