Player Watch 2022 AFL National Draft Discussion - read the pinned post

[Strapping Young Lad]

National AFL draft Monday November 28(first round only).
All other selections to be held on Tuesday November 29.
The pre-season and rookie drafts will then take place at 3pm (AEST) on Wednesday November 30.

 

[matsta1975]

Having the opportunity to sit in the background at another club the one thing I can say is that drafting strategy at all clubs has changed dramatically in the last two years and will continue to evolve as the rules change.
Strategic planning as moved from a 24 month period to a 36 to 48 month gamble.
From an recruitment and talent identification stand point the most pivotal aspect is that a club does not overrate the list otherwise poor decisions are made.
Putting things into perspective all draft selections are assets and trading out selections for next year is a process the hawks will likely follow for the next two seasons till the point they are happy with the bottom age talent then use the assets to bring in free agents or targeted players.
Next season will be about development internally the club will assess the list once again and possibly use 2024 futures to assist their hand next year and then 2025 the year after untill they are ready to strike.
JT at Melbourne has been doing this the last 5 years and other clubs have been behind the eight ball.
Playing it safe leads to mid table mediocrity rolling the dice although fought with some danger is the way to push forward

 

[peetoo]

I reckon the swans may do more stuff and don’t be surprised if we are involved

 

[KeeperLeaguer]

The GWS pick that got bid on would’ve cost us less with the same player being picked up. Why weren’t the list managers at GWS and Hawks involved in talks?

How do you know they weren't?

 

[matsta1975]

It's a big call though to take a kid who was an All Australian under 18 Full Back and immediately turn him into a midfielder/forward though.



The club will want to build his confidence as an AFL player by playing him in the role he is comfortable with/ excelled in which is as a Full Back who can play on talls and smalls.



To me his direct competition for this role will be DGB (in the short term at least).



He may in the future transition into a midfielder/forward but it takes a rare talent to be this type of mutli-positional player (I'm talking Roughly level talent).

Was playing full for

Could play wing/half forward, and has the tools to do so.


He was playing full forward the at 15's and 16's level first time he started to get noticed

 

[HedgeFund]

Forget about who we picked.

If this pick trade was suggested yesterday, it would have been mocked.

…..by people who don’t work in AFL list management and drafting.

 

[HedgeFund]

It's a big call though to take a kid who was an All Australian under 18 Full Back and immediately turn him into a midfielder/forward though.

The club will want to build his confidence as an AFL player by playing him in the role he is comfortable with/ excelled in which is as a Full Back who can play on talls and smalls.

To me his direct competition for this role will be DGB (in the short term at least).

He may in the future transition into a midfielder/forward but it takes a rare talent to be this type of mutli-positional player (I'm talking Roughly level talent).

Just put him down back and move a 23 - 26 year old further up the ground.

It’s not that hard.

Here’s a quick example of how our recruits plus McKenzie and Tweddle (if ready and good to go) could add to our starting 23.

B: Tweddle Blanck/Jeka Hardwick
HB: Jiath Frost DGB
C: Amon Sicily Day
HF: Moore Lewis McKenzie
F: Scrimshaw Meek McDonald

R: Reeves Newcombe Ward

I: (from) Stephens, Maginness, Nash, Impey, Worpel, Morrison, Bramble, Blanck/Jeka, etc.

Move Sicily, Scrimshaw, Day into the heat and start doing what mature players should

 

[blackheart]

I really dislike draft time, everyone's an expert.

Remember, Blake Hardwick

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Blake Hardwick

Age

27

Ht

183cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.8

4star

K

9.7

4star

HB

6.1

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.7

4star

MG

264.7

4star

D

13.8

3star

K

9.8

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.7

3star

MG

264.7

4star

D

15.0

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

6.2

4star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.4

4star

was drafted as a forward, as was Sicily. You're not bound by blood to play the position you played as a junior. It's about talent.

 

[The hands of stone]

It's a big call though to take a kid who was an All Australian under 18 Full Back and immediately turn him into a midfielder/forward though.

The club will want to build his confidence as an AFL player by playing him in the role he is comfortable with/ excelled in which is as a Full Back who can play on talls and smalls.

To me his direct competition for this role will be DGB (in the short term at least).

He may in the future transition into a midfielder/forward but it takes a rare talent to be this type of mutli-positional player (I'm talking Roughly level talent).

Have a look at his highlights ( yes I know highlights ) I can 100% see why we got him .
SC youve been calling for tall , explosive players for our list for a few years now . Especially in the midfield. Well I would say Josh is that guy .

I mentioned in his thread my mate who is in the under 18 program reckons he will be a mid/wing who probably will go forward .

I don't think its the risky pick a lot seem to be making out

 

[chopflop]

The GWS pick that got bid on would’ve cost us less with the same player being picked up. Why weren’t the list managers at GWS and Hawks involved in talks?

But then they have to trade their other round one right behind it. They had to find trades for picks 18 and 19 in 5 mins .... They were snookered.

They should have kept 13 and given north both of those picks for pick 1.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Ned, forget what others think… say what you think

I think you were wrong to say Weddle wasn’t on anyone’s radar. Pretty simple.

 

[RIOLINWITPUNCHS]

And we got swans pick. So same pick (after early academy bids)

Has it been confirmed which future picks we traded out?

The swans were very, very strategic and played this perfectly.

They knew they were trading that pick with us and that they were going to receive our #27 so they placed bids prior to trading #18 to put themselves in a better position for #27.

 

[HedgeFund]

I really dislike draft time, everyone's an expert.

Remember, Blake Hardwick was drafted as a forward, as was Sicily. You're not bound by blood to play the position you played as a junior. It's about talent.

So was Jeka

 

[Billyc]

If we said a couple months back we'd take:
Pick 7 - Tall, classy, ready to go midfielder
Pick 18 - Tall, athletic defender with high potential and scope to develop into a midfielder/wing/forward

We'd be happy. I think Mackenzie is a great fit for us and Weddle's athletic profile is exciting. I personally hope he develops further up the field due to list need. Or maybe we will finally start to move a couple of our existing half backs into the midfield rotation.

There is always risk in trading future picks tied to our performance and I think the apprehension for many comes from a fear we will be bottom 4 next year, in which case the outlay is heavy. But you always need to trade plenty to get a pick upgrade in the first round. It suggests to me that the club doesn't see us finishing bottom 4 next year, which is interesting (although the Swans probably think and now hope we will).

I am hoping for another couple midfielders or mid/forwards tonight.

 

[PAOKTSIS]

I think we also shouldn’t see it as trading for pick 18. It’s a little too simplistic of a view.

We don’t know where MM and the team had Josh ranked on their list. Maybe he was the 12-13th best player according to them? Who’s to say that he wasn’t ranked higher than Busslinger, Hewett or Jefferson who went before him?

If that was the case, then trading 27, F2 and F3 for the 12-13th best player in this year’s draft was a no-brainer.

As it stands we already have a 1st and 2nd round pick in 2023 as a starting point. Plus we’re taking another 2-3 players tonight. Add all these players to our current list and we’re looking really young, talented and damn good!


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[PenAndPaper]

I think we also shouldn’t see it as trading for pick 18. It’s a little too simplistic of a view.

We don’t know where MM and the team had Josh ranked on their list. Maybe he was the 12-13th best player according to them? Who’s to say that he wasn’t ranked higher than Busslinger, Hewett or Jefferson who went before him?

If that was the case, then trading 27, F2 and F3 for the 12-13th best player in this year’s draft was a no-brainer.

As it stands we already have a 1st and 2nd round pick in 2023 as a starting point. Plus we’re taking another 2-3 players tonight. Add all these players to our current list and we’re looking really young, talented and damn good!


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Completely agree, potentially could have been ranked 8 by us. We got another first round pick in without giving up a first round pick. That's a prety good effort.

 

[HedgeFund]

Who’s to say that he wasn’t ranked higher than Busslinger, Hewett or Jefferson who went before him?

If that was the case, then trading 27, F2 and F3 for the 12-13th best player in this year’s draft was a no-brainer.

As it stands we already have a 1st and 2nd round pick in 2023 as a starting point. Plus we’re taking another 2-3 players tonight. Add all these players to our current list and we’re looking really young, talented and damn good!


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NB: Busslinger could one day want to return home to WA. Its becoming increasingly prevalent.

Tweddle is already home.

 

[TylerDurden]

I reckon the swans may do more stuff and don’t be surprised if we are involved

We've got nothing left to trade.

 

[SJT76]

So, combining trade and draft period, I think we have essentially traded Tom, JOM, 27 and a pick (swap) slide in F2 and F3 for Stephens, Meek, 18 and 36. Plus Gunston left and we got Amon.

Taking 18 was also much less of a gamble than a normal pick swap - we knew who we were getting, not just a better pick.

It’s what we needed to do - get some value for guys that were not taking us to our next flag, and stock up on young talent.

 

[Noel Gallagher]

I'm over the moon with Mckenzie and Weddle - two genuine footballers with some serious athletic traits. Not too fussed with who we get at pick 38 but just hope we take Vickery with our last pick and then rookie list lawence (think he has tremendous untapped potential)

I haven't felt so optimistic about our rebuild since the drafting Hodge, Mitchell in2001 then Roughead, Franklin and Lewis in 2004. With the last two years in particular, I see three standout attributes in skill, speed and stamina with an added dash of hardness - Meek, Morris, Stephens. We are well and truly on our way back up...

 

[I got the outside word]

Pick 18 was pick 14 (?) before bids, I think we’ve done okay there.

 

[KermitJagger]

We've got nothing left to trade.

We've still got all our remaining future picks, one in each round. Might use the Dogs' future second.

That said, I don't think so.

 

[Simon Crawshay]

Have a look at his highlights ( yes I know highlights ) I can 100% see why we got him .
SC youve been calling for tall , explosive players for our list for a few years now . Especially in the midfield. Well I would say Josh is that guy .

I mentioned in his thread my mate who is in the under 18 program reckons he will be a mid/wing who probably will go forward .

I don't think its the risky pick a lot seem to be making out

I'm not having a go at the kid, from that highlights package he can clearly play and I am not unhappy we picked him up.

But if you get picked as All Australian under 18 Full Back then I think it would be very unusual (and quite frankly a bit unfair on Josh) to make him play midfielder or forward (both totally different positions that would take years too learn).

AFL is a tough gig no matter how talented you are and I think we would be better off playing him (intially at least) in the position he has shown to excel at.

That's why I made the comment about DGB. Fore me his is the spot Josh will be competing for next year.

Unless they throw Sicily into the midfield but that would be a massive call on Sam's behalf.

 

[hawkinoz]

I think we also shouldn’t see it as trading for pick 18. It’s a little too simplistic of a view.

We don’t know where MM and the team had Josh ranked on their list. Maybe he was the 12-13th best player according to them? Who’s to say that he wasn’t ranked higher than Busslinger, Hewett or Jefferson who went before him?

If that was the case, then trading 27, F2 and F3 for the 12-13th best player in this year’s draft was a no-brainer.

As it stands we already have a 1st and 2nd round pick in 2023 as a starting point. Plus we’re taking another 2-3 players tonight. Add all these players to our current list and we’re looking really young, talented and damn good!


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Indeed, but teams have packaged an F2 to move 1-2 spots. Does anyone think Pies would accept an offer for pick 14 from say the Eagles with their pick 20 + F2. If this sounds fair, then 24+F2+F3 for 14 is maybe even unders.
Even if we finish 2nd last 24+20+38 is only just overs for pick 14. Fine for that risk to get a gun player 1 yr early into the system.

We can't give this trade(or one without F3) to GWS for pick 15 as then Syd could have picked Weddle and it would be a wasted trade. The Phantoms show Syd picking him.

I would only have tried to upgrade our pick 48 to Syd's pick 42 and then if pick 42 turns out even half good, it becomes a brilliant trade. Also seeing we didn't ask for Sydney's pick 68 in deal, I would say we have no intention of taking Vickery today.

 

[KermitJagger]

I'm not having a go at the kid, from that highlights package he can clearly play and I am not unhappy we picked him up.

But if you get picked as All Australian under 18 Full Back then I think it would be very unusual (and quite frankly a bit unfair on Josh) to make him play midfielder or forward (both totally different positions that would take years too learn).

AFL is a tough gig no matter how talented you are and I think we would be better off playing him (intially at least) in the position he has shown to excel at.

That's why I made the comment about DGB. Fore me his is the spot Josh will be competing for next year.

Unless they throw Sicily into the midfield but that would be a massive call on Sam's behalf.

Since 2010, 3 of the U18 AA full backs are still on AFL lists and only one actually plays full back - De Koning. Gardiner is more of a 3rd tall and Kosi is playing forward.

There are also multiple U18 AA CHBs in Naughton, Mihocek and Hogan who are currently playing as forwards.

Not really unusual to switch positions going into an AFL environment.

 

[hawkinoz]

We've got nothing left to trade.

Bummers pick 22 may still be up for grabs. Sadly, they will need F2(WB) and 48 in deal. Quite likely they take similar offer from Blues or Saints for the same but you never know.

Lets hope one of Giants/Eagles/Dogs can do the right thing.

Then one of Clarke/Ryan/Cowan/George/Hotton/Hustwaite/Keeler/Burgiel/Barnett is up for grabs