Player Watch 2022 AFL National Draft Discussion - read the pinned post

[Strapping Young Lad]

National AFL draft Monday November 28(first round only).
All other selections to be held on Tuesday November 29.
The pre-season and rookie drafts will then take place at 3pm (AEST) on Wednesday November 30.

 

[Tomohawks]

I already liked a post pointing out I'd got the heights wrong. But FMD 1cm......

You know what, the club made a mistake delisting Dan Howe. Had height so we should have played him in the guts.....

FMD, you had Ashcroft listed at 177cm when you stated he was 4cm shorter than Clark which is midget mid sized. Again, never let the truth stay in the way of a good story!

 

[Yardie]

FMD, you had Ashcroft listed at 177cm when you stated he was 4cm shorter than Clark which is midget mid sized. Again, never let the truth stay in the way of a good story!

I stated that I got it wrong, what more do you want? I am very curious. Cause a 4cm difference only makes a difference if we are having dick measuring exercise.....oh wait a second is that what we are doing.......

 

[Tomohawks]

I stated that I got it wrong, what more do you want? I am very curious. Cause a 4cm difference only makes a difference if we are having dick measuring exercise.....oh wait a second is that what we are doing.......

I didn't see that. I retract my last post if so.

 

[MasterSamurai]

Gimme footy smarts and repeat contest player over a few centimetres anyday.
Selwood, Mitchell were hardly athletic tall galloping types but they can/could play footy. İf we select Clark, he will get us first possession at the coal face more often than most our other kids who are mostly suited to that second possie from the contest. But again, tsatas comes first then humper then phlippa.

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

I could see them throwing it in if we throwed in an F2.

If they're desperate, I'd do 6 + F2 (WBD) for 13 + 2 F1's.

Given the depth/hype of next years draft I'd say that would work out to be extreme value.
Obviously a player at pick 6 this year is going to be very good value for us, but if 2023 becomes a super draft, and we've got 4 bites of the cherry in the top 22 that would be insane for us (especially if we do a Munkara with our father sons).

A hand of 1, 14, 18, 19 for 2023 would be a generational set up.

I tend to agree, but there is no way we are finishing last next year. I don't think our position will change much

 

[chopflop]

And how do you know that

He said, "I think"...

 

[toomanysquibs]

The point is that any two players 180-183cm or 183-186cm are ostensibly the same height considering you'd have to back them against a wall and pull out a tape measure to tell the difference 99% of the time.

I've given you the averages of top end midfielders for key statistics. The distribution is even above and below 183cm across all of them, despite the > 183cm group having a larger range of players to draw from.

Clark is comfortably in the sweet spot for height when it comes to midfielders, so any weaknesses with speed or explosiveness (which he does have, or he'd be pushing top 3) are completely unrelated.

Are you comparing players of the same ability though, and I wonder how the theory of size works when you isolate numbers into contests vs. players bigger than them? A lot of the key ball winners also have super speed, so I'd ague that is an important factor as well.

Line up two players of the same ability level and you'd take the bigger player every day of the week though.

Every advantage in a contest helps, and size is definitely an advantage even at those 3cm increments - let alone when it's a 190cm player vs. a 181cm player.

Nash currently has a place in our midfield mostly based on the size/speed we're lacking. The player we need imo is Finn Callaghan, but we're not likely to get him from GWS.

We didn't just throw out two big hearted, ball winning midfielders in the 184cm and lower range to go after another one with the same traits this draft imo.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I think I’ve seen enough posts about height to last a life time, can we move on now, for our own sanity.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

I think I’ve seen enough posts about height to last a life time, can we move on now, for our own sanity.

Sounds like a tall order.

 

[rei154]

I tend to agree, but there is no way we are finishing last next year. I don't think our position will change much

I'd be surprised if we dropped more than two positions, but these are strange times.

 

[Hawk the Talk]

I’m sure a lot have already seen this but gee it feels like Tsatas is a really strong chance to get to us

https://afl.app.link/qawgnnqHavb

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I’m sure a lot have already seen this but gee it feels like Tsatas is a really strong chance to get to us

https://afl.app.link/qawgnnqHavb

What is meant to be linking to here? It just opens the AFL app.

 

[RIOLINWITPUNCHS]

I wonder what sort of offers we might get for our pick if Tsatas is still on the board.

 

[kirbatron]

I'd be surprised if we dropped more than two positions, but these are strange times.

injuries to key planks could get us. wont be the end of the world tho

 

[Hawk the Talk]

What are meant to be linking to here? It just opens the AFL app.

Sorry, it’s just the latest road to the draft clip.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I wonder what sort of offers we might get for our pick if Tsatas is still on the board.

It would need to be massive for us to consider.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

It would need to be massive for us to consider.

Norths First, Second Next year
and 23 this year

 

[Judd2Sewell]

The difference between Tsatas and Mackenzie isn't greater than a F2. Especially when Mackenzie is the best kick in the top ten after Sheezle.

In the biggest game of the year Tsatas was shanking them all over, whilst Mackenzie had some lovely kicks to advantage.

 

[Hawk the Talk]

The difference between Tsatas and Mackenzie isn't greater than a F2. Especially when Mackenzie is the best kick in the top ten after Sheezle.

In the biggest game of the year Tsatas was shanking them all over, whilst Mackenzie had some lovely kicks to advantage.

Personally I wouldn’t want us trading back for a F2 only.

 

[Coathanger]

I find it very weird that people are dismissing Phillipou or calling him FIGJAM based of a couple of interviews. He’s a kid FFS plenty of opportunity to mould him into a very good player and person once he’s at the club.

So North moulded JHF well???
Kid isn't worth the risk.

 

[Yardie]

I didn't see that. I retract my last post if so.

All cool

 

[Brant]

The difference between Tsatas and Mackenzie isn't greater than a F2. Especially when Mackenzie is the best kick in the top ten after Sheezle.

In the biggest game of the year Tsatas was shanking them all over, whilst Mackenzie had some lovely kicks to advantage.

I reckon Mackenzie has gone from the player that most here preferred over Clark, to barely being mentioned once per page. This over the space of 10 days, without any of them kicking a ball.

I've not checked his height, but I'd be pretty happy if we engineered a trade that landed us a pick that gets Mackenzie & say Pick 19 from GWS.

 

[SunshineHawkCal]

The difference between Tsatas and Mackenzie isn't greater than a F2. Especially when Mackenzie is the best kick in the top ten after Sheezle.

In the biggest game of the year Tsatas was shanking them all over, whilst Mackenzie had some lovely kicks to advantage.

Mind you wasn't that Tsatas 2nd game in months?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Norths First, Second Next year
and 23 this year

That’s way overs.

I’d expect that if Saints really want Tsatas they offer their future 1st and Pick 9.

They seem to be the side trying hardest to get up the order, along with Melbourne.

 

[Hawk the Talk]

So North moulded JHF well???
Kid isn't worth the risk.

Did North do anything well last year?
The risk is based on what? Both are from SA?