Player Watch 2022 AFL National Draft Discussion - read the pinned post

[Strapping Young Lad]

National AFL draft Monday November 28(first round only).
All other selections to be held on Tuesday November 29.
The pre-season and rookie drafts will then take place at 3pm (AEST) on Wednesday November 30.

 

[VandoHawk]

Tsatas at AFL level could be a Josh Kelly or a Jared polec! One of these concern me.

I've seen Tsatas attack the ball when playing inside in ways Polec never did. Although I wouldn't say tackling is a strength (he did have a few 0 tackle games) he doesn't shirk contests so I think it's a matter of intent rather than being soft.
However, I also don't think his disposal comes close to that of Kelly. Few in the projected top 15 do - Sheezel is the only one that projects as elite. Even McKenzie I rate as above average rather than elite.

The closest comparison I can think of for Tsatas is worse performed Noah Anderson (injury a factor) with less ability to rest forward.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

He projects more as an outside player and we need ball winners, also over the years he seems to get a lot of poss and provides run but can waste a lot of poss too, I just think there's better at our pick, but saying that I won't be upset if we get him.

Pros - he wins a tonne of ball, provides great run
Cons - disposal could be better, decision making could be better, tested poorly after foot injury, in his interview struggled to keep focus which might be why his disposal is a mixed bag?

Rumours are he might slide a little on draft night? Very good prospect though, so I'm torn.

Really looks to me like he gets under the ball when kicking.

 

[HawthornHawk]

Really looks to me like he gets under the ball when kicking.

Ideal replacement for Mitchell then

 

[Blackhawk42]

Clayton Oliver

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Clayton Oliver

Age

27

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.8

5star

K

9.5

4star

HB

18.4

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

6.3

5star

CL

6.3

5star

D

25.1

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

19.2

5star

K

4.6

2star

HB

14.6

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

3.8

5star

was a 'poor kick' for years until suddenly he wasn't.

Tsatas isn't a poor kick or poor decision maker. He's an explosive, young midfielder prone to a sky ball or a turnover by foot which can also be attributed to the sheer volume of disposals he gets. The more you get the more you are likely to make an error with.

But once he's in an elite, full time system his decision making and composure will improve. Another accumulator with 'suspect' disposal is Jackson Macrae

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Jackson Macrae

Age

30

Ht

192cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.8

5star

K

13.1

5star

HB

14.8

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

4.8

5star

CL

3.8

5star

D

24.4

5star

K

10.9

4star

HB

13.5

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.8

4star

CL

4.1

5star

D

16.8

4star

K

8.6

4star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

1.8

4star

. When was the last time you watched a Dogs game and thought 'gee, Macrae would be great if he didn't turn the ball over so much'? I'd suggest it's been a long time.

We are seriously overthinking it if we're considering passing (as a fanbase) on a top 5 rated talent slipping to us at 7, based primarily on highlights from ONE game. I know not everybody is doing that, but a lot of the discussion is centred around that performance.

 

[chopflop]

Just one of the few clips I've posted on the North board

Same clip, different angles

Is that Weddle playing fwd?

 

[RIOLINWITPUNCHS]

Clayton Oliver was a 'poor kick' for years until suddenly he wasn't.

Tsatas isn't a poor kick or poor decision maker. He's an explosive, young midfielder prone to a sky ball or a turnover by foot which can also be attributed to the sheer volume of disposals he gets. The more you get the more you are likely to make an error with.

But once he's in an elite, full time system his decision making and composure will improve. Another accumulator with 'suspect' disposal is Jackson Macrae. When was the last time you watched a Dogs game and thought 'gee, Macrae would be great if he didn't turn the ball over so much'? I'd suggest it's been a long time.

We are seriously overthinking it if we're considering passing (as a fanbase) on a top 5 rated talent slipping to us 7, based primarily on highlights from ONE game. I know not everybody is doing that, but a lot of the discussion is centred around that performance.

I will definitely take the heat for judging him on one game in isolation.

I have since seen some alternative footage and perhaps he just had an off day.

I will back the club though if they choose him.

Probably in the minority here but if Tsatas and Humprey were both available to us I'd take Humphrey.

 

[TDS7]

I will definitely take the heat for judging him on one game in isolation.

I have since seen some alternative footage and perhaps he just had an off day.

I will back the club though if they choose him.

Probably in the minority here but if Tsatas and Humprey were both available to us I'd take Humphrey.

Jesus that's a hot take around these part, but I understand it. The more I go back over my notes and watch Humphrey as a midfielder, the more I appreciate his clearance-winning ability and burst out of stoppages. Of course, Mackenzie also provides that stoppage class, but Humphrey seems to work with contact rather than against it if that makes sense. He rides bumps (with a grin) and stands tall in tackles, but his sidestep and ariel bursts are a sight to behold. At this rate I'm back to being torn, if it's Mackenzie or Humphrey I'm happy either way. I'll do a more in depth rundown after my exams are finished, but right now I'd order our options as:

Tsatas
-----------
Humphrey
Mackenzie
Clark
-----------
Phillipou
Ginbey
Jefferson

Of course, this is all gonna change through the week as Twomey puts out his rankings and we see how the clubs rate these guys. Twomey is a great source this close to the draft because he gets his inside word from recruiters, so he acts as a sort of aggregate for the AFL recruiting professionals rather than his own draft analysis.

 

[Iceman!]

Clayton Oliver was a 'poor kick' for years until suddenly he wasn't.

Tsatas isn't a poor kick or poor decision maker. He's an explosive, young midfielder prone to a sky ball or a turnover by foot which can also be attributed to the sheer volume of disposals he gets. The more you get the more you are likely to make an error with.

But once he's in an elite, full time system his decision making and composure will improve. Another accumulator with 'suspect' disposal is Jackson Macrae. When was the last time you watched a Dogs game and thought 'gee, Macrae would be great if he didn't turn the ball over so much'? I'd suggest it's been a long time.

We are seriously overthinking it if we're considering passing (as a fanbase) on a top 5 rated talent slipping to us at 7, based primarily on highlights from ONE game. I know not everybody is doing that, but a lot of the discussion is centred around that performance.

Macrae is a long long long way from being a bad kick and Oliver is still average by foot, just happens to be one of the best contested players of all time.

However i agree on Tsatas, his kicking is not bad enough to pass on when you consider his other traits. Personally would still be surprised if he made it to our pick.

 

[MasterSamurai]

İs Humphrey more a frwd than a mid? These types mostly end up playing frwd for a long time until they adjust to the senior level intensity of full time mid . We want the other way around, a true inside mid who can impact up frwd like Burgoyne, Hodge , dusty , danger etc...

 

[marhalls hawks]

I like Humphrey Philippou or Clark just to upset the Geelong people. but every year for the last few years the recruiting team at the Hawks have got it right in my opinion except for DGB which has a ? On it just for now I think he will still be good once he gets to his 50 games key position players take longer and Humphries kicking easily fixed by Mitchell and his team

 

[MasterSamurai]

Last year I was big on Ward pre draft and he was highly touted by someone I know so I had a good look at him and thought he'd be a perfect fit going frwd, I still think the same
For this year, my starting point is either of McKenzie or tsatas. I know that's cheating as I have two choices but in the next month, I'm gonna try and whittle it down. I'll also see what pointers my ' someone I know ' gives me in the next couple of weeks.

 

[FB19]

If Tsatas is available at our pick we must take him. Baring any major character issues of course, he is a no brainer pick. Had he had an uninterrupted season he'd be making a case for the top player in the draft. If you watch his highlight videos you see how much of a natural and smart outside midfielder he is, consistently getting in the perfect position not only to receive a handball, but also to where he has a clear path to break away. I seriously think that if he transitions well to AFL game style he'll be a top 5 outside midfielder within a few years, possibly the best when in his prime.

The only issue I've seen with him is of course contested ball winning and tackling but I think that's a sacrifice we'd be easily willing to take given how talented of an outside player he is. And players like Nash and finn will be able to cover up for that anyway.

What makes me really think he'll be a star is not only is he one of the most damaging players in the draft with his run and carry, but he also is a great accumulator. Having those two traits alone make him extremely valuable and I can't see how we pass on him over players who have much bigger wholes in their games.

Having said this, Essendon really should pick him and I think they will, fingers crossed though

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I agree on his positioning from the few vids I’ve seen but he seems to miss a lot of targets, most of his vic metro highlights were turnovers by foot. much better by hand but that’s not what we need from an outside mid. There are people better than me to judge but this is an opinion forum and to me, I’d pass and take Mackenzie or philippou.

 

[Coach Killer]

Pass on Humphrey
Hard pass on Clark

Tsatas - Tick - doubt he’s available at 7
MaC 2 - Tick - will be available at 7
Poo - Tick - will be available at 7
Jefferson- Tick - will be available at 7
Allen - Tick - will be available at 7
Ginbey - Tick - will be available at 7
George Boy - Double Tick - will be available at 7
Hewett - Double Tick - will be available at 7

Plenty of high end talent available at pick 7. List taking shape nicely.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

I love the positivity here.

I think the fact we have had a full season of exposed form makes it underwhelming.

Apart from the first few picks the quality does look poor.

I look at all the differing views on here as to who we should take with our 1st and think that is not a good thing.

No one is screaming at us to pick them with our 1st.

You're clearly blind then, Cam MacKenzie is basically saying pick me or your loss for the next 15 years.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

If teaching somehow how to change their kicking technique is so easy why are there still plenty of s**t kicks going around at AFL level? Heck we just got rid of a Brownlow medalist because he would often put boot to ball without looking upfield/sideways or hit good targets 8 times out of 10.

Mitchell will not risk or allow us to waste our first pick on a player who’s kicking technique is questionable …….. his game plan relies on it! Sure ok if it was a later pick but not our first.

Because especially with Tom Mitchell, his was a physical issue, slow because of stumpy legs and especially after a broken leg his kicking only got worse, there's shit kicks because some just don't have the tools, Mitchell didn't, lacked penetration and didn't have the natural Pendlebury gift to glide or take time.

But with cons, there's plenty of pros for every player, especially Mitchell.

And then you look at Humphrey, his would be pretty easy to fix if given time, his around the ground use is solid and his penetration is next level good, he has great power and tools.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

He is just about the worst kick I have ever seen. Then again, foot skills are overrated. None of Judd, Danger or Fyfe could hit the side of a barn.

Judd in some of his early days was ridiculous, didn't he have a year where his kicking efficiency was like 85%+????

 

[Dewyyyyy]

I assumed he was going to be unavailable to us so didn't bother looking at much of him.

I just watched his "highlights" in the VM vs VC game.

I hope to God Essendon take him because if you thought Humphrey was a terrible kick this guy isn't far off that.

For a predominantly outside player his kicking is deplorable.

Kicking is deplorable? please watch a game pre injury, PLEASE.

PLEASE?

 

[Hazardinho]

Apologies if this isn't appropriate to discuss but is there any real possibility of Essendon swapping with us with their pick 22 for our later picks? The possibility of picking up a George or Hotton type would be huge.

No, we want to move up if anything.

 

[matey]

2022 NAB AFL Draft Combine Results - SANFL

sanfl.com.au

At 6’ 3 impressive athleticism 3rd in 2km time trial, 1st in 20m sprint, 3rd in agility test, 1st in running vertical jump - right and 2nd in running vertical jump - left. Skilful, very good overhead, kicks it over 50, while getting to know him through the interview process if he has good character, a strong work ethic and doesn’t get picked up before us ……….. surely he’s our man!

 

[RIOLINWITPUNCHS]

Tsatas going to be interviewed on SEN in the next 30 minutes for anyone interested.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

2022 NAB AFL Draft Combine Results - SANFL

sanfl.com.au

At 6’ 3 impressive athleticism 3rd in 2km time trial, 1st in 20m sprint, 3rd in agility test, 1st in running vertical jump - right and 2nd in running vertical jump - left. Skilful, very good overhead, kicks it over 50, while getting to know him through the interview process if he has good character, a strong work ethic and doesn’t get picked up before us ……….. surely he’s our man!

Either him or Mackenzie, it just has to be.

 

[TylerDurden]

 

[FB19]

If phantom draft anything to go by late picks ok magor 38 Munkara D’aloia Gilbey leary 40s MacDonald schuback 50s drury binns plus Jayden Davey and Noah long in the 60s plus matching vickery and Lawrence.
First 2 picks keen on Magor hopefully at 41 then any of the rest at 48 use remaining on vickery and Lawrence hopefully as a rookie leave 1 spot open

 

[number23]

Darcy Jones was also outside of Twomey's Top 30

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

We'll get more high picks next year and possibly the one after. We need match winners so I would be happy if they rolled he dice a tiny bit with someone like Humphrey.

Dont think anyone really cared about getting bowes and it was impossible to know GC would lump in Pick 7 with him. I was shattered we missed the deal too but don’t think anyone could planned for it.

I respectfully disagree. No stone should have been left unturned.

That will do though. I said my part on this and it was deleted so this probably will too.