List Mgmt. 2022 List Management: Draft, Trade and FA Pt2: Electric Boogaloo

[pK75]

Treacy can pinch hit in the ruck. But will have to add muscle instead of trying
to be too lean.

He could but is currently 1st in line for the inevitable Tabs injury. Prefer he works on his forward game and is available to pinch hit in the ruck if Darcy or Jackson get injured.

 

[more_of_bito]

What makes you think a WAFL coach knows any more than anyone else?

He can give his opinion, but I suspect he has never been invited to consider Lobb's role in his Peel side

He has access to confidential information about the footy club and specific conversations on players and game plan. If he’s giving a summary of trade discussion and movements then should be fired.
Btw I don’t believe this occurred. If it did I’m sure Peter Bell would be interested in hearing the explanation.

 

[mightymouse75]

Why is everyone claiming a round 2 is acceptable..north are paying the boy a lot of money.. they obviously think he is worth more than a round 2 .

 

[more_of_bito]

Why is everyone claiming a round 2 is acceptable..north are paying the boy a lot of money.. they obviously think he is worth more than a round 2 .

If Freo were on the other end of this trade there is zero chance we would offer 19. North are going to get away like bandits.

 

[Superkoops]

Logue was a top 10 pick with years of development in him . Sorry but I can't agree , They are horrible outcomes.
Logue choosing the Kangaroos is a disaster.
All well and good him saying he wants the best for the club but when the crunch comes him saying Sorry but I did my best will be cold comfort to Freo.

I don’t reckon it is that bad.

1. Kangaroos are also after contracted Tucker. Likely we deal them both together.
2. Priority pick(s) to be issued to Kangaroos
3. Logue wants the best for Freo
4. If no trade is done and pt 3 is actually correct then there is about 3-4 weeks we have to try and change his mind and contract offer.

Pick 19 is close to fair for mine. Slightly under but he is out of contract. If they do get pick 11 as well then 19 is pushed back to 20 and I proposed 11, 20 > 14, Logue, Tucker (maybe they can have our F3 for their F4 just to tidy it up).

I’m unaware of Clarkson/Hawks era picking up free preseason pick players. Clarkson/Hawks targeted free agency and traded in players giving up quite a bit (Tom Mitchell, JOM etc.). This talk of him being a ruthless win at all talk is rubbish.

North just 11 months ago traded quite reasonable price for Callum Coleman Jones (pick upgrade and F2 - yes picks and Tarrant going the other way).

You need to forgot about the pick we selected him with. In your theory Schache should be traded for a 1st round pick. Logue has been a slow build and injury prone. Only just played 64 in 6 completed seasons (20 this year). Prior to this season an average of 8.8 games per season. He isn’t a first choice back man in our team. Is talented but still prone to brain fades and errors - especially letting his player sneak out the back in a marking contest. He has played forward to moderate success - helpful this year but was to keep him in the team. So he was selected with pick 8. A late first round pick is the best I can see us getting for him and isn’t the worst outcome by any stretch.

 

[Descent]

Come on ... he is going to North. Negotiations will be between Bell and his counterpart at North. Logue won't be involved and the North list manager will go to Logue at the end and say "this is the very best we can do under the circumstances, as we can't trade the #1 pick, blah, blah. What are your bank account details?". And Logue will go "yes".

Our best hope is the AFL give them a PP with the condition it is traded for mature talent, and the Roos don't have anybody else on their radar. If not, we might be able to get F2 at absolute best, but they ballsed that up once with their trade for CCJ and might be unwilling to do that again.

I’m talking about a PSD scenario. After all, he has to nominate for the PSD. He can’t be completely disinterested in the negotiations if it’s looking like there’s no chance of the two parties agreeing on a fair trade.

For the record, I think it’s almost certain that North will get a PP 19 and that will be the trade (I would be very surprised if the AFL don’t give very strong guidance on how they use their PP).

 

[CapitalA]

Does Logue have a choice in the matter, though?

Yeah it is his choice to walk to the draft, he can do that or re-sign with us, if a deal can't be done.

 

[CapitalA]

At 600+k for 5 yrs pick 19 should be the minimum, should really be a better pick for that contract. The problem is they have pick 1 and no one trades out pick 1.

 

[Alfonz]

I’m talking about a PSD scenario. After all, he has to nominate for the PSD. He can’t be completely disinterested in the negotiations if it’s looking like there’s no chance of the two parties agreeing on a fair trade.

For the record, I think it’s almost certain that North will get a PP 19 and that will be the trade (I would be very surprised if the AFL don’t give very strong guidance on how they use their PP).

Fair enough, but I don't think the PSD is much of a possibility. More that North will offer something in trade, but if it isn't what we want, then Logue isn't going to just back out.

 

[Taylor]

$3,500,000 over five years isn't quite enough to get band one compensation if he were a free agent, band one would be #14 for us this year, but he is two years younger and I think that's enough to make up for the shortfall in salary.

I think a pick around #10 to #15 is appropriate for Logue assuming he categorically takes the PSD off the table.

 

[blue shark]

Fair enough, but I don't think the PSD is much of a possibility. More that North will offer something in trade, but if it isn't what we want, then Logue isn't going to just back out.

If Logue went into the PSD, don’t the AFL compensate for our loss?

 

[Taylor]

If Logue went into the PSD, don’t the AFL compensate for our loss?

No. Nothing happens

 

[Kram]

How many times has a player actually gone into the psd instead of a deal being made.

 

[Descent]

$3,500,000 over five years isn't quite enough to get band one compensation if he were a free agent, band one would be #14 for us this year, but he is two years younger and I think that's enough to make up for the shortfall in salary.

I think a pick around #10 to #15 is appropriate for Logue assuming he categorically takes the PSD off the table.

There’s something very absurd about the AFL contract and free agency rules when losing a player to free agency brings a better return than losing them to a trade.

 

[Taylor]

How many times has a player actually gone into the psd instead of a deal being made.

Freo has done it with McPhee. Adelaide has done it with Hately

 

[Taylor]

There’s something very absurd about the AFL contract and free agency rules when losing a player to free agency brings a better return than losing them to a trade.

That swings both ways, if Carlton finish in the top eight next year and Harry McKay leaves as a free agent for a million bucks a year - they will get one single pick #15 for him. If he wasn't a free agent and wants to leave they probably get two top ten picks.

 

[King Huskii]

nobody seems to care about...Crowden...

Why would they

 

[sumavich]

Reckon Kangaroos getting a Priority Pick is a joke.
You get rewarded for mediocrity if you are a VFL club

 

[Taylor]

Reckon Kangaroos getting a Priority Pick is a joke.
You get rewarded for mediocrity if you are a VFL club

And when you find out that until this year, had played finals more recently than us...

 

[WaywardSonSon]

Reckon Kangaroos getting a Priority Pick is a joke.
You get rewarded for mediocrity if you are a VFL club

Exacly! They've won premierships previously - so f*ck 'em!

 

[Alfonz]

How many times has a player actually gone into the psd instead of a deal being made.

Very rarely. However, uncontracted players on big $$$ generally do not decide to go to the wooden spooners. The trades where the player should be worth a first rounder are generally involving the better sides who are poaching talent from the crap feeder teams. The PSD only comes into it for fringe players that nobody cares about. And to be honest, maybe Logue is that sort of fringe player (Hateley, Martin) that nobody except us wlll care about, and I doubt him going into the PSD (or us being forced to take unders) will generate much response from the Vic-biased media or AFL house.

 

[Kram]

Freo has done it with McPhee. Adelaide has done it with Hately

Ah how could I forget Adam McFree!

 

[WaywardSonSon]

I just don’t see who this player is tbh.

People have suggested hacks like Schache because they’re talls but I think the reality is they take us no closer next year and would get in the way of development for Amiss and Treacy.

People have suggested Georgiades and McDonald. I rate them both but think the chances of getting either this year is zero.

People have suggested Riccardi and others I don’t mind but it seems more like a random ideas thought up on BigFooty rather than what may actually happen. Corbett is the exception as it could happen but he’s going to have other interest.

Think we’re better off developing our own and setting money aside for future attempts to lure McDonald and Georgiades tbh.

Isn’t ideal short term but I’d rather do that than recruit sh** talls because they’re tall.

Yes, and you're no doubt correct in your assumption that there simply isn't such a player feasibly available to us at a respectable price. I just find it depressing that we could very well stagnate, or worse still, regress next year, because of our impotent forward line. Surely we could have kept Jesse Hogan?!
FMD

 

[Taylor]

It looks like Gold Coast are going to move on players this off season too. Opportunity awaits.

 

[maccamk]

$3,500,000 over five years isn't quite enough to get band one compensation if he were a free agent, band one would be #14 for us this year, but he is two years younger and I think that's enough to make up for the shortfall in salary.

I think a pick around #10 to #15 is appropriate for Logue assuming he categorically takes the PSD off the table.

Add Tucker into the mix and 10-15 is definitely right


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