Discussion 2022 General AFL Discussion

[bergholt]

My point is more centered around the defence of “we need more context” you absolutely don’t. Think of it this way. If it turns out that they absolutely did ask a player to leave his pregnant wife and asked a player to terminate a pregnancy. What hypothetical context is there that makes it okay?

I reckon the defence will end up being "we didn't ask him to do that, we just said sorry mate but that's going to be a big challenge for your career" and he interpreted that as an instruction. Something like that anyway. A fundamental misunderstanding caused by cultural differences blah blah blah.

 

[phantom13]

I reckon the defence will end up being "we didn't ask him to do that, we just said sorry mate but that's going to be a big challenge for your career" and he interpreted that as an instruction. Something like that anyway. A fundamental misunderstanding caused by cultural differences blah blah blah.

Could be, thats not a contextual change to what is claimed though, thats a complete change to the wording, intent and tone of the convo.

I think even "we didn't ask him to do that, we just said sorry mate but that's going to be a big challenge for your career" is pretty piss poor anyway.

 

[sunny3193]

My point is more centered around the defence of “we need more context” you absolutely don’t. Think of it this way. If it turns out that they absolutely did ask a player to leave his pregnant wife and asked a player to terminate a pregnancy. What hypothetical context is there that makes it okay?

Eugenics.
If that’s your thing.

 

[phantom13]

Eugenics.
If that’s your thing.

Not wrong. Well, defs wrong but…
You get my point

 

[PoppedCorn]

* I’m well and truly over hearing about Selwood and *en Geelong.

Agreed
But im even more over hearing about jordan bloody degoey

FMD
sort it out ffs

 

[StFly]

I don’t understand your answer or you don’t understand my post.

Im saying there is no reason for these players and family to lie about what happened. What’s in it for them? All it does is thrust them into the spotlight, which they’d probably prefer not to be. In other words, there’s probably a lot of truth to their claims.

I've bolded the bit as to the why.

If you run with the mafia aspect as some of us did before media did, that exerts control instances where one might not have a voice of their own, hence fear sicne they don't feel comfortable enough to disconnect from that entity. If that continued and you are simply too scared, conditioned or otherwise to find that voice, the bolded assumption is incorrect and the spotlight is demanded because you are using their voice to substitute your own and facts be damned if it shines in the first moment.

You have to then assume "time" to these statements and those actions from all people involved.

Granted, extremely unlikely, was just spitballing that there is a world where they BS just to make others find out truth because of that much fear of someone watching everything you do and everywhere you are.

 

[phantom13]

I've bolded the bit as to the why.

If you run with the mafia aspect as some of us did before media did, that exerts control instances where one might not have a voice of their own, hence fear sicne they don't feel comfortable enough to disconnect from that entity. If that continued and you are simply too scared, conditioned or otherwise to find that voice, the bolded assumption is incorrect and the spotlight is demanded because you are using their voice to substitute your own and facts be damned if it shines in the first moment.

You have to then assume "time" to these statements and those actions from all people involved.

Granted, extremely unlikely, was just spitballing that there is a world where they BS just to make others find out truth because of that much fear of someone watching everything you do and everywhere you are.

In all seriousness I have no idea what this is meant to mean

 

[Hayes4PM]

Essendon have done alright here, considering how badly they ****ed over their last senior coach they have done alright to get Brad Scott.

 

[George]

Essendon have done alright here, considering how badly they *ed over their last senior coach they have done alright to get Brad Scott.

You reckon? I don't rate Scott at all. Think it's a pretty uninspired appointment with Yze sitting there for the taking. Should've been going after a fresh coach with new ideas as opposed to a tried and tested one, IMO.

 

[StFly]

Essendon have done alright here, considering how badly they *ed over their last senior coach they have done alright to get Brad Scott.

North reject that walked from shoddy commission backroom to head coach is hardly a promising head coach appointment.

I suppose it's better than the tweaker talk though.

 

[Hayes4PM]

You reckon? I don't rate Scott at all. Think it's a pretty uninspired appointment with Yze sitting there for the taking. Should've been going after a fresh coach with new ideas as opposed to a tried and tested one, IMO.

I reckon he's alright, most clubs would be a bit skeptical, but this is Essendon. They should consider themselves lucky to get someone in at all after the shit show this year. ****, they were talking up the possibility of Hird returning lol.

 

[Drop Kick]

I reckon he's alright, most clubs would be a bit skeptical, but this is Essendon. They should consider themselves lucky to get someone in at all after the s**t show this year. *, they were talking up the possibility of Hird returning lol.

Scott might offer Hird a job at the hangar, maybe kicking the ball back in if it goes over the fence at training. Ease him back into the Essendon environment.

 

[phantom13]

I’m genuinely a little disappointed.

The absolute circus from the media would have been a delight if they had been dumb enough to appoint Hird.

 

[bergholt]

You reckon? I don't rate Scott at all. Think it's a pretty uninspired appointment with Yze sitting there for the taking. Should've been going after a fresh coach with new ideas as opposed to a tried and tested one, IMO.

Feels like Yze has missed out on a few senior gigs now, I wonder if he’s the Brian Royal or Robert Harvey type who just won’t quite ever impress enough.

 

[austinnn]

You reckon? I don't rate Scott at all. Think it's a pretty uninspired appointment with Yze sitting there for the taking. Should've been going after a fresh coach with new ideas as opposed to a tried and tested one, IMO.

I'm not a huge fan of Brad Scott but I am a big fan of his twin brother: surely they must share a bit of the same approach. Plus BScott has a fair bit of experience at a struggling club. I'd say a lot of the problems he had at North resulted from the club's limits, maybe at a richer club that backs him, he'll go further, as Chris has.

I would have chosen Yze personally, but maybe a young debutant coach wouldn't be such a great fit for a club on their knees.

 

[my name was taken]

I expect quality memes the first time Scott blows up in the box about an umpire

 

[gringo2011]

You reckon? I don't rate Scott at all. Think it's a pretty uninspired appointment with Yze sitting there for the taking. Should've been going after a fresh coach with new ideas as opposed to a tried and tested one, IMO.

They've gone the safer option, he did okay with the sides he had. He was cooked at North but he got some pretty ordinary sides up the ladder when he was coaching. He's like a less bland Ratts IMO and he's going to have a premiership coach as a sounding board and a guide to get back up to date.

Yze has a higher ceiling but more bust potential and after their last few appointments they needed safe.

 

[sammm]

North reject that walked from shoddy commission backroom to head coach is hardly a promising head coach appointment.

I suppose it's better than the tweaker talk though.

its better than Lyon, or Hird

 

[pebblesofsand]

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I'm not a huge fan of Brad Scott but I am a big fan of his twin brother: surely they must share a bit of the same approach. Plus BScott has a fair bit of experience at a struggling club. I'd say a lot of the problems he had at North resulted from the club's limits, maybe at a richer club that backs him, he'll go further, as Chris has.

I would have chosen Yze personally, but maybe a young debutant coach wouldn't be such a great fit for a club on their knees.

Seems a bit OTT, 4 years for a coach who hasn't coached in three years and was running at around 35% over his last 3 years.

I suppose they have the maximum $50k payout to fall back on - not a great way to enter a contract.

 

[Sully111]

Can't stand Brad Scott. Happy days

 

[bergholt]

Seems a bit OTT, 4 years for a coach who hasn't coached in three years and was running at around 35% over his last 3 years.

Their list wasn't great in 2019 though right?

Bold here are still on their list, italic are on another club's list.

150+ games: Thompson, Goldstein, Higgins, Ziebell, Cunnington, Atley
80+ games: Macmillan, Wright, Pittard, Tarrant, Tyson, Polec, Williams, Hall, Brown, McDonald, Jacobs
20+ games: Hrovat, Dumont, Turner, Daw, Anderson, Campbell, Wood, Simpkin, Garner
1+ games: Vickers-Willis, Ahern, Durdin, Zurhaar, Davies-Uniacke, Walker, Murphy, Larkey, McKay
0 games: Thomas, Scott, Taylor, Watson, Crocker, Hayden, Xerri, McKenzie, Wilkinson, Murphy, Hosie

That's only three years ago and only 17 guys are still on their list! And 6 are elsewhere including two at the Saints.

Oh and one of the guys they still have is Polec who played 2 games this year because he's cooked.

So more than half that list - 24 guys including Polec - have been burned in the last three years. They had some old AAs (Higgins, Goldstein, Thompson), some guys who had been on the fringes of AA but really weren't that good (Tarrant, Brown, Cunnington, Pittard), and a bunch of pretty mediocre core guys.

I'm not sure if Scott's any sort of coach but it's not super surprising if he couldn't do much with that list.

 

[George]

They've gone the safer option, he did okay with the sides he had. He was cooked at North but he got some pretty ordinary sides up the ladder when he was coaching. He's like a less bland Ratts IMO and he's going to have a premiership coach as a sounding board and a guide to get back up to date.

Yze has a higher ceiling but more bust potential and after their last few appointments they needed safe.

I don't think it's safe. He's been out of the game for 3 years, seems to me that the other candidates either interviewed horribly, nobody wanted to go to Essendon, or the Bombers were desperate.

 

[L_W_P]

We live in a world where James Hird is a serious candidate for the Essendon coaching job. I'll believe people becoming unemployable when I see it.

If the Hawks situation is true then it's worse than Hird IMO.

I understand taking drugs to try and win in physical competition.

****ing around with a player's family is beyond all reasonable scope. You don't like him off the training track? Sack him.

Otherwise GTFO yourself and let someone who isn't a total psychopath take charge.

 

[Sun Ra]

If the Hawks situation is true then it's worse than Hird IMO.

I understand taking drugs to try and win in physical competition.

******* around with a player's family is beyond all reasonable scope. You don't like him off the training track? Sack him.

Otherwise GTFO yourself and let someone who isn't a total psychopath take charge.

The first word of your post is indeed the question.

 

[The Punter]

If the Hawks situation is true then it's worse than Hird IMO.

I understand taking drugs to try and win in physical competition.

******* around with a player's family is beyond all reasonable scope. You don't like him off the training track? Sack him.

Otherwise GTFO yourself and let someone who isn't a total psychopath take charge.

Without downplaying what happened at Hawthorn in any way, the Essendon players were injected with unidentified substances. Considering the substances were unidentified, there is no possible way any of the Essendon players in question could have given informed consent. It was pretty bad.

And the point I was making is one I have made before - there is a level where people can get to where they can't fail. There's always another parachute. Which is why, while I believe (if the allegations are true) that Clarkson's time in any capacity in the game should be done, I'll believe it when that happens.