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The appointment of former National Australia Bank boss Andrew Thorburn as the CEO of Essendon Football Club landed like a turd in the punch bowl.
The fierce indignation centred on Thorburn’s extracurricular role as the chairman of a church that espouses Old Testament views of homosexuality as a “sexual immorality” and compares abortion to the Holocaust. “Absolutely appalling” is how Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews described these attitudes on Tuesday, and himself as a “disappointed Essendon supporter”.
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Andrew Thorburn’s appointment as Essendon chief executive was not well received by Victorian Premier and Bombers supporter Daniel Andrews. Eddie Jim, Alex Ellinghausen
That’s low-hanging fruit, to be sure, but Thorburn’s fire and brimstone side hustle has completely overshadowed two other preposterous ingredients of this story: first, the way in which Thorburn finagled the gig; and second, the Essendon board’s collective delusion in believing him “a man of great integrity and exceptional vision”.
Late on Tuesday, Thorburn resigned just 24 hours into his commission. Earlier in the day, he was defending how “my faith has helped me become a better leader”.
“That’s really what I want people to look at, look at my actions, look at my words as a leader and the organisations I’ve created…”

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His last organisation charged customers – including dead ones – more than $650 million in fees for no service, then in the witness stand he tried to dismiss it as carelessness.
This man of great integrity was so soundly flayed by the Royal Commission into Misconduct in the Banking, Superannuation and Financial Services Industry that he was forced to resign immediately upon the release of its final report.
It caused commissioner Kenneth Hayne some umbrage that “Mr Thorburn sought to assert that no one knew this was happening. The money just kept ‘falling into NAB’s pocket’… He sought to portray the charging of fees for no service as a product of poor systems and carelessness. It was, in his words, ‘just professional negligence’… I cannot and do not accept this.”

‘Rotten culture’​

Hayne found that “NAB also stands apart from the other three major banks. Having heard from both the CEO, Mr Thorburn, and the chair, Dr [Ken] Henry… I was not persuaded that NAB is willing to accept the necessary responsibility for deciding, for itself, what is the right thing to do, and then having its staff act accordingly … Overall, my fear – that there may be a wide gap between the public face NAB seeks to show and what it does in practice – remains.”
This is unequivocally the description of an unethical organisation whose rotten culture flowed down from the very top.

On Monday, Essendon president David Barham boasted that, “to my knowledge, no other AFL club has ever secured the services of an ASX-listed top 10 company CEO to run its club”.
Barham omitted a key adjective here. Thorburn is a disgraced former ASX 10 company CEO. No other AFL club has ever secured the services of a disgraced former ASX 10 company CEO for the very good reason that no other AFL club has ever sought to.
How was it, precisely, that Essendon secured Thorburn’s services? Melbourne’s Herald Sun reported on August 27 that Thorburn had been engaged by Essendon to “conduct an independent review … which will focus on”, among other things, “the appointment of a new CEO”.
That’s right, Thorburn did at Essendon Football Club in 2022 precisely what David Gonski did at the Future Fund in 2012 and what Dick Cheney did in 2000 as chairman of George W. Bush’s vice-presidential search committee: he used his position as the headhunter to win the job for himself.
Thorburn even interviewed other (unsuspecting) candidates for the role – memorising the best parts of their pitches, no doubt! – before declaring himself a candidate. How is that ethical?!
Essendon is obviously sensitive about the dreadful optics here, given its torturous explanation of how Thorburn went from refereeing the race to raising the trophy.

You also couldn’t expect Thorburn to fix Essendon’s historically scandalous culture. This is the same guy whose chief of staff defrauded NAB of $5 million without him having a clue. The judge said he found it “absolutely staggering that those frauds were not detected by some appropriate system of internal auditing”.
It is a striking reality that in football today, being on the wrong side of diversity and inclusion issues is considered a far bigger black mark on a person than their questionable integrity or their record of ripping people off.
Barham is quite clearly out of his depth. His first press conference as president – defending the sacking of coach Ben Rutten – goes down as one of the worst in AFL history.
But Essendon is a weird club full of deeply weird people. Thorburn would’ve fit right in.
The irony of Andrews having an opinion on his attitudes lmao
 
So will Essendon now appoint the candidate that finished 2nd to Thorburn in their CEO process or will they have to go back to the well. They might have to appoint a recruitment company to find their next CEO as there appears to be issues with Essendon's processes. :D:D
 
1st thing, does Essendon actually do background checks and due diligence or was it a " i know a bloke' kinda operation.

Like seriously what a F up!

2nd thing, I was kinda surprised in the first place for them to actually get someone with his credentials. It's now obvious why he took the position lol



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I blame God for this.

When Andrew Thorburn was a little boy,PP he regularly knelt down, closed his little eyes and prayed to God that he could be the CEO of Essendon one day.

God thought he said *for*1 day.
God works in mysterious ways.
 
1st thing, does Essendon actually do background checks and due diligence or was it a " i know a bloke' kinda operation.

Like seriously what a F up!

2nd thing, I was kinda surprised in the first place for them to actually get someone with his credentials. It's now obvious why he took the position lol



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Essendon is run like a giant boys club.

It is always "I know a mate" operation
 
That’s your best post ever Dard.
What a load of bollocks.
May it keep coming!

Question: if you were Finnis, would you be interested or unavailable if called?
Hell yes! Cleaning Essendon's reputation I'm making them seem professional again would seal his legacy as much as a master coach turning St Killda into a powerhouse on field.
 

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The fact the prez actually came out and said they weren’t aware of his background is just, chefs kiss

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It would have sounded better from the club's perspective if they'd said, " we were aware of his background, and we considered that he was enough of a professional that the would not have let his personal opinions and his religion totally separate from his role at Essendon. "

as it is , its just ..." duh...we don know "
 
I think the best quote was Barham was actually when he talked about the due diligence and said he called “at least 5 very well known high profile people”…

Ohhhh well you really did your homework didn’t you.

Couldn't find the royal commission report to save their lives.
 
It would have sounded better from the club's perspective if they'd said, " we were aware of his background, and we considered that he was enough of a professional that the would not have let his personal opinions and his religion totally separate from his role at Essendon. "

as it is , its just ..." duh...we don know "
I can’t believe that’s what they went with. Baffling management. Imagine the melts here if we were that much of a joke
 
I can’t believe that’s what they went with. Baffling management. Imagine the melts here if we were that much of a joke
Imagine if to us, it was more important that Robert Harvey and, say, Stan Alves were involved with the club in a high profile way than winning games.

Then you scratch the surface of what the collective behaviour of Essendon Football Club is pursuing.

Great Scott!!!
 
Essendon is run like a giant boys club.

It is always "I know a mate" operation


Like Carlton it's a head butting ego fest with a heap of guys who think that they know best. The club gets pulled in every direction. They chose a head-kicker in the Paul Little mould because he was the last guy who could control all the factions. Unfortunately they found a hardcore campaigner type and then realised he really was a bit of a campaigner and the public don't like them.

They knew exactly what they were getting, they just hoped that no-one would google him.
 
Hell yes! Cleaning Essendon's reputation I'm making them seem professional again would seal his legacy as much as a master coach turning St Killda into a powerhouse on field.


He'd get eaten alive. He'd not even make 24 hours. "Lets turn Essendon into a proper inclusive club with less focus on footy and a more wholistic approach".
 
Like Carlton it's a head butting ego fest with a heap of guys who think that they know best. The club gets pulled in every direction. They chose a head-kicker in the Paul Little mould because he was the last guy who could control all the factions. Unfortunately they found a hardcore campaigner type and then realised he really was a bit of a campaigner and the public don't like them.

They knew exactly what they were getting, they just hoped that no-one would google him.

Blues: Would be mobsters. Higher class ready to stab you and shake your hand at the same time.
Bombers: Dock workers on smoko seeing the above and going "yeah, I'll give it a shot" never shuts up about it.
Pies: Those that swindled free education from other individuals, think they're separate, just screw up less frequently.
Tigers: friends with the dock workers as these guys work in construction and deconstruction. Can remove your house in record time.
Demons: Once were homeless, living paycheque to paycheque, happy to be here.
North: Still homeless, looking for a friend through discarded papers. Angry at the world.
Hawks: Lived in Toorak, took out way too many loans from all above, partially at fault for Norths situation, Snake oil salesmen running away.
Saints: Every local needs a seedy side to it, social workers and garbos for the region as much as red light runners.
Dogs: GTFO, decided to fight amongst themselves, got a concussion, decided to just start an underground fight club awaiting the raid.

And on the outlier are the Cats, the people who looked at the above groups and went "I identify with a potato" and buggered off, then realised that they left comfort, decided to throw a bone, erected a wall and then improved that wall to keep people out. AKA, the good Berlin.

Victorian clubs in a nutshell.

Why do you think Bombers went to Tulla which has an international airport with a place to eat ice cream drink coffee and gawk at plane departures? Quite literal since Carlton are in Carlton yeah.... "I know, let's go closer to planes since Essendon is moving away from them..."
 

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