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wakojako said:
JUH said the following:
“I love the Dogs and they've obviously looked after me since I was 15,” Ugle-Hagan told Channel Seven.

“I've always wanted to give back to the club.

“We've got such a good opportunity to win a couple of flags together.

Doesn't make Liam look that great does it.
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That and Liam isn't that good and JUH is a gun. Worlds apart.
 

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32 goals in a season is bloody impressive for a third year KPF, especially a team that’d target Buddy Franklin 70-80% of the time up until now.

Don’t be blinded by what Amiss has done so far and dismiss what McDonald has done.

I said it a few pages back - McDonald is the most impressive U18 KPF I’ve seen come through the WAFL colts in over a decade. I would’ve had him ahead of Amiss at that stage - IMO whilst he’s not quite had the start Amiss has had he’s tracking very very well.

Agree it’d be an interesting case study what he’d cost - a top ten pick and another in the teens would be my guess. To me he’s the sort of player that you’d pay slightly more for but it’s the clubs job to get the best deal possible.
 
Dockeroo said:
I agree, but I think Curtins position is quite up for debate apparently he can play anywhere
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For all we know he is Pav mk 2, but given how uncertain that is and the only production he has is in positions that aren't priorities, there is no reasonable way you could justify giving up 3 first rounders (which is what I think it would cost) to get him.

You'd have to be 100% he was Pav2.
 
Docker82 said:
32 goals in a season is bloody impressive for a third year KPF, especially a team that’d target Buddy Franklin 70-80% of the time up until now.

Don’t be blinded by what Amiss has done so far and dismiss what McDonald has done.

I said it a few pages back - McDonald is the most impressive U18 KPF I’ve seen come through the WAFL colts in over a decade. I would’ve had him ahead of Amiss at that stage - IMO whilst he’s not quite had the start Amiss has had he’s tracking very very well.

Agree it’d be an interesting case study what he’d cost - a top ten pick and another in the teens would be my guess. To me he’s the sort of player that you’d pay slightly more for but it’s the clubs job to get the best deal possible.
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What specifically do you think in what he has shown that makes him the best (and better than Amiss)?
 
Docker82 said:
32 goals in a season is bloody impressive for a third year KPF, especially a team that’d target Buddy Franklin 70-80% of the time up until now.

Don’t be blinded by what Amiss has done so far and dismiss what McDonald has done.

I said it a few pages back - McDonald is the most impressive U18 KPF I’ve seen come through the WAFL colts in over a decade. I would’ve had him ahead of Amiss at that stage - IMO whilst he’s not quite had the start Amiss has had he’s tracking very very well.

Agree it’d be an interesting case study what he’d cost - a top ten pick and another in the teens would be my guess. To me he’s the sort of player that you’d pay slightly more for but it’s the clubs job to get the best deal possible.
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I am one of the people who doesn't / didn't want him. However you do hit upon some good points. His second year was bad, it is however debatable if that was more because of Buddy's resurgence in that year. McDonald was quite rightly dropped for the Grand Final in his second season as he had a poor season.

I was pleasantly surprised by how he bounced back in his third season, again with Buddy declining and missing games so maybe it is no coincidence. With bias aside, he, JUH and Jye all had comparable seasons. Jye had them covered scoring wise but both McDonald and JUH were slightly better on average marks and possessions.

At the moment this early in their careers, 12 months seems such a distinct difference but really if they all had the same output as each other in 3 more years then no one is talking about the 12 month age gap.
 
Docker82 said:
32 goals in a season is bloody impressive for a third year KPF, especially a team that’d target Buddy Franklin 70-80% of the time up until now.

Don’t be blinded by what Amiss has done so far and dismiss what McDonald has done.

I said it a few pages back - McDonald is the most impressive U18 KPF I’ve seen come through the WAFL colts in over a decade. I would’ve had him ahead of Amiss at that stage - IMO whilst he’s not quite had the start Amiss has had he’s tracking very very well.

Agree it’d be an interesting case study what he’d cost - a top ten pick and another in the teens would be my guess. To me he’s the sort of player that you’d pay slightly more for but it’s the clubs job to get the best deal possible.
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i feel like that just shows how much talent amiss has and how much growth is still to come in his game now he doesnt have to trek it from douth every few days.
 
Joao said:
For all we know he is Pav mk 2, but given how uncertain that is and the only production he has is in positions that aren't priorities, there is no reasonable way you could justify giving up 3 first rounders (which is what I think it would cost) to get him.

You'd have to be 100% he was Pav2.
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Agreed but Who Dares Wins.
 
Silencer83 said:
I am one of the people who doesn't / didn't want him. However you do hit upon some good points. His second year was bad, it is however debatable if that was more because of Buddy's resurgence in that year. McDonald was quite rightly dropped for the Grand Final in his second season as he had a poor season.

I was pleasantly surprised by how he bounced back in his third season, again with Buddy declining and missing games so maybe it is no coincidence. With bias aside, he, JUH and Jye all had comparable seasons. Jye had them covered scoring wise but both McDonald and JUH were slightly better on average marks and possessions.

At the moment this early in their careers, 12 months seems such a distinct difference but really if they all had the same output as each other in 3 more years then no one is talking about the 12 month age gap.
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Shin splints in preseason got him.
 

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Lach72 said:
How can that possibly be? He's a kid with potential. McDonald is a proven AFL footballer
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Lach72 said:
How can that possibly be? He's a kid with potential. McDonald is a proven AFL footballer
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McDonald hasn’t proven a lot IMO. Amiss is worlds ahead in comparison. McDonald is a modest upgrade on Treacy. Curtin looks pretty special size wise, but isn’t yet proven at afl.

If I had to choose only one, I’d take Curtin as he appears to be able to play anywhere and might be Bontempelli level at best. At worst might be Elliot Yeo.

McDonald on the other hand, I’m not convinced he’s going to be AA at any point in his career.
 
rgauci said:
McDonald hasn’t proven a lot IMO. Amiss is worlds ahead in comparison. McDonald is a modest upgrade on Treacy. Curtin looks pretty special size wise, but isn’t yet proven at afl.

If I had to choose only one, I’d take Curtin as he appears to be able to play anywhere and might be Bontempelli level at best. At worst might be Elliot Yeo.

McDonald on the other hand, I’m not convinced he’s going to be AA at any point in his career.
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Docker82 said:
32 goals in a season is bloody impressive for a third year KPF, especially a team that’d target Buddy Franklin 70-80% of the time up until now.

Don’t be blinded by what Amiss has done so far and dismiss what McDonald has done.

I said it a few pages back - McDonald is the most impressive U18 KPF I’ve seen come through the WAFL colts in over a decade. I would’ve had him ahead of Amiss at that stage - IMO whilst he’s not quite had the start Amiss has had he’s tracking very very well.

Agree it’d be an interesting case study what he’d cost - a top ten pick and another in the teens would be my guess. To me he’s the sort of player that you’d pay slightly more for but it’s the clubs job to get the best deal possible.
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Hmmm I don’t know.
You are very high on Mcdonald. I personally would have Amiss and JUH in an entirely different bracket to Mcdonald at this point.
When you watch amiss he’s just all class, every single time he gets the ball. A lot more agile than LMD.
At what point does how good a player looked at u18 level start to become less of a consideration than what he’s actually produced at AFL level?
Mcdonald will be close to 70 games by the end of next season. I think at that point, what he did in 2020 as an 18 year old in colts is just about irrelevant to his value.
When I watch JUH I see flashes of superstardom in him. Mcdonald has looked good at times but also more laboured.
Once could also argue that Naughton is targeted equally as much as Buddy is.
Here is a question - is Mcdonald a better talent than Jessie Hogan? I would say no way, definitely not. Disregarding the off field stuff. Same for Oscar Allen - well ahead of Logan at the same stage of his a career I reckon.
Let’s see what he can do in 2024 - we will have a decent idea by then what he’s really worth
 
Jye Amiss kicking 41 goals in his second year in an AFL environment is such an irregular occurrence that it will distort our expectations for key forwards.

Logan McDonald is tracking fine, his biggest flaw is the burst athleticism but he can cover bulk ground up the field.
 
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AFL Draft 2023: Experts reveal their final top 50 consensus rankings​

The AFL Draft is just days away and our experts have put their heads together to bring you their final top 50. See who makes the cut and have your say.

Chris Cavanagh, Jordan Pinto and Dan Batten

November 8, 2023 - 12:00PM
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The AFL Draft is days away and our draft experts have locked in their final rankings for the year.
There may only be just north of 50 selections taken in this month’s national draft, so we’ve extended our power rankings out to 50.
And there are plenty of differences of opinion — especially after the first dozen selections, where the draft pool is very even.
Our three draft watchers have put their heads to give you their consensus rankings as well as their own personal top 50.
Which prospects are splitting our experts, and who makes the cut?
See the full rankings and have your say.

FINAL TOP 50 DRAFT RANKINGS​


EXPERTS' TOP 50READERS'S TOP 50
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Readers's Top 50:3

Harley Reid​

Bendigo Pioneers/VIC, Midfielder/Forward, 187cm, 85kg​

Chris Cavanagh’s ranking – 1: The standout prospect in this year’s draft. Wherever he lands in the draft, I can’t wait to watch him go about his business at AFL level next year. The boy from Tongala is a freak. What more can you say?
Dan Batten’s ranking – 1: Reid made kids and grown men look silly over the past two years – and he has done it playing in just about every position, too. A generational talent with plenty of similarities to Dustin Martin — including his trademark fend-off — as a powerful midfielder/forward who provides maximum impact whenever he has the footy.
Jordan Pinto’s ranking – 1: Game-changer. Maybe even club-changer.

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Jed Walter​

Gold Coast Suns Academy/QLD, Forward, 194cm, 97kg​

CC – 2: Gives off genuine Charlie Curnow vibes as a marking key forward, but is also a great competitor with his defensive actions. He’ll team up nicely with Ben King in the Gold Coast forward line next year.
DB – 2: A key forward with the strength and overhead marking of Charlie Curnow who can chase and tackle like Charlie Cameron? Going to give defenders nightmares in the years to come and should have an instant impact for the Suns.
JP – 2: Defenders won’t be rushing to stand this guy once he finds his feet at AFL level. Attacks the body of the opposition just as ferociously as he attacks the ball in the air. There haven’t been too many key-forwards come through the draft like Walter in recent times.

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Readers's Top 50:38

Colby McKercher​

Tasmania Devils/TAS, Midfielder, 180cm, 76kg​

CC – 3: The best pure midfielder in this year’s draft pool. A left-footer who is quick, finds plenty of the footy, oozes class and was a consistent performer all year. Clubs are very excited about his future prospects.
DB – 3: If you haven’t seen his goal from the paint against Vic Country at the national championships, do yourself a favour. The smooth-mover has elite footskills, wins possessions in his sleep and has a burst of speed. Not much more you can ask for in a midfielder.
JP – 5: Speed. Class. Neat skills. Ball-winning. It all comes together in this midfield prospect, who breaks away from congestion like no other in the draft

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Readers's Top 50:41

Zane Duursma​

Gippsland Power/VIC, Midfielder/Forward, 189cm, 79kg​

CC – 4: As exciting a prospect as there is in this draft. Everything he touches across half-forward often turns to gold. The comparisons to Shaun ‘Silk’ Burgoyne show just how much class he has.
DB – 5: His four goals and six score assists against Vic Metro epitomised his game-breaking forward-half impact. Xavier Duursma’s brother plays more like Connor Rozee, but can he become a full-time midfielder in the future? If so, look out.
JP – 3: Could he become the best player in this year’s draft class? There’s strong competition at the top-end but his trajectory is as high as anyone’s. The smooth-mover is dynamic – and often unstoppable – in the forward-half but it’s his potential as a tall, goalkicking midfielder that has him ahead of a few others for me.

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Readers's Top 50:1

Daniel Curtin​

Claremont/WA, Defender/Midfielder, 197cm, 95kg​

CC – 5: There’s a feeling the West Australian could slide back a little in the draft order. But on talent, you can mount a case that he’s top-five. Will probably start his AFL career as a key defender, but could develop into a big-bodied midfielder in time.
DB – 4: Talk he could slide has me a bit confused. As a key defender, Curtin is as good as they come – he clunks intercept marks, spots up targets with his elite kicking and dodges would-be tacklers with ease with his silky sidestep. He has also shown he can turn games in the midfield or up forward. Curtin proved at WAFL level late in the year that his performances stack up against men, and I feel he could slot into just about any side next year.
JP – 4: How many 197cm guys can, firstly, anticipate, then take the ball on the ground and find space like he does? I’m not just talking about this draft class, either. I’d consider it draft robbery if he gets to the back end of the top-10.

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Readers's Top 50:45

Ethan Read​

Gold Coast Suns Academy/QLD, Ruck, 202cm, 92kg​

CC - 7: Some clubs have Read pegged as a top-five talent, which isn’t particularly surprising. There’s not many 202cm ruckman around who are as versatile and can run a 2km time trial in under six minutes.There’s not many 202cm ruckman around who are as versatile and can run a 2km time trial in under six minutes.
DB – 7: See a lot of similarities to Tim English – and he could get to his level sooner, given he ran a staggering 5:56min 2ker. The All-Australian ruckman’s numbers were almost as ridiculous, averaging 20-plus disposals at the national championships. His engine may allow him to play anywhere on the park, but I feel he is best placed as a mobile ruck who can act as a fourth midfielder at stoppages and around the ground.
JP – 6: Tim-English like ball-winning ability and running capacity has Read on the path to becoming something more than just a ruckman. Often puts up midfielder-like handball receive numbers, such is the trust his teammates have in him with the ball, and in his ability to run and create.

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Readers's Top 50:2

Nick Watson​

Eastern Ranges/VIC, Forward, 170cm, 68kg​

CC – 6: Don’t worry about his height. Watson has the skills, speed, agility and footy smarts to be a seriously good small forward at AFL level. Expect him to dazzle crowds with goals from all sorts of angles in the years to come.
DB – 6: Forget his height, Watson is a genuine matchwinner in the forward half with his freakish goal sense, speed and leap. Put his team on his back multiple times throughout the year with bags of goals. Feel he could also be thrown into defence like Harry Sheezel and Nick Daicos and play as a speedy half back in the mould of Jack Sinclair.
JP – 10: If he hasn’t already created separation using his brilliant footy IQ, he’s dancing around opposition defenders on his way to goal. Freakishly skillful and very good at what he does. I’m not worried about the height, but I haven’t yet put it out of my mind, either.

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Readers's Top 50:4

Ryley Sanders​

Sandringham Dragons/TAS, Midfielder, 186cm, 86kg​

CC – 8: Any club looking for a reliable onballer who not only racks up the footy but can also do some damage with it need look no further than Sanders. Had a super national championships campaign with the Allies on his way to winning the Larke Medal.
DB – 8: I feel the likes of Duursma and Watson are harder to find, but you can just about take 200+ games to the bank when you call out Sanders’ name. The Tasmanian is so clean and agile in congestion and he lifted his impact per possession this season on his way to winning the Larke Medal at the national champs.
JP – 7: Right place, right time - all the time. Sanders is tough, prolific, makes the right decisions – especially by hand – and produced one of the most dominant national carnivals in recent memory.

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Readers's Top 50:35

Nate Caddy​

Northern Knights/VIC, Forward, 193cm, 88kg​

CC – 11: Didn’t have as consistent a season as some of the other top-10 prospects, but still showed plenty of glimpses of what he can become. He’s a strong mark overhead, a booming kick can even have a stint through the midfield.
DB – 10: A dangerous threat in the air and at ground level up forward with his contested marking, power and agility. Ran the 2ker in 6:35, suggesting he has the potential to be used as a hulking midfielder in the future, where he dominated at stages for Northern Knights.
JP – 9: If we’re talking upside, you could mount the case for Caddy to be even higher than this. He has great hands above his head as a forward, but the way he uses those hands to find a teammate in the midfield, after assessing the options is equally as eye-catching, even if just in spurts

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Readers's Top 50:27

Connor O’ Sullivan​

Murray Bushrangers/NSW-ACT, Defender, 198cm, 92kg​

CC – 9: One of the more ready-made key defenders that has come through the draft in recent years. Not only is he 198cm, but he also has a fairly mature body for an 18-year-old. Can beat opponents in the air or at ground level.
DB – 9: O’Sullivan can play just about anywhere on the ground but looks most settled in defence, where he can clunk intercept marks and cover the ground with his elite endurance base – running the eighth best time in the 2km time trial. Scary to think the 198cm talent was used in the midfield at times this year.
JP – 12: O’Sullivan’s height is accentuated by terrific reach, a combination which makes him a dominant force in the air.

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Readers's Top 50:46

Caleb Windsor​

Eastern Ranges/VIC, Wing, 184cm, 76kg​

CC – 13: Has pushed up the rankings across the course of the year to sit firmly in the top-15 prospects in this draft pool. A wingman with pace to burn, he works hard, holds his lanes well and can also play as an inside midfielder.
DB – 14: Has risen in estimations as the year has gone on as an athletically gifted wingman who is creative and efficient with ball in hand. Glides across the ground and then hits his opponents with a lightning burst of speed.
JP – 8: The classy mover has a great turn of speed, which helps him gets him out of trouble, break lines and kick goals on the outside. But Windsor has shown enough to suggest he can develop into an all-round midfielder – one with clean hands at ground level who finds targets under pressure.

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Readers's Top 50:42

Jake Rogers​

Gold Coast Suns Academy/QLD, Midfielder, 170cm, 68kg​

CC – 14: Spent some time with Touk Miller through the Suns’ Academy program this year and is a very similar player. Racks up the footy, has incredibly clean hands, is dynamic and has good speed. On the smaller side for an AFL midfielder these days, but is hard-at-it in the contest.
DB – 11: At 170cm, you need to have some elite traits and Rogers has those in spades with his speed, agility, and super clean hands below his knees. Dominated in both AFL Academy games against senior opposition, suggesting he can crack into the Suns forward line next year. And he should be used through the midfield in the future.
JP – 11: Slick, in his movement, and with his hands, making him very hard to for the opposition to get a hold of. There’s not a lot he doesn’t do very well, and it’s only his height that sees him this far down.

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Readers's Top 50:20

James Leake​

Tasmania Devils/TAS, Defender, 187cm, 77kg​

CC – 10: The potential top-10 draft bolter – with good reason. He’s a good size, is strong in the contest, has great athletic attributes and has proven his flexibility to play at either end of the ground or through the midfield. Ticks a lot of boxes.
DB – 13: The Tasmanian swingman can turn a game at either end with his vice-like hands, soaring leap and speed off the mark. Impressed at national level for the Allies down back and kicked 12 goals in the space of three games for Devils late in the year. Have pushed him up a few spots since last week due to his match-winning qualities.
JP – 13: An under-18 All-Australian as a defender – where he really came to the fore when the ball hit the ground - before showing his value at the other end, starring in the Coates League as a forward to finish the year. A lot to like.

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Readers's Top 50:15

Darcy Wilson​

Murray Bushrangers/VIC, Wing/forward, 185cm, 74kg​

CC – 12: The first thing that springs to mind about Wilson is ‘elite runner’. But he’s more than that. He has good football IQ, is a thumping kick and can hit the scoreboard. The wing role in the AFL has become increasingly important and Wilson is a perfect fit for it.
DB – 12: A running machine with a massive leap, Wilson finished first in the running vertical jump and second in the 2km time trial. Can slot in on a wing or off a half-forward flank, where he can work up the ground and be seriously dangerous around goal. Has already matched it against men earlier this year for the AFL Academy and should be get opportunities next year.
JP – 14: Wilson is a terrific athlete and it’s his running that sets him apart – over short and long distances. But his ability to hit the scoreboard isn’t far behind.

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Readers's Top 50:49

Jordan Croft​

Calder Cannons/VIC, Forward, 200cm, 81kg​

CC – 15: Expect a bid on the Bulldogs father-son to come somewhere in the teens. He has a few other fans as a mobile 200cm key forward who provides a real presence in the air. Having so many talented talls on their list will be a good problem to have for the Dogs.
DB – 16: Will need a few pre-seasons to build size but his leap, strong contested marking and elite endurance and height will make him hard to stop. But how will the Western Bulldogs father-son fit in alongside Aaron Naughton and Jamarra Ugle-Hagan in the future?
JP – 19: Like many young talls, Croft will take time, but the way he covers the ground for a 200cm big man and marks the ball at its highest point means the Bulldogs will have no hesitation matching an early bid.

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Readers's Top 50:37

Koltyn Tholstrup​

Subiaco/WA, Forward/Midfielder, 186cm, 86kg​

CC – 16: Played plenty of senior WAFL football this year and impressed in the 2km time trial and agility tests at the national draft combine. Can impact in attack but also provide something different during bursts in the midfield.
DB – 18: : Has plenty of swagger and X-Factor but he also does the hard things, restricting dual Sandover medallist Jye Bolton to 12 SuperCoach ranking points in a tagging job in the WAFL. Donning a bright gold pair of visors atop his shaggy mullet at the combine, Tholstrup is sure to be a fan favourite wherever he goes.
JP – 16: Strong, aggressive and creative, Tholstrup just makes things happen when he’s near the ball. Looks ready to come in and play a role at AFL level next year.

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Readers's Top 50:30

Will McCabe​

Central Districts/SA, Defender, 197cm, 86kg​

CC – 18: The Hawthorn father-son prospect looks highly likely to attract a bid in the teens. The South Australian missed a chunk of the season with a foot injury but showed plenty as a key defender when he was on the park this year.
DB – 17: McCabe combines superb reading of the play with elite decision making and skills by foot. Seven intercept marks on SANFL Reserves debut for Central Districts underlined the potential of the Hawks father-son.
JP – 20: The athletic defender can play on talls and smalls and is very good one-one-one, but he shines, winning the ball back off the opposition in the air and attacking the other way

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Readers's Top 50:39

Charlie Edwards​

Sandringham Dragons/VIC, Midfielder, 191cm, 85kg​

CC – 20: A late-season bolter, Edwards started the season across half-back for the Sandringham Dragons but moved into the midfield to great effect in the second half of the year. He can drive his legs through traffic, is a penetrating kick and is a great size for a modern-day midfielder.
DB – 22: There is an element of unknown about Edwards given he didn’t feature for Vic Metro at the national championships. But his speed from congestion and height gives him exciting potential in a draft class lacking midfield depth, and he can also play off halfback.
JP – 15: He’s a bolter for good reason, with Edwards proving just what a midfield weapon he can be late in the season, putting his big body, clean hands and breakaway speed to great effect. Smaller sample size than some, but it might be enough.

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Readers's Top 50:31

Lance Collard​

Subiaco/WA, Forward, 180cm, 65kg​

CC – 21: The Bobby Hill clone emerged in the second half of the season and backed up his strong athletic attributes at the national draft combine. A quick and agile goalkicking small forward who booted 10 goals across two finals in the WAFL Colts.
DB – 20: Collard has freakish ability as a small forward, with his purple patch to finish the season in for Subiaco Colts featuring a litany of dazzling goals: selling candy, snaps from the boundary, the lot. It’s quite a step up from WAFL Colts to senior football, but his bag of tricks will be difficult for any defender to stop in time.
JP – 18: Made fellow top-30 prospect Luamon Lual look silly in WA’s final game of the under-18 carnival, taking the ball on the ground, spinning to his feet and accelerating away and kicking a goal on the run. Does things many others can’t.

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Readers's Top 50:40

Riley Hardeman​

Swan Districts/WA, Defender, 185cm, 75kg​

CC – 17: A nice left-footed rebounding defender who captained Western Australia at the national championships. His speed and booming and accurate kick are features of his game and he was one of the more in-demand players at the national draft combine when it came to club interviews.
DB – 21: Of all the half-backs available, Hardeman was the best of the lot on the national stage. His elite kicking, speed and reading of the play at his size is an attractive combination for a side looking for a rebounding defender.
JP – 21: A lively defender, Hardeman gets in great spots to the win ball back off the opposition and springboard the ball back the other way. He’s a nice size and a great runner.

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Readers's Top 50:48

Harry DeMattia​

Dandenong Stingrays/VIC, Midfielder/Forward/Defender, 185cm, 78kg​

CC – 22: Clubs tend to like dual-sport athletes and DeMattia has represented Victoria in cricket. He’s got explosive speed, serious agility and clean hands. Can be deployed across a range of positions.
DB – 15: No matter who I put at No.15 in my personal rankings, it just didn’t feel quite right. It might be a touch high for DeMattia, but the dual sportsman can play in just about any position on the ground, has blistering speed and is an elite kick. Add his leadership and ultra-professional mindset, having gone through the elite cricket pathway and you’ve got an extremely well-rounded prospect.
JP – 26: Strong, clean and versatile, every club would have a role for the gifted sports star, but he might just do everything a little too fast sometimes.

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Readers's Top 50:34

Arie Schoenmaker​

Tasmania Devils/TAS, Defender, 194cm, 91kg​

CC – 23: A versatile prospect from who can break the play open from the back-half with his penetrating left-foot kick. He also spent some time in the ruck at the tail end of the Coates Talent League season and hit the scoreboard.
DB – 23: Best kick in the draft? Certainly the most penetrating. He learnt the hard way to lift his professionalism after a 10-week suspension for a drinking related indiscretion early on in the season, and he said himself that it has helped him get into the position he is in now.
JP – 17: At 194cm, the way he rolls onto that left foot is a thing of beauty. Has come from a long way back this year and seemingly learnt a lot along the way.

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Readers's Top 50:21

Ollie Murphy​

Sandringham Dragons/VIC, Defender, 200cm, 85kg​

CC – 19: There’s some suggestions the key defender could slide back a little further than earlier thought. But Murphy looks a good long-term prospect and showed it during the national championships as he won Vic Metro’s MVP award.
DB – 19: After watching some more vision I have moved Will McCabe ahead as I feel he offers a bit more as a key defender. But nonetheless, Murphy has an elite tank, is nimble and has good skills – a handy mix for a player standing 200cm.
JP – 23: A strong national carnival solidified the 200cm defender’s place in the draft. He’s got the height to match it with the big forwards at the next level and he’s got neat skills to match.

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24

Readers's Top 50:36

Archie Roberts​

Sandringham Dragons/VIC, Defender, 184cm, 79kg​

CC – 25: A rebounding left-foot halfback who breaks the lines and didn’t put a foot wrong this season. He won flags with his school team at Haileybury and also the Sandringham Dragons. Roberts also tested well at the national draft combine, finishing seventh in the 2km time trial.
DB – 30: A late slider for me. Feel defenders Lual, Jiath and Hastie have greater scope, but Roberts you can’t go wrong with Roberts as a reliable halfback who consistently provides run from behind
JP – 22: A very neat ball-user, Roberts back himself and takes the game, setting up play as creatively as any rebounding-defender in the pool.

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25

Readers's Top 50:50

Tew Jiath​

Gippsland Power/VIC, Defender, 188cm, 72kg​

CC – 29: The younger brother of Hawthorn’s Changkuoth Jiath is linked to Hawthorn’s NGA, but it’s hard to see him getting past pick 40 for the Hawks to be able to match a bid on him. An athletic defender who still has plenty of upside to come.
DB – 26: Ahead of his brother, Changkuoth, at the same age – and we saw how steep his development was from the point he was drafted. A serious bolter after an eye-catching finish to the season where his intercepting, turn of step and composure set tongues wagging
JP – 24: Didn’t feature in the Coates League until round 9, so the rise has been steep this year – and might have only just started, too. Has shown similar top-end traits to his brother.

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26

Readers's Top 50:13

George Stevens​

GWV Rebels/VIC, Midfielder, 189cm, 101kg​

CC – 27: Remains a fascinating prospect as a big-bodied onballer who wins plenty of the footy. His speed has been his main knock, but Stevens looks a ready-made prospect and is tough, clean and a decent kick. He’ll get picked up, but opinions differ around just where in the order that will be.
DB – 25: One of the most polarising players in the draft class. Has worked tirelessly to address concerns over his speed and his high-end performances can’t be ignored in my view. Showed he can play as contested ball-winner or off halfback with his kicking skills, and can impact from the get-go with his ready-made frame
JP – 32: Tough, clean and prolific, Stevens has enjoyed a standout junior career. But will his lack of pace hold him back at the next level?

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27

Readers's Top 50:22

Will Green​

Northern Knights/VIC, Ruck, 204cm, 93kg​

CC – 24: A former junior cricket star who has quickly risen since joining the AFL pathway programs in 2021. Co-captained the Knights this year and could be anything given his quality tap-work, size, sound fundamentals and strong running ability.
DB – 27: His first half of the year was modest but his impressive athleticism and his ability to impact at ground level came to the fore in the back-half of the season. Have him ahead of Edwards and Goad.
JP – 34: A strong finish to the year highlighted the athletic Green’s potential as a tap ruckman but I’ve still got Edwards and Goad just ahead.

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28

Readers's Top 50:33

Phoenix Gothard​

Murray Bushrangers/NSW, Forward, 178cm, 72kg​

CC – 33: A lively small forward, Gothard caught the eye during the national championships and with some big games for the Bushrangers. He’s lightning quick and dangerous in the air or at ground level.
DB – 31: Wasn’t in my 40 last month, but after watching some more tape he has certainly shot up in my rankings. So elusive and his speed, workrate up the ground and goal sense epitomise the modern day small forward
JP – 27: Gothard has great goal sense himself, but the way he can bring his teammates into the game inside-50 reminds me of West Coast’s 2022 draftee Noah Long, with added speed.

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29

Readers's Top 50:47

Luamon Lual​

GWV Rebels/VIC, Defender, 181cm, 79kg​

CC – 32: Plenty of interest from clubs with picks in the late 20s and 30s, which means the Western Bulldogs NGA prospect is unlikely to get to Whitten Oval beyond pick 40.
DB – 24: Have him higher than some might. Big fan of his defensive game as a stopper and his superb composure and decision making allows him to impact the game offensively. Also has outstanding character and has done it all while commuting from Warrnambool.
JP – 37: Reads the play well and makes good decisions with the ball – and, importantly, has a sound defensive foundation underneath.

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30

Readers's Top 50:14

Mitch Edwards​

Peel Thunder/WA, Ruck, 206cm, 89kg​

CC – 30: The West Australian ruckman had a good national championships, has impressive craft and is a competitor. But he has dropped down the order just a little, with recruiters a touch concerned about his running ability
DB – 38: Had Edwards ahead of Green last month, but after watching more vision I feel Green has greater upside. Edwards’ point of difference as a ruckman is hit strong contested marking, which is valuable at his height.
JP – 25: As a great tap ruckman, who marks strongly around the ground, Edwards proved his worth with a number of standout showings across multiple levels this year.

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31

Readers's Top 50:43

Angus Hastie​

Geelong Falcons/VIC, Defender, 190cm, 74kg​

CC – 34: A mid-sized intercept defender, Hastie is able to play in lockdown roles but can also show some attacking flare. Had a solid year both with the Falcons and Vic Country
DB – 28: Hastie takes the game on with his dashing run and elite agility, but he is also extremely versatile as a defender – doing jobs on top-10 talent Nate Caddy (193cm) and smalls like Rebels forward Lachie Charleson (176cm) this year. That mix is made for the modern game
JP – 30

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32

Readers's Top 50:7

Archer Reid​

Gippsland Power/VIC, Forward/Ruck, 203cm, 94kg​

CC – 26: Plays at the opposite end of the ground to his brother – Essendon defender Zach. Reid’s marking ability in attack is his strength, but he also added another string to his bow by doing some ruck work late in the year. He’s not the complete package just yet, but 200cm key forwards rarely are at 18
DB – 33: A tough one to place. Is strong overhead, mobile and showed he can perform strongly as a forward and second ruckman, but was a touch inconsistent throughout the year.
JP – 35

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33

Readers's Top 50:28

Cooper Simpson​

Dandenong Stingrays/VIC, Midfielder/Forward, 181cm, 79kg​

CC – 39: Missed a chunk of the season including the national championships through injury, but is a professional midfielder with pace, composure and nice finishing skills
DB – 29: Where would Simpson be in draft calculations if he wasn’t sidelined for the national championships? The AFL Academy graduate is a forgotten man, but his 20 disposals and two goals in the final round was a stern reminder of his talent. Could prove to be a serious steal if he slides.
JP – 29

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34

Readers's Top 50:29

Caiden Cleary​

Sydney Swans Academy/NSW-ACT, Midfielder, 182cm, 79kg​

CC – 28: A bid could well come in the 20s for the Sydney Swans Academy member. Cleary lacks a little of the polish of some of the other midfielders in this year’s draft pool, but finds the footy and plays with plenty of heart. He had a big national championships and impressed in some VFL games for Sydney
DB – 32: A tough as nails two-way midfielder who tackles like his life depends on it. He lacks polish with his kicking, but he is one of the top contested ball-winners in the draft class.
JP – 36

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35

Readers's Top 50:32

Zane Zakostelsky​

Claremont/WA, Defender/Ruck, 196cm, 89kg​

CC – 38: Finished the season with a bang with a standout WAFL Colts Grand Final followed by playing a starring role at the national draft combine
DB – 34: With his exciting athletic make-up, his upside is enormous. Won the best-on-ground medal in the Colts grand final where he won a whopping 18 contested possessions as a ruckman and showed off his intercepting as a key defender for WA.
JP – 39

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36

Readers's Top 50:8

Taylor Goad​

South Adelaide/SA, Ruck, 206cm, 97kg​

CC – 42: The equal-tallest player to attend the national draft combine and there is plenty of upside there given he is still relatively new to the AFL talent pathways
DB – 41: Has there ever been a 206cm ruckman who can run 20 metres in 2.96-seconds – as he did at the draft combine? Very new to the game so there is significant upside with that mobility.
JP – 28

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37

Readers's Top 50:9

Joel Freijah​

GWV Rebels/VIC, Wing, 190cm, 88kg​

CC – 31: There are some knocks on his willingness to go after the hard ball, but the wingman runs elite patterns, is a good size, kicks the ball well and is generally clean and composed. He can also push forward and kick a goal
DB – 40: Freijah works tirelessly up and down the wing and the stats might not always reflect his influence. Burst onto the radar with six goals from 26 disposals and 10 marks early in the year, but his contested game will need to improve at the next level.
JP – 41

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38

Readers's Top 50:10

Ashton Moir​

Glenelg/SA, Forward, 187cm, 85kg​

CC – 46: He’ll get picked up somewhere in the middle part of the draft given his talent, but it’s hard to rank Moir highly in relation to others in the pool given his 2023 campaign
DB – 36: Moir's competitiveness has been questioned. However, there is no doubting his freakish talent, being able to kick 50m on both sides of his body. A club could do worse than to take a punt on him in the back-half of the draft.
JP – 33

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39

Readers's Top 50:16

Will Graham​

Gold Coast Suns Academy/QLD, Midfielder, 186cm, 81kg​

CC – 37: You could argue that the Gold Coast Suns Academy prospect deserves to be higher in these rankings. A tough inside midfielder who had a consistent season, including some good VFL games.
DB – 42: Turned heads with his lightning speed and huge leap at the combine. Showed some good signs against men at VFL level and could be used all over the ground at the Suns.
JP – 40

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40

Readers's Top 50:17

Koen Sanchez​

East Fremantle/WA, Forward/Midfielder, 177cm, 69kg​

CC – 36: A speedy half-forward or wingman who had an eye-catching national championships for WA. Brings great speed and energy, has clean hands and looks ready to go at the next level across half-forward.
DB – 39: See some similarities to Giant Brent Daniels here. A busy half-forward who is clean below his knees and can win his own footy up the ground.
JP – 44

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41

Readers's Top 50:18

Logan Morris​

Western Jets/VIC, Forward, 191cm, 90kg​

CC – 43: Hard to forget his 16-disposal, 11-mark and 4-goal game against Western Australia at the national championships. But he also averaged three goals a game for the Jets
DB – 35: Just kept getting the job done for the struggling Western Jets with 30 goals for the season, with seven hauls of three or more in his 10 games. Kicked two on VFL debut for Werribee and his eye-catching four-goal haul at the national champs put his vice-like hands on full display
JP – 43

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42

Readers's Top 50:12

Jack Delean​

South Adelaide/SA, Forward, 182cm, 77kg​

CC – 47: Perhaps a little underrated as a lively goalkicking forward with plenty of tricks. Hit the scoreboard consistently at all levels throughout the year
DB – 43: Certainly has some exciting traits and is capable of dazzling displays as a small forward, but there are question marks over his workrate and consistency
JP – 38

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43

Readers's Top 50:6

Clay Hall​

Peel Thunder/WA, Midfielder, 189cm, 87kg​

CC – 40: The son of former West Coast and Geelong forward Derek, he is a professional on and off the field who brings great work ethic and ticks a lot of boxes
DB – 44: The All-Australian won possessions at will on the inside at the national championships and showed good signs at WAFL level. A great size but his kicking and decision making lets him down at times.
JP – 47

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44

Readers's Top 50:5

Wil Dawson​

Gippsland Power/VIC, Defender/Ruck/Forward, 200cm, 86kg​

CC – 37: Played in all areas this year but looks to have found a home down back. Could be picked higher than many expect on draft night
DB – 51+: Is versatile, moves well and has upside given he is one of the youngest players in the draft class.
JP – 46

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45

Readers's Top 50:19

Kane McAuliffe​

North Adelaide/SA, Midfielder. 187cm, 82kg​

CC – 51+: Had the South Australian as my 51st player. Liked his national championships campaign and he did his prospects no harm at the draft combine.
DB – 46: Showed he had a serious burst of speed at the combine and was solid in the AFL Academy games. If he can tidy up his kicking he could prove to be a value option.
JP – 42

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46

Readers's Top 50:23

Shaun Mannagh​

Werribee VFL, Midfielder/forward, 175cm, 80kg​

CC – 51+: Can clearly play and looks a good chance to be drafted. However, mature aged VFL prospects often slip through to the rookie draft.
DB – 37: The best state-league talent on offer. I think the 26-year-old can make an instant impact for any side as a damaging forward-half player who kicks goals and wins the footy at will.
JP – 51+

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47

Readers's Top 50:24

Aiden O'Driscoll​

Perth/WA, Forward/Midfielder, 175cm, 70kg​

CC – 41: Only enhanced his reputation as a speedy wingman or half-forward at the national draft combine as he won the 20m sprint. Also shone brightly in the WAFL Colts Grand Final
DB – 50: With a speed-endurance mix like O’Driscoll, there’s something to work with, and his display against South Australia at the national carnival showed his potential.
JP – 49

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48

Readers's Top 50:25

Bodie Ryan​

Glenelg/SA, Defender, 187cm, 82kg​

CC – 44: Has a serious intercept game, which is all the rage in modern footy. He reads the play well but is also good one-on-one when he has to defend
DB – 51+: Was just outside my 50. Can see some similarities to his cousin, Jakob, across half-back with his reading of the play and elite agility.
JP – 48

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49

Readers's Top 50:44

Calsher Dear​

Sandringham Dragons/VIC, Forward, 195cm, 87kg​

CC – 50: The Hawks father-son prospect definitely caught the eye in the Coates League Grand Final. Looks a capable mobile key forward who can win the ball in the air or at ground level.
DB – 45: I feel he's the next best key forward in the pool behind Archer Reid. Very athletic, has strong hands overhead and had a strong finish to the season.
JP – 51+:

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50

Readers's Top 50:26

Luke Lloyd​

Sandringham Dragons/VIC, Forward, 193cm, 84kg​

CC – 45: Missed the national championships on the back of an early-season injury but looks a talent as a third-tall type forward with a good set of hands. Kicked 19 goals in a game for his school team this year.
DB – 51+: Can take a grab and had some big games, but I have his teammate Calsher Dear ahead in the key forward stakes.
JP – 51+

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INDIVIDUAL TOP 50s​

Chris CavanaghDan BattenJordan Pinto
1 Harley Reid1 Harley Reid1 Harley Reid
2 Jed Walter2 Jed Walter2 Jed Walter
3 Colby McKercher3 Colby McKercher3 Zane Duursma
4 Zane Duursma4 Dan Curtin4 Daniel Curtin
5 Daniel Curtin5 Zane Duursma5 Colby McKercher
6 Nick Watson6 Nick Watson6 Ethan Read
7 Ethan Read7 Ethan Read7 Ryley Sanders
8 Ryley Sanders8 Ryley Sanders8 Caleb Windsor
9 Connor O'Sullivan9 Connor O’Sullivan9 Nate Caddy
10 James Leake10 Nate Caddy10 Nick Watson
11 Nate Caddy11 Jake Rogers11 Jake Rogers
12 Darcy Wilson12 Darcy Wilson12 Connor O’Sullivan
13 Caleb Windsor13 Jame Leake13 James Leake
14 Jake Rogers14 Caleb Windsor14 Darcy Wilson
15 Jordan Croft15 Harry DeMattia15 Charlie Edwards
16 Koltyn Tholstrup16 Jordan Croft16 Koltyn Tholstrup
17 Riley Hardeman17 Will McCabe17 Arie Schoenmaker
18 Will McCabe18 Koltyn Tholstrup18 Lance Collard
19 Ollie Murphy19 Ollie Murphy19 Jordan Croft
20 Charlie Edwards20 Lance Collard 20 Will McCabe
21 Lance Collard21 Riley Hardeman21 Riley Hardeman
22 Harry DeMattia22 Charlie Edwards22 Archie Roberts
23 Arie Schoenmaker23 Arie Schoenmaker23 Ollie Murphy
24 Will Green24 Luamon Lual24 Tew Jiath
25 Archie Roberts 25 George Stevens 25 Mitch Edwards
26 Archer Reid26 Tew Jiath26 Harry De Mattia
27 George Stevens27 Will Green27 Phoenix Gothard
28 Caiden Cleary28 Angus Hastie28 Taylor Goad
29 Tew Jiath29 Cooper Simpson29 Cooper Simpson
30 Mitch Edwards 30 Archie Roberts 30 Angus Hastie
31 Joel Freijah31 Phoenix Gothard31 Tew Jiath
32 Luamon Lual32 Caiden Cleary32 George Stevens
33 Phoenix Gothard33 Archer Reid33 Ashton Moir
34 Angus Hastie34 Zane Zakostelsky34 Will Green
35 Will Graham35 Logan Morris35 Archer Reid
36 Koen Sanchez36 Ashton Moir36 Caiden Cleary
37 Wil Dawson37 Shaun Mannagh37 Luamon Lual
38 Zane Zakotelsky38 Mitch Edwards38 Jack Delean
39 Cooper Simpson39 Koen Sanchez39 Zane Zakostelsky
40 Clay Hall40 Joel Freijah40 Will Graham
41 Aiden O'Driscoll41 Taylor Goad41 Joel Freijah
42 Taylor Goad42 Will Graham42 Kane McAuliffe
43 Logan Morris43 Jack Delean43 Logan Morris
44 Bodie Ryan44 Clay Hall44 Koen Sanchez
45 Luke Lloyd45 Calsher Dear45 Kade De La Rue
46 Ashton Moir46 Kane McAuliffe46 Wil Dawson
47 Jack Delean47 Michael Rudd47 Clay Hall
48 Billy Wilson48 Nathan Philactides48 Bodie Ryan
49 Joe Fonti49 Joe Fonti49 Aiden O’Driscoll
50 Calsher Dear50 Aiden O’Driscoll50 Will Patton
 
Dockeroo said:
Mcdonald will be close to 70 games by the end of next season. I think at that point, what he did in 2020 as an 18 year old in colts is just about irrelevant to his value.

Here is a question - is Mcdonald a better talent than Jessie Hogan? I would say no way, definitely not. Disregarding the off field stuff. Same for Oscar Allen - well ahead of Logan at the same stage of his a career I reckon.
Let’s see what he can do in 2024 - we will have a decent idea by then what he’s really worth
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Look I don't really want us to move heaven and earth for McDonald, and i've said that a few times

This is the thing though... he didn't do it in Colts. He did it in WAFL league at about 2.5 goals per game. Not even guys like JJK and Allen did that. His stats so far are better than Oscar Allen's at a comparable stage too.

I get we don't want to pay a huge price, and I certainly don't unless Treacy turns into a pumpkin. But he's the best WA KPF prospect since JJK/Hogan, excepting the one we actually already have on our team. And he's tracking pretty well. I think Docker82 is more on the money than we collectively think.
 
TheMcManusNose said:
Look I don't really want us to move heaven and earth for McDonald, and i've said that a few times

This is the thing though... he didn't do it in Colts. He did it in WAFL league at about 2.5 goals per game. Not even guys like JJK and Allen did that. His stats so far are better than Oscar Allen's at a comparable stage too.

I get we don't want to pay a huge price, and I certainly don't unless Treacy turns into a pumpkin. But he's the best WA KPF prospect since JJK/Hogan, excepting the one we actually already have on our team. And he's tracking pretty well. I think Docker82 is more on the money than we collectively think.
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If McDonald kicks 30-60 goals a year for the next ten years we'd have a KPF better than any we've had bar Modra and Pav.

With him, TReacy and Amiss we don't need to invest in KPF for the next decade.

Go nuts on all other needs
 
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