Weitering hasn't been anywhere near his best this year consistently, but will start to play better than his last 2 hitouts
Autopsy 2022 Rd 18 Blues overpowered by classy Cats
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Hmm I may have predicted this………..
Cats have far more bigger bodies. Not only that, their agility and speed makes them hard to match up on.
Quite simply they monstered us around the contest.
We need start getting some bigger bodies in our side, Pitt and Gov will be welcome inclusions.
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Quite simply they monstered us around the contest.
We need start getting some bigger bodies in our side, Pitt and Gov will be welcome inclusions.
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So turning 2 L’s into an easy W?
The way we played against the cats
That’s simply another L
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Pitto changes alot. Stanley really struggles v combative rucks. Tdk up forward..who in cats gets him? Then he's fresh when he goes into ruck..instead of trying 2 hold ground with sos u try and take it with tdk on a tired Stanley or their no 2.
Also then allows sos to stay forward all game and leave all his energies to what he does best.
With tdk forward H or charlie can roam upto the wings and find that space to ran and jump..impossible to stop..then when the go forward u still have the other there was tdk.
McGovern also changes things as we really are missing that interceptor. His kicking also a plus.
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There has been a habit over recent years for us to underestimate Geelong during home and away. They would get shown up in finals as pretenders, we've matched up pretty decently against them in previous years and they've been prone under Chris Scott to underestimation of bottom half sides. But that's the thing; we're not a bottom half side anymore.
We played as though we expected to get that version of the Cats, not the team we got. They're good to excellent, and they're in pretty stellar form. Their team's set and they're only really missing Stewart and they've had time to plan for his absence. Not many teams will run with two tags - on Walsh and Cripps - but it worked; not many sides have the right players to tag one, let alone both, let alone have the quality inside the team to justify playing with 16 onfield. That it worked isn't a tactical masterclass so much as it identifies a difference in caliber at present.
There's no shame in acknowledging a better side. We are this year only top 4 with 4 week's continuity into our best 22, and we have not gotten that continuity into our best 22 at any point.
Now comes the tricky part. We have 5 games remaining: GWS in Melbourne, Adelaide in Adelaide, Brisbane in Brisbane, Melbourne at the G, and Collingwood at the G.
We play Marvel better than we do the G, and we get the opportunity to remedy that over the final two rounds. Two wins - GWS and Adelaide - sees us winning with 13 games, which will only just be enough to scrape into the 8. We need to be looking at more than that if we're fair dinkum about finals, because while I can see our best beating the best we are not playing our best footy at all at the moment. We struggle at the G where we suffocate sides at Marvel.
Were I Voss, I'd be aiming at at least 4 wins, especially the last two. Melbourne Collingwood represent who we will have to overcome to win the flag if we are to win it. We need to find some cohesiveness in squad, and we absolutely need a number of players to find form.
We played as though we expected to get that version of the Cats, not the team we got. They're good to excellent, and they're in pretty stellar form. Their team's set and they're only really missing Stewart and they've had time to plan for his absence. Not many teams will run with two tags - on Walsh and Cripps - but it worked; not many sides have the right players to tag one, let alone both, let alone have the quality inside the team to justify playing with 16 onfield. That it worked isn't a tactical masterclass so much as it identifies a difference in caliber at present.
There's no shame in acknowledging a better side. We are this year only top 4 with 4 week's continuity into our best 22, and we have not gotten that continuity into our best 22 at any point.
Now comes the tricky part. We have 5 games remaining: GWS in Melbourne, Adelaide in Adelaide, Brisbane in Brisbane, Melbourne at the G, and Collingwood at the G.
We play Marvel better than we do the G, and we get the opportunity to remedy that over the final two rounds. Two wins - GWS and Adelaide - sees us winning with 13 games, which will only just be enough to scrape into the 8. We need to be looking at more than that if we're fair dinkum about finals, because while I can see our best beating the best we are not playing our best footy at all at the moment. We struggle at the G where we suffocate sides at Marvel.
Were I Voss, I'd be aiming at at least 4 wins, especially the last two. Melbourne Collingwood represent who we will have to overcome to win the flag if we are to win it. We need to find some cohesiveness in squad, and we absolutely need a number of players to find form.
24 intercept marks to 9 means they (a) stopped us easily and (b) got clean exits from D50 whereas we were more under pressure and exposed to repeat entries. I think the imminent returns of Pitto, Marchy and McGovern provide the opportunity to correct this.
Thought we had a few positives last night. Kennedy, Charlie, TDK, JSOS, Walsh played well unfortunately not many more.
People criticising our bottom 6 fair enough but realistically our middle 6 didn’t contribute enough either and probably less. Harry and Durdin couldn’t get into the game and had no impact.
People criticising our bottom 6 fair enough but realistically our middle 6 didn’t contribute enough either and probably less. Harry and Durdin couldn’t get into the game and had no impact.
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Geelong were very good - their ability to absorb, close down space and win the contested ball was great. We panicked under the pressure. Still some decent signs for us though, while also showing some of the same concerning traits when up against teams challenging us.
I feel like we gamble every week with our midfield. Sometimes it goes our way, sometimes it doesn't. Playing such similar types - Cerra, George, Cripps, MK - means we're big bodied but slow and one-dimensional. Really gets exposed at times. Crying out for Cunners to get fit, but until then, I'd like to see some experimentation by throwing Durds or Mots in there occasionally. When Z Williams is back, I think the time is right to give him another crack too. I didn't want to give up pick 6 for Cerra because I didn't think he fit our needs (being that similar build/athlete and not a contested ball beast). Early doors, but wish we'd seen who else we could have shaken loose who fit our needs better. Anyway, against the better sides, we seem too predictable.
It feels sometimes that our midfield are always the 'hunted' - same thing happened against Saints. It's almost like they wait for us to get first possession, then pounce and win the clearance on the turnover.
Harry was ordinary again against a competitive opponent on the big stage, beaten by a 21 year old, albeit a very good 21 year old. Big concern for mine. Either not strong enough or doesn't work hard enough/isn't ruthless enough. Still seems like the latter to me.
Young also stresses on the big stage. I hope that improves with experience.. It was a difficult night for contested marks but it does make life tough for us when neither Weiters or Young take a contested mark for the night.
Hayes had a lot of turnovers with his kicks, but first game against currently the most well-drilled and difficult team to play against so willing to forgive those. I liked what I saw around the ground (compared to LOB at least). One percenters, ran hard to the right places, knows how to find the footy, doesn't shirk the contest. Certainly hope we give him a run in the next couple of matches at least.
We look so slow on the G, but we should take a fair bit out of that game I reckon. I didn't expect to win and did feel that Cats could account for us easily. Would have liked to see more fight in our attitude though. The number of tackles we laid, where we allowed the player to release a handball was shocking.
We should be well prepped for finals type footy after that and with the Lions and Dees to come! I just hope we win the next couple to guarantee finals footy!!
I feel like we gamble every week with our midfield. Sometimes it goes our way, sometimes it doesn't. Playing such similar types - Cerra, George, Cripps, MK - means we're big bodied but slow and one-dimensional. Really gets exposed at times. Crying out for Cunners to get fit, but until then, I'd like to see some experimentation by throwing Durds or Mots in there occasionally. When Z Williams is back, I think the time is right to give him another crack too. I didn't want to give up pick 6 for Cerra because I didn't think he fit our needs (being that similar build/athlete and not a contested ball beast). Early doors, but wish we'd seen who else we could have shaken loose who fit our needs better. Anyway, against the better sides, we seem too predictable.
It feels sometimes that our midfield are always the 'hunted' - same thing happened against Saints. It's almost like they wait for us to get first possession, then pounce and win the clearance on the turnover.
Harry was ordinary again against a competitive opponent on the big stage, beaten by a 21 year old, albeit a very good 21 year old. Big concern for mine. Either not strong enough or doesn't work hard enough/isn't ruthless enough. Still seems like the latter to me.
Young also stresses on the big stage. I hope that improves with experience.. It was a difficult night for contested marks but it does make life tough for us when neither Weiters or Young take a contested mark for the night.
Hayes had a lot of turnovers with his kicks, but first game against currently the most well-drilled and difficult team to play against so willing to forgive those. I liked what I saw around the ground (compared to LOB at least). One percenters, ran hard to the right places, knows how to find the footy, doesn't shirk the contest. Certainly hope we give him a run in the next couple of matches at least.
We look so slow on the G, but we should take a fair bit out of that game I reckon. I didn't expect to win and did feel that Cats could account for us easily. Would have liked to see more fight in our attitude though. The number of tackles we laid, where we allowed the player to release a handball was shocking.
We should be well prepped for finals type footy after that and with the Lions and Dees to come! I just hope we win the next couple to guarantee finals footy!!
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Ironically enough, they might decide one solution is to bring a Sholl inWe fluffed our lines once again on the big stage tonight- someone referenced David Parkin and our 1993 Grand final side - once Voss sorts through the Powell’s, Athorn’s, Sholl’s etc out we’ll be on our way.
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Average is a word I find most interesting
In context when people say average I believe they mean poor but have to say average to get the point across
Where as if our bottom we’re indeed afl average we’d unstoppable potentially
Yea I covered all bases woohoo
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Pretty sure Kade barely got on the ground in his first three games. It was a different time. Hayes played 80 odd percent game time.
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A frustrating performance but not one to lose our heads over.
Geelong are older, more mature, more match hardened, and frankly a better team. They may very well be the premiers of 2022.
Skills and decision making under pressure were left wanting, but we’ll learn and improve from it.
On to next week: the response.
Geelong are older, more mature, more match hardened, and frankly a better team. They may very well be the premiers of 2022.
Skills and decision making under pressure were left wanting, but we’ll learn and improve from it.
On to next week: the response.
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Slept on that loss, and after reading most opinions in this thread feel a bit better this morning. We got through relatively unscathed, which is rare. Should win the next two, hopefully sides above us stumble. Then maybe pinch another couple, Hell, why not, others have. As top 4 may be out of the question, would we have a home final finishing 5th?
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Just a random observation - too many are treating Crows in Adelaide as a certain “win”. News flash re their home form - they nearly beat the Pies there last night, lost by a point to Freo and beat the Tigers. Our average losing margin at the new Adelaide oval is about a million points , be it Crows or Port.
It will be a tough tough game, I’m almost more confident of beating Dees at G or Lions at home than beating them over there.
It will be a tough tough game, I’m almost more confident of beating Dees at G or Lions at home than beating them over there.
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100%. We've also gotta realise he's played on 2 of the greatest forwards of the modern era in consecutive weeks after a significant injury lay-off.
Very true. Should be another cull at end of year. Unfulfilled and particularly injury prone talent first. Its ironic you mentioned Scholl, whilst we are into his kid!We fluffed our lines once again on the big stage tonight- someone referenced David Parkin and our 1993 Grand final side - once Voss sorts through the Powell’s, Athorn’s, Sholl’s etc out we’ll be on our way.
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No surprise really at the result, but thought we might have it in us to get a bit closer.
No surprise that McKay didn't get amongst it seeing as the game was played mostly outside of our forward arc and we cocked up a lot of entries. Clearly told to push up the ground but would have liked to see Curnow come up the ground in his place bit too.
Blicavs would have taken Cripps to the cleaners even if he dragged him forward.
No surprise that McKay didn't get amongst it seeing as the game was played mostly outside of our forward arc and we cocked up a lot of entries. Clearly told to push up the ground but would have liked to see Curnow come up the ground in his place bit too.
Blicavs would have taken Cripps to the cleaners even if he dragged him forward.
Our half forward line got smashed, McKay and Durdin were like witches hats.
Geelong got 3 of their goals from half back flankers Holmes and Z Guthrie.
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Geelong got 3 of their goals from half back flankers Holmes and Z Guthrie.
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Has credits in the bank after a surprisingly good season but how bad was Newman? 
Some of those kicks were truly mind-boggling.
Hayes approaching Greg Bentley-esque levels of Carlton debuts, feel for him.
Anyway, bloody frustrating watch but here's hoping we can respond next week. It will actually be an interesting couple of weeks, I feel like the likely inclusion of Pittonet and McGovern may actually destablise things a touch, with both likely still underdone and missing so much footy. The team will be much better off in the long run though so it's absolutely critical that we can chalk up two wins whilst they're finding their feet, particularly with the mids having to readjust to having Pitto in there.
Some of those kicks were truly mind-boggling.
Hayes approaching Greg Bentley-esque levels of Carlton debuts, feel for him.
Anyway, bloody frustrating watch but here's hoping we can respond next week. It will actually be an interesting couple of weeks, I feel like the likely inclusion of Pittonet and McGovern may actually destablise things a touch, with both likely still underdone and missing so much footy. The team will be much better off in the long run though so it's absolutely critical that we can chalk up two wins whilst they're finding their feet, particularly with the mids having to readjust to having Pitto in there.
We have one of those playing VFL every week.
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Yes worse 40 disposal game I ever saw .
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