List Mgmt. 2023 Draft/Trade/FA thread

[Scythe94]

Seems a good time to pin this:


OOC players:

• Michael Hibberd (retired)
• Deakyn Smith (delisted)
• Andy Moniz-Wakefield
• Jake Melksham (delisted, will be re-drafted as a rookie)
• Luke Dunstan (retired)
• James Jordon (signed with Sydney as a Free Agent)
• Kye Turner (delisted)

Traded out:

• James Harmes (Bulldogs)
• Brodie Grundy (Sydney)

Traded in:

• Tom Fullarton (Brisbane)
• Jack Billings (St Kilda)
• Shane McAdam (Adelaide)

Drafted:

• Caleb Windsor (Pick 7)
• Koltyn Tholstrup (Pick 13)
• Kynan Brown (Rookie)

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Is Paul Roos the worst coach the Melbourne Football Club have ever had?

Discuss...

Teaching players how to win is overrated, if we held Neeld a couple of season more JT would have had even better draft picks to work with. Mark Neeld would clearly be or current 3 time premiership coach right now.

 

[Bluelegs]

Discussion closed.

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Neeld made us so shit the AFL had to intervene to send PJ to clean out the club. 4D chess if ever you saw it.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Couldn't have been that keen since we bid on Mills.

That was a troll to the Swans, gamesmanship, making them take Mills earlier than they would have liked to, similar to what the Swans did to GWS last year.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Neeld made us so s**t the AFL had to intervene to send PJ to clean out the club. 4D chess if ever you saw it.

He saved the club.

I think SugarHealey made that argument once.

 

[Lord Nev]

Salem meh
JKH failure

Brayshaw meh
Stretch failure

Weid failure
King failure
Hewlett failure

Hannah meh

Baker failure
Spargo meh

Jordan failure

Laurie meh
Rosman failure

Howes looking meh


So acting like it's guaranteed success with every pick from him ain't true.

What a silly post. You need to compare not only the general strike rate of drafting which provides no guarantees, but also the pick where they were taken, so let's look at some of note...

Salem - Pick 9 Solid
JKH - Pick 40 Breakeven
Hunt - Pick 57 Amazing for the pick
Harmes - Rookie Pick 2 Amazing for the pick

Trac - Pick 2 Nailed it
Gus - Pick 3 Solid
ANB - Pick 40 Amazing for the pick
Stretch - Pick 42 Breakeven
OMac - Pick 53 Breakeven

Oliver - Pick 4 Ahead of the pack
Weid - Pick 9 Fail
Joel Smith - Rookie Pick 41 Amazing for the pick

Hannan - Pick 46 Breakeven

Spargo - Pick 29 Bordering on fail
Fritsch - Pick 31 Amazing for the pick
Petty - Pick 37 Amazing for the pick
Baker - Pick 48 Solid given the range

Sparrow - Pick 27 Solid
Jordon - Pick 33 Fail
Bedford - Pick 75 Amazing for the pick
Chandler - Rookie Pick 15 Amazing for the pick

Jackson - Pick 3 Ahead of the pack
Pickett - Pick 12 Solid given the range
Rivers - Pick 32 Amazing for the pick

Not much point going later than that as it's a bit too early to judge in most cases, and judging anyone picked past 40 as a failure is just absurd given the average strike rate for picks that late.

As if you look over that record and judge it harshly.

 

[Bluelegs]

He saved the club.

I think SugarHealey made that argument once.

Reminds me of Dr. Whoooooooo's staunch defences of Cameron Schwab.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Reminds me of Dr. Whoooooooo's staunch defences of Cameron Schwab.

Was a fan of Barry Prendergast also.

 

[booshboy]

What a silly post. You need to compare not only the general strike rate of drafting which provides no guarantees, but also the pick where they were taken, so let's look at some of note...

Salem - Pick 9 Solid
JKH - Pick 40 Breakeven
Hunt - Pick 57 Amazing for the pick
Harmes - Rookie Pick 2 Amazing for the pick

Trac - Pick 2 Nailed it
Gus - Pick 3 Solid
ANB - Pick 40 Amazing for the pick
Stretch - Pick 42 Breakeven
OMac - Pick 53 Breakeven

Oliver - Pick 4 Ahead of the pack
Weid - Pick 9 Fail
Joel Smith - Rookie Pick 41 Amazing for the pick

Hannan - Pick 46 Breakeven

Spargo - Pick 29 Bordering on fail
Fritsch - Pick 31 Amazing for the pick
Petty - Pick 37 Amazing for the pick
Baker - Pick 48 Solid given the range

Sparrow - Pick 27 Solid
Jordon - Pick 33 Fail
Bedford - Pick 75 Amazing for the pick
Chandler - Rookie Pick 15 Amazing for the pick

Jackson - Pick 3 Ahead of the pack
Pickett - Pick 12 Solid given the range
Rivers - Pick 32 Amazing for the pick

Not much point going later than that as it's a bit too early to judge in most cases, and judging anyone picked past 40 as a failure is just absurd given the average strike rate for picks that late.

As if you look over that record and judge it harshly.

Spargos a premiership player how is he bordering on failure at pick 29?

 

[stEdy]

Roos said we were going to use the pick on Billings, not Kelly, if we kept the pick.

Billings sucks.

EDIT: Heres the link Paul Roos reveals new spin on 2013’s blockbuster trade between Melbourne and GWS Giants - sad talking about Billings breaking out in 2017. He's barely fired a shot since then and that's 6 years ago now.

 

[dazzledavey36]

Want to get even more pissed off?

Roos also said at one point that if he had to pick between them he would have taken Gus over Petracca

Paul Roos Reranks The 2014 AFL Draft

Big claims from the Zen Master

www.triplem.com.au

Also Toby Greene was originally part of the Kelly/Tyson/Salem trade but we knocked it back.

Former Melbourne coach Paul Roos says GWS was “handing Toby Greene out” in trade deals

How Greene was nearly a Dee ‘for a bag of chips’

www.foxsports.com.au

Jesus I wasn't even aware about the whole Toby Greene thing...

Imagine Toby with us..

 

[Alpine Lodger]

What a silly post. You need to compare not only the general strike rate of drafting which provides no guarantees, but also the pick where they were taken, so let's look at some of note...

Salem - Pick 9 Solid
JKH - Pick 40 Breakeven
Hunt - Pick 57 Amazing for the pick
Harmes - Rookie Pick 2 Amazing for the pick

Trac - Pick 2 Nailed it
Gus - Pick 3 Solid
ANB - Pick 40 Amazing for the pick
Stretch - Pick 42 Breakeven
OMac - Pick 53 Breakeven

Oliver - Pick 4 Ahead of the pack
Weid - Pick 9 Fail
Joel Smith - Rookie Pick 41 Amazing for the pick

Hannan - Pick 46 Breakeven

Spargo - Pick 29 Bordering on fail
Fritsch - Pick 31 Amazing for the pick
Petty - Pick 37 Amazing for the pick
Baker - Pick 48 Solid given the range

Sparrow - Pick 27 Solid
Jordon - Pick 33 Fail
Bedford - Pick 75 Amazing for the pick
Chandler - Rookie Pick 15 Amazing for the pick

Jackson - Pick 3 Ahead of the pack
Pickett - Pick 12 Solid given the range
Rivers - Pick 32 Amazing for the pick

Not much point going later than that as it's a bit too early to judge in most cases, and judging anyone picked past 40 as a failure is just absurd given the average strike rate for picks that late.

As if you look over that record and judge it harshly.

Agree with this post mostly. But dont ever put Luke Jackson in the same category as Clayton Oliver. Thanks.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Roos said we were going to use the pick on Billings, not Kelly, if we kept the pick.

Billings sucks.

EDIT: Heres the link Paul Roos reveals new spin on 2013’s blockbuster trade between Melbourne and GWS Giants - sad talking about Billings breaking out in 2017. He's barely fired a shot since then and that's 6 years ago now.

Billings over Kelly and Bont. Another cross for JT.

Think its time we asked the question, should we sack him?

 

[Lord Nev]

Spargos a premiership player how is he bordering on failure at pick 29?

Just given where his career currently stands I think the jury is out at the moment IMO.

 

[BaliDemon]

Jesus I wasn't even aware about the whole Toby Greene thing...

Imagine Toby with us..

I won’t even read that article and refuse to contemplate it. Too upsetting. Prefer the bliss of the denial.

 

[DemonZombie_001]

I won’t even read that article and refuse to contemplate it. Too upsetting. Prefer the bliss of the denial.

I think Toby is an amazing player but...

Toby was also being a flog off field and got into trouble (assault) and had suspension issues etc. Which is the reason why he was being possibly offered for a bag of chips.

Fantastic talent but clubs are not going risk bringing someone in like that and upset the apple cart.

 

[BaliDemon]

I think Toby is an amazing player but...

Toby was also being a flog off field and got into trouble (assault) and had suspension issues etc. Which is the reason why he was being possibly offered for a bag of chips.

Fantastic talent but clubs are not going risk bringing someone in like that and upset the apple cart.

Hindsight says they probably should risk it. He’s become the best footballer in the country.

 

[stEdy]

Billings over Kelly and Bont. Another cross for JT.

Think its time we asked the question, should we sack him?

Yes

 

[BaliDemon]

How space cadet is this Harley Reid to Hawthorn trade suggestion from Jay Clark?

Pick 1 for pick 3, Grainger-Barrass & Tyler Brockman

Grainger-Barrass who can’t crack it for a game in 16th placed Hawthorn’s backline plus some fringe 22 former pick 46 kid from Perth.

Does he barrack for the Hawks or something? Cray-cray.

Jay Clark Explains How Hawthorn Could Trade Up To Pick One

Jay Clark has explained the package Hawthorn could put together to tempt West Coast into a trade for their coveted pick one.

articles.listnr.com

 

[dazzledavey36]

Wouldn't be surprised if it comes out that we have maybe some level of interest in Tim English.

 

[Scythe94]

How space cadet is this Harley Reid to Hawthorn trade suggestion from Jay Clark?

Pick 1 for pick 3, Grainger-Barrass & Tyler Brockman

Grainger-Barrass who can’t crack it for a game in 16th placed Hawthorn’s backline plus some fringe 22 former pick 46 kid from Perth.

Does he barrack for the Hawks or something? Cray-cray.

Jay Clark Explains How Hawthorn Could Trade Up To Pick One

Jay Clark has explained the package Hawthorn could put together to tempt West Coast into a trade for their coveted pick one.

articles.listnr.com

Isn't Brockman leaving to go home to Perth as he has a kid and wants to be around family? Lol

 

[Scythe94]

Wouldn't be surprised if it comes out that we have maybe some level of interest in Tim English.

So our new recruitment strategy is to take the second best ruckman each year and send them to Casey so that Gawn can get in as many AAs as possible before he retires ️

 

[schmuttt]

Wouldn't be surprised if it comes out that we have maybe some level of interest in Tim English.

 

[BaliDemon]

Isn't Brockman leaving to go home to Perth as he has a kid and wants to be around family? Lol

I’d honestly never heard of him until I read the article.

 

[Bluelegs]

So our new recruitment strategy is to take the second best ruckman each year and send them to Casey so that Gawn can get in as many AAs as possible before he retires ️

Tim English to come to a club that REALLY values him.

 

[Scythe94]

Tim English to come to a club that REALLY values him.

They won't be laughing when we recruit every single ruck in the league and there's none left for anyone else