Analysis 2021 trade thread

[blueiris]

Lobb earlier and now Wingard. Looks like Leon Cameron is going for one last hurrah before leaving the building.

I know the AFL own the Giants but surely they have to be tight in the salary cap

 

[dlanod]

I know the AFL own the Giants but surely they have to be tight in the salary cap

Both of those guys would have a fair chunk contributed by their existing clubs to come in.

 

[mpal6]

I know the AFL own the Giants but surely they have to be tight in the salary cap

If Wingard and Lobb do get there, that list as a whole would have the profile for a Ross Lyon takeover in 2023. All pieces of the puzzle in place, mature players, just need hard nose tactics and another ruthless push to that next level.

 

[briztoon]

Yes it will help provide Collingwood with enough points to also trade their pick 27 into next years second round. Thus a full cycle for Collingwood retaining all their picks used from 2022 initially with the Suns. Very savvy trading by Wright from the Pies.

Ok, I’m out of the loop, what are the trades, or potential trades, Collingwood have done to get picks back in next year’s draft, while also getting enough points in this year’s draft?

The little talk I have read from the Pies, is that they potentially will only have four picks to take to the draft, so they’ll need enough points bundled up in those four picks.

 

[twhowler]

From your list, I’d have Zorko playing mostly as forward flanker and part of the forward 7 starting 22.

I wouldn’t include Starcevich or Prior as mids, as I believe both belong in the defensive 7 starting 22.

You forgot about Tom Berry. Keep or delist?

Fair enough re Zorko / Starce / Prior. Part of the juggle is getting as many of your best players in the 22 while still suiting positions. Mine was an exercise in thinking who the squad of mids would be in a year or two's time. Prior could easily be a back in for Rich perhaps. Zorko I agree should move out of midfield but will rotate through a bit you'd think. Starce i am keen on for a mid trial but might not work out.

Tom Berry depends on the next year. I think he has shown a bit and would be inclined to keep him but he does need to progress.

 

[twhowler]

You would be paying more money for a VFL player who does not provide the cultural advantages that Mathieson does.

Cockatoo is a similar type of player who has more upside if he can get truly fit.

I hope cockatoo comes good. needs to up his speed.

I see SPP as a Mitch replacement with some more time in Midfield. Nobody seems to agree though haha and a fantasy anyway with our cap.

 

[twhowler]

I dont think we are slow side in general. I think we get beat on the rebound because our effort is not there. We need more defensive running from players who dont put in the effort. (mids and 1 small forward in particular) There are 3-4 of them that dont do it and I really hope that changes in 2022 because it will improve our game significantly. I do know its a focus of the coaching group. Watching a live game exposes these players because you can see them walking when the ball is not in our hands. Television doesnt pick that up.

We need to bring back the 1% award or whatever they called it during the flag years. Charlie when he wants to so good at forward pressure. When he's not in the mood though...
I'm not sure there is a bigger gap in intensity in the league than us when we are firing (total football for example Geelong and Port gabba games) or half rat power (Saints, Richmond second half at MS, Hawthorn most of the game).

 

[JasRulz63]

Pies trade 43 to Dogs for Lipinski, which is 378 points. I think that means they don't have the points to match a pick 1 bid on Daicos again. Maybe our late picks can head their way in the Fort/Ceglar/Lynch deals.

 

[Mighty Lions]

The mistake was drafting HSmith and Lane. Not Fort

I would put some $ on Lane playing some time in our best 22 next year should we not recruit a ruckman in this trade period.

I still firmly believe we need another mid fielder with some pace & a decent tank as a priority before a ruckman. Why keep Lane, Fullerton & Ballenden on our list if they arent sometime in the future considered a ruckman?

 

[Quigley]

I would put some $ on Lane playing some time in our best 22 next year should we not recruit a ruckman in this trade period.

I still firmly believe we need another mid fielder with some pace & a decent tank as a priority before a ruckman. Why keep Lane, Fullerton & Ballenden on our list if they arent sometime in the future considered a ruckman?

We have mids coming in next year. We also have picks this year where the best options are likely to be mids.

List management involves planning for the future not just the now and having a couple of ruck options I think is absolutely fine.

 

[blueiris]

We have mids coming in next year. We also have picks this year where the best options are likely to be mids.

List management involves planning for the future not just the now and having a couple of ruck options I think is absolutely fine.

How many midfielders is too many we already have mids that can’t get consistent games right now at the Lions the KPP seem to be going early I agree should we look at players that can play in multiple positions on the field?

 

[Mighty Lions]

We have mids coming in next year. We also have picks this year where the best options are likely to be mids.

List management involves planning for the future not just the now and having a couple of ruck options I think is absolutely fine.

agree with everything you say.
In the final series we fell short in the midfield which cost us games I believe. I'm not sure we can wait another 2-3 years before a young draftee becomes the hardened/gut running mid we need now to compete with the main flag contenders of 2022.
List management is 100% what you say and much much more. It appears we are under some salary cap pressure so looking at draftee's rather than recruiting someone who would cost more maybe what they plan to do but those guys will not be ready be part of our best 22 in 2022.

 

[blueiris]

agree with everything you say.
In the final series we fell short in the midfield which cost us games I believe. I'm not sure we can wait another 2-3 years before a young draftee becomes the hardened/gut running mid we need now to compete with the main flag contenders on 2022.
List management is 100% what you say and much much more. It appears we are under some salary cap pressure so looking at draftee's rather than recruiting someone who would cost more maybe what they plan to do but those guys will not be ready be part of our best 22 in 2022.

The midfield wasn’t what cost Us against the Dogs it was not having a capable forwards to help Daniher from getting triple teamed. I agree that Melbourne beat Us in the Midfield but a lot of that was Gawns superiority in the Ruck

 

[mattsmob]

How many midfielders is too many we already have mids that can’t get consistent games right now at the Lions the KPP seem to be going early I agree should we look at players that can play in multiple positions on the field?

Agree with drafting guys that can play multiple positions but I definitely think we could do with some more mids even with a couple coming next year. A lot of the mids that aren’t getting consistent gametime are the same, slower, inside mids with questionable disposal and we already have a few of those in the team.

 

[blueiris]

Agree with drafting guys that can play multiple positions but I definitely think we could do with some more mids even with a couple coming next year. A lot of the mids that aren’t getting consistent gametime are the same, slower, inside mids with questionable disposal and we already have a few of those in the team.

Triffett from our Academy is someone who interests me at a late pick as a midfielder

 

[jackess]

Triffett from our Academy is someone who interests me at a late pick as a midfielder

I think he falls into the slower, inside mid with questionable disposal category

 

[mattsmob]

Triffett from our Academy is someone who interests me at a late pick as a midfielder

I like him as well and hope he finds his way onto a list but with CEY, Matho, Dev, Joyce and Ely Smith just in our reserves alone I’m not sure where he fits with us.

 

[Lazza16]

Listening to Del Santo on trade radio and he saw a couple of VFL games this season involving Darcy Fort

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Darcy Fort

Age

31

Ht

204cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.6

2star

K

5.8

2star

HB

2.9

3star

M

1.9

2star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.8

4star

D

9.2

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

3.2

2star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.8

3star

G

0.2

3star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.2

3star

G

1.2

4star

. He thought he was fantastic and couldnt understand his lack of opportunities at the Cats. All good news if we can get him.

 

[Mighty Lions]

The midfield wasn’t what cost Us against the Dogs it was not having a capable forwards to help Daniher from getting triple teamed. I agree that Melbourne beat Us in the Midfield but a lot of that was Gawns superiority in the Ruck

It did in my opinion. Macrae with 39 touches, Libba damaging with every one of his 21 possessions & say no more about Bailey Smith. For me watching that game, those 3 bulldogs were the difference. They had 10 more clearances than us and the umpires well on their side.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

It did in my opinion. Macrae with 39 touches, Libba damaging with every one of his 21 possessions & say no more about Bailey Smith. For me watching that game, those 3 bulldogs were the difference. They had 10 more clearances than us and the umpires well on their side.

Yes, that extra player was very handy for the Dogs.

 

[Flea_29]

Listening to Del Santo on trade radio and he saw a couple of VFL games this season involving Darcy Fort. He thought he was fantastic and couldnt understand his lack of opportunities at the Cats. All good news if we can get him.

The few times I saw him (Fort) play this year in the VFL he was very impressive. He has a presence about him which I really like - he loves physical contact and loves to impose himself on the contest. Will be a valuable addition.
So let me get this right - we're looking at trading most of our late picks for Fort and pick 41?
So we start with 14, 18, 50, 54, 60 & 76 and go to the draft with 14, 18, 41 & 76 and we picked up Fort. That's great considering we're only likely to draft 3 players - 14, 18 & 41.
Briztoon - who can we pick up at 41? If we go for 2 mids at 14 & 18, who can we get as a KPP at 41?

 

[blueiris]

It did in my opinion. Macrae with 39 touches, Libba damaging with every one of his 21 possessions & say no more about Bailey Smith. For me watching that game, those 3 bulldogs were the difference. They had 10 more clearances than us and the umpires well on their side.

We had 14 more inside 50s than the Dogs but no one to kick too that was what hurt Us the most

 

[blueiris]

Ladhams want to get to Sydney looks like pick 31 gets it done says Matthew Rendell

 

[Quigley]

Ladhams want to get to Sydney looks like pick 31 gets it done says Matthew Rendell

Already reported that Port have knocked that back.

Hard to see Sydney giving more than that.

 

[Mighty Lions]

We had 14 more inside 50s than the Dogs but no one to kick too that was what hurt Us the most

Rather than how many times it came in, maybe it was more the way it came into our forward line!! Thats been an issue for a while now in our game plan.