No Oppo Supporters 2022 General AFL Discussion

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No Oppo Supporters - 2023 General AFLW Discussion

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[RUNVS]

I just spent about 3 minutes coming up with our best 22 of players who have played from 2012 onwards (the year the competition became an 18 team competition) and this is what I came up with. Can anyone see any flaws in the best 22?

B: N.Smith, T.Richards, R.Shaw
HB: J.McVeigh, H.Grundy, D.Rampe
C: L.Jetta, J.P. Kennedy, J.Lloyd
HF: L.Parker, L.Franklin, T.Papley
F: C.Mills, A.Goodes, I.Heeney
Foll: T.Hickey, K.Jack, D.Hannebery
Inter: L.Roberts-Thomson, E.Gulden, R.O'Keefe, K.Tippett

I tried to fit Malceski in there too but I couldn't quite, not with Shaw and McVeigh also in the team.

 

[Punts]

mal everyday of the week makes that side imo

also got a hard tag from one of the best coach’s ever in Clarkson so knows the damage.

 

[Punts]

Personally have him infront of the overpaid basketballer , Shaw , Lloyd and on par with smith

 

[RUNVS]

Personally have him infront of the overpaid basketballer , Shaw amd Lloyd

People forget that in 2014 and I think much of 2015 Tippett was AA level.

I do agree that Malceski would likely be ahead of Lloyd though. I want to keep Shaw in the side though as his run was amazing.

 

[caesar88]

I just spent about 3 minutes coming up with our best 22 of players who have played from 2012 onwards (the year the competition became an 18 team competition) and this is what I came up with. Can anyone see any flaws in the best 22?

B: N.Smith, T.Richards, R.Shaw
HB: J.McVeigh, H.Grundy, D.Rampe
C: L.Jetta, J.P. Kennedy, J.Lloyd
HF: L.Parker, L.Franklin, T.Papley
F: C.Mills, A.Goodes, I.Heeney
Foll: T.Hickey, K.Jack, D.Hannebery
Inter: L.Roberts-Thomson, E.Gulden, R.O'Keefe, K.Tippett

I tried to fit Malceski in there too but I couldn't quite, not with Shaw and McVeigh also in the team.

As Punts said, Malceski is in every day of the week. Better than Shaw and more damaging in his prime than McVeigh (though McVeigh had the better career.)

Also Mills shouldn't be in there, nor Gulden. (Not yet anyway.) Prior to last year, Mills had only been a solid medium defender, and Gulden's played not even 20 games yet. There's also a case that Pyke and/or Mumford played more good footy as ruck for us than Hickey has so far (only one season.)

 

[RUNVS]

As Punts said, Malceski is in every day of the week. Better than Shaw and more damaging in his prime than McVeigh (though McVeigh had the better career.)

Also Mills shouldn't be in there, nor Gulden. (Not yet anyway.) Prior to last year, Mills had only been a solid medium defender, and Gulden's played not even 20 games yet. There's also a case that Pyke and/or Mumford played more good footy as ruck for us than Hickey has so far (only one season.)

I genuinely think Gulden is in the best 22 of the decade. Massive call I know but who would you put in the side ahead of him that can do a similar role?

 

[Punts]

People forget that in 2014 and I think much of 2015 Tippett was AA level.

I do agree that Malceski would likely be ahead of Lloyd though. I want to keep Shaw in the side though as his run was amazing.

Mal interception, run and foot skills killed Shaw imo

Tippett played half a good season amd was way off AA let’s be honest

Will go down as one of the worst gets amd paid the club has ever had and most people in footy agree

 

[RUNVS]

So would this be better

B: N.Smith, T.Richards, R.Shaw
HB: N.Malceski, H.Grundy, D.Rampe
C: L.Jetta, J.P. Kennedy, J.McVeigh
HF: L.Parker, L.Franklin, T.Papley
F: C.Mills, A.Goodes, I.Heeney
Foll: T.Hickey, K.Jack, D.Hannebery
Inter: L.Roberts-Thomson, E.Gulden, R.O'Keefe, K.Tippett

 

[Punts]

I would have mummy and Pyle before tippet

 

[RUNVS]

Genuine question as well. Who is better as first ruck. Hickey or Mumford?

Also I picked Tippett over Mumford as my reasoning is a second ruck should be able to play a few positions, and Mumford could only really play ruck whereas Tippett could be damaging up forward too.

 

[caesar88]

I genuinely think Gulden is in the best 22 of the decade. Massive call I know but who would you put in the side ahead of him that can do a similar role?

McGlynn? Even Rohan or Hayward, those frustrating forward types.

Gulden will be there by the end of this decade I bet but you're ignoring some pretty handy contributions from guys who played far more than 18 games.

I think you need to decide if you are going on talent/ability or output/performance. Your 22 seems to be a bit of a jumbled mish-mash of both. (I appreciate the idea though, it's a good discussion topic.)

 

[Punts]

J Bolton amd mattner I would have infront of Tippett and they where finished

 

[RUNVS]

McGlynn? Even Rohan or Hayward, those frustrating forward types.

Gulden will be there by the end of this decade I bet but you're ignoring some pretty handy contributions from guys who played far more than 18 games.

McGlynn maybe but not Hayward as he is a bit too inconsistent at the moment and definitely not Rohan.

 

[caesar88]

McGlynn maybe but not Hayward as he is a bit too inconsistent at the moment and definitely not Rohan.

Like I said though, are you going on talent/ability or output/performance? Because Hayward & Rohan played more games and have done more than Gulden simply by the volume of games they've played compared to him over a longer period of time.

And if you're going to go with purely talent, then agree you'd pick Gulden, but you'd also have to have the likes of Blakey & McInerney over McVeigh & Nick Smith, and that just wouldn't be right.

 

[RUNVS]

Like I said though, are you going on talent/ability or output/performance? Because Hayward & Rohan played more games and have done more than Gulden simply by the volume of games they've played compared to him over a longer period of time.

And if you're going to go with purely talent, then agree you'd pick Gulden, but you'd also have to have the likes of Blakey & McInerney over McVeigh & Nick Smith, and that just wouldn't be right.

I am going by what each player has achieved based on a reasonable number of games. So I didn't include Ronke as sure his best game is 7 goals but he hasn't done anything since then. Gulden though, while he has only played 20 games or so I believe the body of work in those games is enough to get him over Hayward and Rohan, Rohan especially was known for having some shocking games, Gulden not so much.

 

[caesar88]

I am going by what each player has achieved based on a reasonable number of games. So I didn't include Ronke as sure his best game is 7 goals but he hasn't done anything since then. Gulden though, while he has only played 20 games or so I believe the body of work in those games is enough to get him over Hayward and Rohan, Rohan especially was known for having some shocking games, Gulden not so much.

You think Gulden's 18 games were better than Hayward's first two seasons combined, where he became the fastest player since Buddy Franklin to kick 50 career goals? That's just madness IMO, and I am a Hayward sceptic.

 

[RUNVS]

You think Gulden's 18 games were better than Hayward's first two seasons combined, where he became the fastest player since Buddy Franklin to kick 50 career goals? That's just madness IMO, and I am a Hayward sceptic.

Gulden kicked fewer goals but he did other things better. He was better at applying pressure and much better at kicking inside 50. Gulden was number 1 in the AFL for a good portion of the AFL season (perhaps all of it) in stat of marks as a result of his inside 50 kicks. Something like over 50% of his inside 50's led to a mark which was huge.

 

[caesar88]

Gulden kicked fewer goals but he did other things better. He was better at applying pressure and much better at kicking inside 50. Gulden was number 1 in the AFL for a good portion of the AFL season (perhaps all of it) in stat of marks as a result of his inside 50 kicks. Something like over 50% of his inside 50's led to a mark which was huge.

I am not denying Gulden's talent, he's a freak. But it was 18 games. But to each their own.

 

[Kiama Chris]

So would this be better

B: N.Smith, T.Richards, R.Shaw
HB: N.Malceski, H.Grundy, D.Rampe
C: L.Jetta, J.P. Kennedy, J.McVeigh
HF: L.Parker, L.Franklin, T.Papley
F: C.Mills, A.Goodes, I.Heeney
Foll: T.Hickey, K.Jack, D.Hannebery
Inter: L.Roberts-Thomson, E.Gulden, R.O'Keefe, K.Tippett

Reckon that's getting pretty close.
Great exercise!
A lot depends on how you structure up.
Agree with your back 6 but McVeigh mainly played loose man in defence for a lot of that time so I would start him on the bench, not on the wing.
I would have Hannebery as the other winger and start Parker on the ball.
The ruck is really hard. Mumford played most of his footy at GWS. I'd go Hickey too but it's very arguable.
The bench is too tall with both LRT and Tippett. Need Tippett as cut out ruck so LRT misses out ().
Too soon for Gulden but maybe Benny should get a run.
My attempt:
Smith Richards Shaw
Malceski Grundy Rampe
Jetta Kennedy Hannebery
O'Keeffe Franklin Heeney
Papley Tippett McGlynn
Hickey Parker Jack
IC Goodes McVeigh Mills Lloyd
A lot of flexibility in that mob.
A few who coulda, maybe shoulda.

 

[RUNVS]

The bench is too tall with both LRT and Tippett. Need Tippett as cut out ruck so LRT misses out ().

I am pretty sure what you said just here is a bannable offence on this forum.

 

[BloodySwan]

I just spent about 3 minutes coming up with our best 22 of players who have played from 2012 onwards (the year the competition became an 18 team competition) and this is what I came up with. Can anyone see any flaws in the best 22?

B: N.Smith, T.Richards, R.Shaw
HB: J.McVeigh, H.Grundy, D.Rampe
C: L.Jetta, J.P. Kennedy, J.Lloyd
HF: L.Parker, L.Franklin, T.Papley
F: C.Mills, A.Goodes, I.Heeney
Foll: T.Hickey, K.Jack, D.Hannebery
Inter: L.Roberts-Thomson, E.Gulden, R.O'Keefe, K.Tippett

I tried to fit Malceski in there too but I couldn't quite, not with Shaw and McVeigh also in the team.

Pyke >>>>> Hickey

Also Malceski deserves a spot over Gulden. I think the kid will be a gun but Malceski was a huge driver from defence

Also you're basing this off of players from 2012 onwards - LRT doesn't keep his spot based off of that form. His last 2 years he did nothing, while 2012 he was lucky to be in the side

 

[RUNVS]

Pyke >>>>> Hickey

Also Malceski deserves a spot over Gulden. I think the kid will be a gun but Malceski was a huge driver from defence

Also you're basing this off of players from 2012 onwards - LRT doesn't keep his spot based off of that form. His last 2 years he did nothing, while 2012 he was lucky to be in the side

LRT was one of our best players in the 2012 Grand Final though.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

I would not have McGlynn.

 

[bedford]

I just spent about 3 minutes coming up with our best 22 of players who have played from 2012 onwards (the year the competition became an 18 team competition) and this is what I came up with. Can anyone see any flaws in the best 22?

B: N.Smith, T.Richards, R.Shaw
HB: J.McVeigh, H.Grundy, D.Rampe
C: L.Jetta, J.P. Kennedy, J.Lloyd
HF: L.Parker, L.Franklin, T.Papley
F: C.Mills, A.Goodes, I.Heeney
Foll: T.Hickey, K.Jack, D.Hannebery
Inter: L.Roberts-Thomson, E.Gulden, R.O'Keefe, K.Tippett

I tried to fit Malceski in there too but I couldn't quite, not with Shaw and McVeigh also in the team.

When did Lloyd play on the wing . Hickey has played for 5 minutes ! waste of time

 

[bedford]

LRT was one of our best players in the 2012 Grand Final though.

And 05 and for many years