List Mgmt. 2022 List Management: Draft, Trade and FA

[Taylor]

For everyone saying getting a Jackson or a Franklin or whoever is just going to delay the development of Treacy.

Well just remember currently Josh can't beat Bailey for a spot in the team. It's Banfields of the world that is "stopping" the "development" of Treacy.

Treacy is absolutely no guarantee to be a long term player. He still has a lot of work to do and it may take him years of WAFL to get him to where he needs to be.

Just like Tabs -- another rookie from up-country Victoria.

Taberner is the one keeping Treacy out of the side, not the medium forward.

 

[tonygeeks]

We’re getting Jackson as a mid/ruck, haven’t you heard?

Yeah , still don’t like the buddy / tabs mix but who knows

Sydney look better without him if you ask me


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[Johnny Dalmas]

Taberner is the one keeping Treacy out of the side, not the medium forward.

In today's footy Treacy's attributes have more in common with the medium forward role that Banfield plays than the KPF role Tabs plays

 

[Quokka]

All this trade talk, here and in the media, has seemed a little early... Then you realise that's just because our session isn't over yet.

 

[Taylor]

In today's footy Treacy's attributes have more in common with the medium forward role that Banfield plays than the KPF role Tabs plays

That's fine for you think that and I'm not trying to come across as passive aggressive even though I know I can be prone to that at times.

He is a key forward. That he can apply pressure is to his credit, but it's not where his value is. I'd actually prefer he chased less so he could lead more.

 

[wakojako]

That's fine for you think that and I'm not trying to come across as passive aggressive even though I know I can be prone to that at times.

He is a key forward. That he can apply pressure is to his credit, but it's not where his value is. I'd actually prefer he chased less so he could lead more.

No you are right. Cyclone is not a mid sized forward and will take the place of a KPF. So next season we would probably see:

Tabbs Jackson Cyclone

Dangerous territory.

 

[The Round House Drunk]

There is also a cost in having those 2 first round picks which is ignored in this article and generally in trade discussions. I think we are beginning to see it in contract squeezes for the likes of Logue. But we are also seeing it in reduced development opportunities for Erasmus and Johnson and co.

In recent seasons Logue would comfortably be accommodated in the salary cap. He'd be recognised as best 22 and be landing a 3-4 year deal on decent coin. Financially our cap would be funding the likes of Crowden and Duman as best 22 contenders. Now it has significantly better players trying to squeeze an opportunity and we are trying to find new roles for Fyfe and Logue. Meek is on the outer but is considered ready to lead an on-ball group.

Next season we must find games for Amiss, Treacy, Erasmus, O'Driscoll and Johnson. And we also must find salary room to retain them, possibly outside our best 22.

Bringing in more first round picks also comes with a cost, and the discussion around Jackson costing a couple of first rounders is part of the same ledger. They are not separate equations. They intersect and overlap.

This raised some good points.

Regarding Jackson, I’m more concerned about the cost in terms of salary cap space rather than outgoing draft/trade capital.

Our list already has a healthy number of high picks in the 23 and under age bracket. If the likes of Ras, Johnson, Amiss and Henry come good as we all hope they will, it will create big pressure on the salary cap to retain them in the future, along with the likes of Brayshaw, Serong, Chapman and Young.

If Lobb plans to be elsewhere next season and Jackson has indicated to the club that he’d like to get to Freo, I wouldn’t be opposed to the Lobb pick + 2023 R1 pick being risked on the trade.

But not if Jackson takes Lobb’s salary and reduces our ability to retain those above and Logue etc into the future.

It depends on what’s driving things. Is it that Lobb is leaving, and Freo is chasing Jackson as a replacement? Or is it more a case that there’s an opportunity to sign a WA boy who wants home to Freo (somewhat independent of the Lobb situation)?

If the latter, would Jackson accept a salary closer to the $500k mark?

 

[Taylor]

Our list structure:
28.6% contracted to 2022
35.7% contracted to 2023
21.4% contracted to 2024
11.9% contracted to 2025
0% contracted to 2026
2.4% contracted to 2027

But if we look at that in regards to space to sign people:
100% contracted in 2022
71.4% contracted in 2023
35.7% contracted in 2024
14.3% contracted in 2025
2.4% contracted in 2026
2.4% contracted in 2027

 

[Arcassius]

Imagine how good it would be for Keuk, Treacy and Amiss to have 1 or 2 years learning off one of the greatest forwards ever. Would definitely help their development in untold ways.

Tabs + Buddy + Fyfe for 2 years then switched to AFL ready Keuk +Treacy + Amiss.

Bring him in as a forwards coach then alongside Graham. Problem solved

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[Deathly]

Can't remember where I read the Graham talk but there's no way he's going to GWS or North so we don't have to worry about that. North's football department will be getting a massive clean-out end of the year so they're not going to grab someone unproven temporarily to stabilize and VFL will be making sure Clarkson is at GWS.

 

[Ge3ks]

I'm not going to read the 129 previous pages, but I assume that somewhere in there it's been noted that Jackson's skillset is a better fit for West Coast than Fremantle.

Another reason for Freo to trade in Jackson. Cheers.

 

[Ge3ks]

Melbourne are going to need a ready to go replacement for Jackson, so I can see the trade being two 1st round picks* and Meek.

*Our '22 & '23 1sts.

Does that sound fair?

 

[s_wd6]

Can't remember where I read the Graham talk but there's no way he's going to GWS or North so we don't have to worry about that. North's football department will be getting a massive clean-out end of the year so they're not going to grab someone unproven temporarily to stabilize and VFL will be making sure Clarkson is at GWS.

Was approached by GWS earlier and declined. Apparently wants at least another year with freo for his development

 

[Retzlaff]

Was approached by GWS earlier and declined. Apparently wants at least another year with freo for his development

Two premierships will look good on the resume

 

[freo84]

Two premierships will look good on the resume

Three would look even better

 

[sherrif]

Taberner is the one keeping Treacy out of the side, not the medium forward.

If possible and if he wanted to go then I wonder if Melbourne would have interest in Taberner involving the trade for Jackson.

 

[Taylor]

If possible and if he wanted to go then I wonder if Melbourne would have interest in Taberner involving the trade for Jackson.

He would be a monster upgrade on Ben Brown.

If we lose Taberner and Lobb we have to get Franklin. We would need Treacy to nearly win a Coleman medal otherwise.

Amiss and Treacy are talented but I don't know if they are ready to be the forward and ruck forward in a team pushing for top four.

We would need mature bodies.

 

[Mr Cheese]

Ideally you hit a point where you legitimately have 28 players that can fill 22 spots to a high level.

As you experience a cap squeeze you trade out for value and replenish the cupboard either with whilst maintaining enough talent to be sustained contenders. Easy.

We're about 2 solid drafts off this happening. Over to you Wellsy...

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[Snuffaluphagus]

Ideally you hit a point where you legitimately have 28 players that can fill 22 spots to a high level.

As you experience a cap squeeze you trade out for value and replenish the cupboard either with whilst maintaining enough talent to be sustained contenders. Easy.

We're about 2 solid drafts off this happening. Over to you Wellsy...

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You dont think we have 28 players that can fill 22 spots already?

 

[Mr Cheese]

You dont think we have 28 players that can fill 22 spots already?

Not to B grade. Bloody close though.

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[theGav56]

We played a lot of guys who weren’t ready back then.

Yes we did. And it can be quite dangerous. It has worked for us but not think llGolf has put up a more balanced strategy.

I still see value in a handful of games in a players first year at the right time.

 

[theGav56]

You dont think we have 28 players that can fill 22 spots already?

I think we do.

Players development can be unpredictable (Valente a good example) and I haven't counted the numbers, but when we are struggling to name the end of year delisting the answer is pretty clear.

 

[Johnny Dalmas]

That's fine for you think that and I'm not trying to come across as passive aggressive even though I know I can be prone to that at times.

He is a key forward. That he can apply pressure is to his credit, but it's not where his value is. I'd actually prefer he chased less so he could lead more.

He is a lead up forward. Great for the kick on transition when there is time and space in the midfield.

But if we think he is going to consistently hold down the key forward post against gorilla full backs then I think we are going to be sorely disappointed.

He just isn't big enough to play that role long-term in the 2020s. He will get consistently outmarked under the long bomb to the hotspot. Although to be fair, even big KPFs will get consistently outmarked in that situation -- it's just a modern mid-sized 3rd/4th tall will get outmarked more often.

His best attribute as a forward -- like Griff Logue -- is his willingness to compete. Both will fight the good fight until the cavalry arrive. Which is exactly what you want in forwards who will have to deal with a 1+ most of the time.

(I don't think you are passive aggressive at all. You have interesting opinions and you share them-- the whole point of a discussion board.)

 

[Tobiko]

Melbourne are going to need a ready to go replacement for Jackson, so I can see the trade being two 1st round picks* and Meek.

*Our '22 & '23 1sts.

Does that sound fair?

NO...

 

[ubiquitous226]

It begins..
I'd be surprised if it's true about one year for Acres though, at the start of the year that was probably what it was looking like but I would have thought two years would be on the table by now.
List management wise that would seem to make sense, two years at average coin would let both sides see if Acres can sustain the performance and potentially earn a better deal, and if not see if O'Driscoll, Henry, Johnson and co. coming through might push him out.

Breakout Docker's management shopping around for a better contract

“I started to wonder, I’ve heard his name mentioned as being on the market.”

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