List Mgmt. 2023 Draft/Trade/FA thread

[Scythe94]

Seems a good time to pin this:


OOC players:

• Michael Hibberd (retired)
• Deakyn Smith (delisted)
• Andy Moniz-Wakefield
• Jake Melksham (delisted, will be re-drafted as a rookie)
• Luke Dunstan (retired)
• James Jordon (signed with Sydney as a Free Agent)
• Kye Turner (delisted)

Traded out:

• James Harmes (Bulldogs)
• Brodie Grundy (Sydney)

Traded in:

• Tom Fullarton (Brisbane)
• Jack Billings (St Kilda)
• Shane McAdam (Adelaide)

Drafted:

• Caleb Windsor (Pick 7)
• Koltyn Tholstrup (Pick 13)
• Kynan Brown (Rookie)

 

[schmuttt]

If Tmac is the depth we should just play shorter. No point in playing a bloke that far over the hill because he's over 190cm. We might as well be playing 1 down when he's out there against anyone but a bottom 2 side.

Also hurts Jefferson’s development. I get we probably don’t want to pay him out especially if we are already doing it to brown, but I wouldn’t accept ‘we need the depth’ as a legitimate reason.

 

[Capt_Concussion]

Yep. Playing someone just based on their height is completely stupid if they add nothing. Pickett out of the goal square was 50x more effective than Tmac

You're not wrong.

Tmac has played one good game since his back injury in mid 2021. And that one good game was against a third string Eagles side.

His last good season was 2018. He lost his leap after his foot injury.

Basically he's conned the club out of five years of pay.

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[dazzledavey36]

Let's be honest, we all know McDonald is beyond cooked and we all want him to retire but realistically that's not going to happen unfortunately.

Being a long time servant of the club the club will want to be seen doing the right thing by McDonald.

He'll stay imo.

 

[Lord Nev]

If Tmac is the depth we should just play shorter. No point in playing a bloke that far over the hill because he's over 190cm. We might as well be playing 1 down when he's out there against anyone but a bottom 2 side.

I don't think he'll play many, if any, games, but we need to be realistic about how much we can do in one offseason and how much we can afford to lump on a young JVR and an injury prone Petty. TMac will be in his last year and is there as injury cover for forwards and rucks, an area we're pretty thin in.

This time of year so many seem to forget we have 44ish on our list and you need depth. People banging on about players not being best 22 so they should be cut is pretty silly, it's just not reality.

TLDR - I hope neither Schache or TMac play any games, but they're both needed given where our list sits in terms of mature talls depth and given both Grundy and Brown are likely gone and we're not linked to any talls as yet.

 

[Bluelegs]

I don't think he'll play many, if any, games, but we need to be realistic about how much we can do in one offseason and how much we can afford to lump on a young JVR and an injury prone Petty. TMac will be in his last year and is there as injury cover for forwards and rucks, an area we're pretty thin in.

This time of year so many seem to forget we have 44ish on our list and you need depth. People banging on about players not being best 22 so they should be cut is pretty silly, it's just not reality.

TLDR - I hope neither Schache or TMac play any games, but they're both needed given where our list sits in terms of mature talls depth and given both Grundy and Brown are likely gone and we're not linked to any talls as yet.

Never saw us paying out Tmac tbh. The way I see it if we're down to Tmac and Schache in terms of depth we're not going to be contending anyway. I'd much rather just adjust structurally if our stocks get that low.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

If you need TMac as a backup for your game plan your game plan is shit.

Would much rather **** him off and give his list spot to some kid with long term potential who won't play this year on **** all pay.

 

[Mich0]

Can’t believe I am going to say this but I wouldn’t mind just giving Tmac a forward coaching role instead. His a good communicator, can take a decent set-shot and anyone would be better than Stafford. That way he won’t stunt development off Jefferson (and O’Sullivan or Caddy) and we may be able to free up a list spot while using soft cap on him instead.

Probably terms he would accept as well as he would still earn some cash and get exposure to world of coaching in parallel. If he is shit as a forward coach we can piss him off in a year as well.

Bit of a win-win

 

[Lord Nev]

Never saw us paying out Tmac tbh. The way I see it if we're down to Tmac and Schache in terms of depth we're not going to be contending anyway. I'd much rather just adjust structurally if our stocks get that low.

I don't disagree, but just looking at how thin our mature tall stocks are they're necessary evils. With Grundy and Brown gone, if either or both of Gawn or Petty get injured, which happened this year, then we're in trouble trying to cover that. I mean, even this year in finals we had literally no ruck contest a bunch of stoppages.

I hope neither need to play, but no team goes through the year with the same 23.

 

[Bluelegs]

I don't disagree, but just looking at how thin our mature tall stocks are they're necessary evils. With Grundy and Brown gone, if either or both of Gawn or Petty get injured, which happened this year, then we're in trouble trying to cover that. I mean, even this year in finals we had literally no ruck contest a bunch of stoppages.

I hope neither need to play, but no team goes through the year with the same 23.

We're kind of circling back to the original problem of having so little in the way of decent tall forwards that Tmac can find his way into the team so easily. If we can't find another tall forward who is at the very least a better option than McDonald this trade period then we're absolutely stuffed.

 

[Mich0]

We're kind of circling back to the original problem of having so little in the way of decent tall forwards that Tmac can find his way into the team so easily. If we can't find another tall forward who is at the very least a better option than McDonald this trade period then we're absolutely stuffed.

Begs belief we are not into Chol

 

[Lord Nev]

We're kind of circling back to the original problem of having so little in the way of decent tall forwards that Tmac can find his way into the team so easily. If we can't find another tall forward who is at the very least a better option than McDonald this trade period then we're absolutely stuffed.

100%. I'm baffled by us not being linked to any mature talls this trade period yet. I'm not sure I would say stuffed, but we'd need A LOT of luck with injury next year if we don't improve that area of our list.

 

[LarryDavidNeitz]

I don't disagree, but just looking at how thin our mature tall stocks are they're necessary evils. With Grundy and Brown gone, if either or both of Gawn or Petty get injured, which happened this year, then we're in trouble trying to cover that. I mean, even this year in finals we had literally no ruck contest a bunch of stoppages.

I hope neither need to play, but no team goes through the year with the same 23.

I don't think anybody is suggesting we don't need depth players or that we should plan to play the same 23 all year.

Tmac and Schache are fake depth though. One didn't get a kick for 2 finals and the other is so poor in the contest we didn't want to give him 10 minutes to sub on for the guy who didn't get a kick for 2 finals.

As you said there's 20-21 other list spots outside of the best 23. If we can't find multiple players tall and small who can provide better injury cover than Tmac and Schache then it's an indictment on our list management team.

 

[pjfairbairn]

Begs belief we are not into Chol

He's a bandaid solution at best. Couldn't get a game at Gold Coast, unwanted at Richmond. If we're looking at a short-term answer from Gold Coast, much rather Burgess.

While Burgess has featured on just three occasions across the past pair of AFL seasons, the 27-year-old has proven deadly at VFL level, slotting 114 goals from 37 starts and claiming a pair of Frosty Miller Medals, awarded to the league's leading goalscorer each year.

Though Burgess has been converting at better than 70.4 per cent before goal since March of last year, the South Australian native will fall further down the pecking order at Carrara next year.

 

[Bluelegs]

He's a bandaid solution at best. Couldn't get a game at Gold Coast, unwanted at Richmond. If we're looking at a short-term answer from Gold Coast, much rather Burgess.

While Burgess has featured on just three occasions across the past pair of AFL seasons, the 27-year-old has proven deadly at VFL level, slotting 114 goals from 37 starts and claiming a pair of Frosty Miller Medals, awarded to the league's leading goalscorer each year.

Though Burgess has been converting at better than 70.4 per cent before goal since March of last year, the South Australian native will fall further down the pecking order at Carrara next year.

Best case scenario with Chol is he becomes the perfect third tall/ruck relief for Gawn. Worst case scenario he becomes a better depth option than any of our other guys.

 

[Lord Nev]

I don't think anybody is suggesting we don't need depth players or that we should plan to play the same 23 all year.

Tmac and Schache are fake depth though. One didn't get a kick for 2 finals and the other is so poor in the contest we didn't want to give him 10 minutes to sub on for the guy who didn't get a kick for 2 finals.

As you said there's 20-21 other list spots outside of the best 23. If we can't find multiple players tall and small who can provide better injury cover than Tmac and Schache then it's an indictment on our list management team.

From what I understand the focus this offseason is more on quality than quantity - Would be the reason we tried to keep Jordon, trying to keep Tommo, re-signed Schache etc. I can't see us getting multiple mature talls this year, but I'd be very very disappointed if we didn't get 1 who would be around our best 23.

McAdam, a quality key tall, maybe another depth free agent/DFA etc, then 3-4 top 30 draft picks and we're in a better place next year. Don't need to go crazy, just need to focus on the problem area and add some top end talent to go with our core young group of decent players.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

He's a bandaid solution at best. Couldn't get a game at Gold Coast, unwanted at Richmond. If we're looking at a short-term answer from Gold Coast, much rather Burgess

He left Richmond coz he was getting touched on the dick constantly by his teammates.

Was good two years ago with the Suns. Showed enough this year in games I saw to say he can absolutely contribute in our team. He might not have put up any great stats but if you watched the games he can still fly for the ball and contribute well in the ruck. I'd be wrapped if we got him.

 

[Lord Nev]

Also hurts Jefferson’s development. I get we probably don’t want to pay him out especially if we are already doing it to brown, but I wouldn’t accept ‘we need the depth’ as a legitimate reason.

No it doesn't. Having a mature bodied, AFL experienced, Premiership player along side him at Casey is great for his development. Far better than having Scache instruct him during games.

 

[Mich0]

From what I understand the focus this offseason is more on quality than quantity - Would be the reason we tried to keep Jordon, trying to keep Tommo, re-signed Schache etc. I can't see us getting multiple mature talls this year, but I'd be very very disappointed if we didn't get 1 who would be around our best 23.

McAdam, a quality key tall, maybe another depth free agent/DFA etc, then 3-4 top 30 draft picks and we're in a better place next year. Don't need to go crazy, just need to focus on the problem area and add some top end talent to go with our core young group of decent players.

Wouldn’t call 183cm McAdam who has never played a full season a “key tall”.

 

[Lord Nev]

Wouldn’t call 183cm McAdam who has never played a full season a “key tall”.

I didn't.

 

[ZionMig22]

Wouldn’t call 183cm McAdam who has never played a full season a “key tall”.

He is 186cm

 

[Demon 16]

I hope we go out and get the best remaining state league midfielder, KPP and ruck with 3 late picks/rookies.

I probably consider ‘depth’ more as having a strong reserves team for kids to be part of, rather than how many back up types we have.

 

[Demon 16]

Don't see Sanders happening. More likely North get a mid First round PP.

There is talk North could use P11 to trade up for GCs pick, if they’re given P11.

 

[mrmonkey]

If you need TMac as a backup for your game plan your game plan is s**t.

Would much rather * him off and give his list spot to some kid with long term potential who won't play this year on * all pay.

Yeah if we have to run McDonald to 'support' jvr then forget it. Would rather run a mosquito fleet like Carlton circa 2011 and play much more daring. Wouldn't matter if jvr has to take the best defender if there is space to work with. Moving it slowly with McDonald in support means jvr takes about 5 defenders because backline is already flooded because of slow ball movement

 

[Bluelegs]

Yeah if we have to run McDonald to 'support' jvr then forget it. Would rather run a mosquito fleet like Carlton circa 2011 and play much more daring. Wouldn't matter if jvr has to take the best defender if there is space to work with. Moving it slowly with McDonald in support means jvr takes about 5 defenders because backline is already flooded because of slow ball movement

That Carlton team from 2008 to 2011 were flaky as but a lot of fun. Betts, Yarran and Garlett were such an awesome combination to watch.

 

[mrmonkey]

That Carlton team from 2008 to 2011 were flaky as but a lot of fun. Betts, Yarran and Garlett were such an awesome combination to watch.

Yes I agree, but I think our backline is much stronger to implement that style. The coaches have to accept teams will score against us as well but our current system isn't working.