No Oppo Supporters 2022 General AFL Discussion

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No Oppo Supporters - 2023 General AFLW Discussion

First week of AFLW already knee injuries galore

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[robbieando]

I think the article in today’s Financial Review summed this up best. He was not suited to the position due to the findings against him from the Royal Commission. This was not an ethical appointment when he did the headhunting and decided he was the best person for the role.

His religion was not the biggest factor towards his disqualification from the role IMO. Using his religion to question the appointment was just low hanging fruit as the AFR article states, his job history alone does that and shows that he is not capable of holding a possible in the AFL let alone in business.

God saved Essendon from Andrew Thorburn

Late on Tuesday, Thorburn resigned just 24 hours into his commission. Earlier in the day, he was defending how “my faith has helped me become a better leader”.

“That’s really what I want people to look at, look at my actions, look at my words as a leader and the organisations I’ve created…”

His last organisation charged customers – including dead ones – more than $650 million in fees for no service, then in the witness stand he tried to dismiss it as carelessness.

This man of great integrity was so soundly flayed by the Royal Commission into Misconduct in the Banking, Superannuation and Financial Services Industry that he was forced to resign immediately upon the release of its final report.

It caused commissioner Kenneth Hayne some umbrage that “Mr Thorburn sought to assert that no one knew this was happening. The money just kept ‘falling into NAB’s pocket’… He sought to portray the charging of fees for no service as a product of poor systems and carelessness. It was, in his words, ‘just professional negligence’… I cannot and do not accept this.”

This is unequivocally the description of an unethical organisation whose rotten culture flowed down from the very top.

On Monday, Essendon president David Barham boasted that, “to my knowledge, no other AFL club has ever secured the services of an ASX-listed top 10 company CEO to run its club”.

Barham omitted a key adjective here. Thorburn is a disgraced former ASX 10 company CEO. No other AFL club has ever secured the services of a disgraced former ASX 10 company CEO for the very good reason that no other AFL club has ever sought to.

How was it, precisely, that Essendon secured Thorburn’s services? Melbourne’s Herald Sun reported on August 27 that Thorburn had been engaged by Essendon to “conduct an independent review … which will focus on”, among other things, “the appointment of a new CEO”.

That’s right, Thorburn did at Essendon Football Club in 2022 precisely what David Gonski did at the Future Fund in 2012 and what Dick Cheney did in 2000 as chairman of George W. Bush’s vice-presidential search committee: he used his position as the headhunter to win the job for himself.

Thorburn even interviewed other (unsuspecting) candidates for the role – memorising the best parts of their pitches, no doubt! – before declaring himself a candidate. How is that ethical?!

You also couldn’t expect Thorburn to fix Essendon’s historically scandalous culture. This is the same guy who’s chief of staff defrauded NAB of $5 million without him having a clue. The judge said he found it “absolutely staggering that those frauds were not detected by some appropriate system of internal auditing”.

It is a striking reality that in football today, being on the wrong side of diversity and inclusion issues is considered a far bigger black mark on a person than their questionable integrity or their record of ripping people off.

But Essendon is a weird club full of deeply weird people. Thorburn would’ve fit right in.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

I think the article in today’s Financial Review summed this up best. He was not suited to the position due to the findings against him from the Royal Commission. This was not an ethical appointment when he did the headhunting and decided he was the best person for the role.

His religion was not the biggest factor towards his disqualification from the role IMO. Using his religion to question the appointment was just low hanging fruit as the AFR article states, his job history alone does that and shows that he is not capable of holding a possible in the AFL let alone in business.

God saved Essendon from Andrew Thorburn

What are your thoughts on the Geelong cap i recall in the past you posted a bit on the 3rd party deals and stuff.

Do you think what they are doing is legit?

 

[robbieando]

What are your thoughts on the Geelong cap i recall in the past you posted a bit on the 3rd party deals and stuff.

Do you think what they are doing is legit?

Every club has the same extra TPA cap above the normal salary cap and sponsorship deals are policed and signed off by the AFL. I believe everything is above board and legal otherwise the Tax Department would be crawling over the players and their families for so called “hidden payments“ of land, homes and pubs” for possible fringe benefit tax avoidance.

I think successful Victorian clubs like Geelong and Richmond have a strict salary structure and don’t move from it. If a player wants more money they can move to another club or sign elsewhere.

I think this is the model we are moving towards but have to factor in cost of living so can’t be as aggressive in chasing top end talent via trade.

 

[bedford]

Love your work Robbie

 

[The King!]

What are your thoughts on the Geelong cap i recall in the past you posted a bit on the 3rd party deals and stuff.

Do you think what they are doing is legit?

Get the sense Geelong are just bloody smart and maximise everything

 

[sataris]

Every club has the same extra TPA cap above the normal salary cap and sponsorship deals are policed and signed off by the AFL. I believe everything is above board and legal otherwise the Tax Department would be crawling over the players and their families for so called “hidden payments“ of land, homes and pubs” for possible fringe benefit tax avoidance.

I think successful Victorian clubs like Geelong and Richmond have a strict salary structure and don’t move from it. If a player wants more money they can move to another club or sign elsewhere.

I think this is the model we are moving towards but have to factor in cost of living so can’t be as aggressive in chasing top end talent via trade.

I don't think the AFL salary cap is of any real concern to the ATO.

I think the players and their families are declaring everything and are paying the right amount of tax. But declaring everything to the ATO has nothing to do with breaching any of the rules around the cap.

If my AFL contract says I get $400,000 and I get something outside the cap (lets say $100,000). I still declare to the ATO that I earned $500,000.

I don't see a mechanism for the ATO turning around and telling the AFL, "sataris earned an extra $100,000".

But then again I'm a dickhead on a forum, so if I'm wrong I'd love to know how this works.

 

[RW]

I think the article in today’s Financial Review summed this up best. He was not suited to the position due to the findings against him from the Royal Commission. This was not an ethical appointment when he did the headhunting and decided he was the best person for the role.

His religion was not the biggest factor towards his disqualification from the role IMO. Using his religion to question the appointment was just low hanging fruit as the AFR article states, his job history alone does that and shows that he is not capable of holding a possible in the AFL let alone in business.

God saved Essendon from Andrew Thorburn

Well said, I don't know what Essendon were thinking...

 

[robbieando]

I don't think the AFL salary cap is of any real concern to the ATO.

I think the players and their families are declaring everything and are paying the right amount of tax. But declaring everything to the ATO has nothing to do with breaching any of the rules around the cap.

If my AFL contract says I get $400,000 and I get something outside the cap (lets say $100,000). I still declare to the ATO that I earned $500,000.

I don't see a mechanism for the ATO turning around and telling the AFL, "sataris earned an extra $100,000".

But then again I'm a dickhead on a forum, so if I'm wrong I'd love to know how this works.

The ATO would become involved if a case of wrong doing was discovered by the AFL as was the case with Carlton 20 years ago:

Blues face tax office probe

www.theage.com.au

Carlton Football Club faces a tax probe that may drain more cash from its depleted coffers. The Blues may also face penalties for breaching accounting laws on top of a $930,000 AFL fine and draft penalties for its salary cap infringements.

The Australian Taxation Office is looking at the tax affairs of Carlton and key players after revelations about secret payments to players. The ATO wants to determine whether the Blues failed to tell it about those payments and other perks, and possibly evaded tax. It is likely to also check the tax returns of the players involved.

Carlton stars who have been subject to an AFL inquiry include Stephen Silvagni, Craig Bradley and Fraser Brown.

The investigation by the tax office comes after the corporate watchdog, the Australian Securities and Investments Commission, said it had contacted the AFL and Carlton's auditors to ask if there was any breach of accounting standards or the Corporations Law.

It is believed the tax office probe will look at whether Carlton failed to pay fringe benefits and other taxes. It will ask if any players understated their income from match payments and other income, and under-paid tax.

 

[Membling]

how does snoopy sit on the peak of that kennel

I... have not thought about it

 

[Dubai Quacker]

how does snoopy sit on the peak of that kennel

Our GF effort was like Charlie Brown trying to kick that football.

 

[GotTheGoodes]

Mods: This is not a footy discussion. I for one would appreciate if it were moved elsewhere.

You do know we don't sit online 24/7 watching as each new post goes up right?

Tag one of us!

(or send a PM or report a post to get our attention)

For everyone:
As for the thread... Back to footy. You want to ramble about the merits of sponsorships or faith or politics or anything else please take it to a thread that isn't "AFL discussion".

Ta.
Mods.

 

[sataris]

The ATO would become involved if a case of wrong doing was discovered by the AFL as was the case with Carlton 20 years ago:

Blues face tax office probe

www.theage.com.au

That's basically what I said?

That scenario is AFL telling ATO. I'm talking about ATO telling AFL.

 

[mtooler]

But please leave my Lion's comment. It was funneeeeeee

Took me a while to figure the subtle gag, although they didn't find it amusing at the time.

 

[mtooler]

Every club has the same extra TPA cap above the normal salary cap and sponsorship deals are policed and signed off by the AFL. I believe everything is above board and legal otherwise the Tax Department would be crawling over the players and their families for so called “hidden payments“ of land, homes and pubs” for possible fringe benefit tax avoidance.

I think successful Victorian clubs like Geelong and Richmond have a strict salary structure and don’t move from it. If a player wants more money they can move to another club or sign elsewhere.

I think this is the model we are moving towards but have to factor in cost of living so can’t be as aggressive in chasing top end talent via trade.

I agree we are moving towards it. Pies and GWS too.

 

[Ticky009]

 

[Millky95]

Sounds like a terrible idea

 

[bedford]

Sounds like a terrible idea

Why , i think it's a great idea

 

[Millky95]

Why , i think it's a great idea

Multiple games at the same ground on the same day would likely destroy the surface. There are only 3 AFL grounds in NSW (assuming ANZ is available and not including Canberra). GWS don't pull a crowd so a good chance a lot of these games will have very few fans in attendance

 

[bedford]

Great promotion for the game the 3 grounds will be enough . Do you have any turf experience ?

 

[bedford]

Stevie J now coach of Yarrawonga and will coach against Schneider , Ben Reid

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Ben Reid

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.3

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.0

5star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.6

4star

No current season stats available

D

14.0

4star

K

8.6

4star

HB

5.4

4star

M

6.0

5star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.0

1star

and possibly Cressa in the Ovens & Murray

 

[Millky95]

Great promotion for the game the 3 grounds will be enough . Do you have any turf experience ?

No. Do you, mate?

It works in the NRL because it is done in an NRL city. Doing it in Sydney will be poor. Should be done in Melbourne and more importantly, not done at all.

And I don't see how it will be great promotion for the game when more games are being held when no one turns up to half of the games in the city anyway

 

[bedford]

No. Do you, mate?

It works in the NRL because it is done in an NRL city. Doing it in Sydney will be poor. Should be done in Melbourne and more importantly, not done at all.

And I don't see how it will be great promotion for the game when more games are being held when no one turns up to half of the games in the city anyway

I do actually as have curated at Premier cricket level , the new grass types are hard wearing and can cope , the only issue is the weather up there

 

[sataris]

I do actually as have curated at Premier cricket level , the new grass types are hard wearing and can cope , the only issue is the weather up there

Have you ever done anything with undersoil heating? This isn't related to this, but I'm curious.

 

[SwansProudly]

TV ratings for AFL and NRL

It suggests a four-day weekend can be a strong lure away from the TV, even on grand final weekend. It proves that a dud game does no favours for anyone except one-eyed fans of the victors, and certainly not the neutrals.

It proves that the ideal final almost certainly features a well-supported team from Sydney or Melbourne against one from another state, because Sydney people will watch the NRL final regardless, and Melbourne people will watch the AFL, but others need a reason.

Dropping the ball? What to make of the TV ratings for footy grand finals

Numbers were down for the two biggest games in Australian sport. But the picture is more complicated than that suggests.

www.theage.com.au

 

[kelpie_X]

Have you ever done anything with undersoil heating? This isn't related to this, but I'm curious.

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