Position 2023 Midfielders

[WaynesWorld19]

I know Clayton Oliver was the highest averaging player like year in SuperCoach.

HoneyBall interview with the guy that came 4th last year in Supercoach "For example, this year, Clayton Oliver and Rory Laird, there’s no value there. They’re priced at their max."


He instead says look for players that can increase in value.

Spot on with those comments ....the only question being, you need a couple of reliable players for your (VC) & (C) options ......determine who they are (need 3 min)

 

[toxic]

I know Clayton Oliver was the highest averaging player like year in SuperCoach.

HoneyBall interview with the guy that came 4th last year in Supercoach "For example, this year, Clayton Oliver and Rory Laird, there’s no value there. They’re priced at their max."


He instead says look for players that can increase in value.

They may be priced at their max
Doesn't make them bad picks.

Nothing wrong with finding value in M3-M5, D2-D4, F3-F4

Must always have 3 captain options minimum imho

 

[Dundalis]

I know Clayton Oliver was the highest averaging player like year in SuperCoach.

HoneyBall interview with the guy that came 4th last year in Supercoach "For example, this year, Clayton Oliver and Rory Laird, there’s no value there. They’re priced at their max."


He instead says look for players that can increase in value.

So basically you miss out on the points they score, only to maybe get them for like 50k less 8-9 rounds in (at least in Lairds case), given their scoring consistency? It's not like they are yoyo scorers where you can be sure they are gonna drop 150k due to a real dud or two.

Now it's all structure based, but you would need to be pretty damn confident the extra 70-100k is gonna make a real big difference to make up for missing out on these uber premo scores. Especially when they are going to be consistent captaincy options

 

[NYRB]

Spot on with those comments ....the only question being, you need a couple of reliable players for your (VC) & (C) options ......determine who they are (need 3 min)

They may be priced at their max
Doesn't make them bad picks.

Nothing wrong with finding value in M3-M5, D2-D4, F3-F4

Must always have 3 captain options minimum imho

Hey Im of the opinion Oliver could win the Brownlow this year.

I sense that if he was in my team, I dont know what the ceiling is for a player in Supercoach, he would be in the team for the rest of the season. Oliver averaged 127.1 in Supercoach last season.

I also think he has a higher ceiling than Laird- who scored well last year.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Hey Im of the opinion Oliver could win the Brownlow this year.

I sense that if he was in my team, I dont know what the ceiling is for a player in Supercoach, he would be in the team for the rest of the season. Oliver averaged 127.1 in Supercoach last season.

I also think he has a higher ceiling than Laird- who scored well last year.

Biggest learning is ....study the stats ....look at games ....take feedback from forums such as this & podcasts ....bit IMPORTANTLY, go with your gut feel, not someone else's view

 

[toxic]

Hey Im of the opinion Oliver could win the Brownlow this year.

I sense that if he was in my team, I dont know what the ceiling is for a player in Supercoach, he would be in the team for the rest of the season. Oliver averaged 127.1 in Supercoach last season.

I also think he has a higher ceiling than Laird- who scored well last year.

Then pick him

The guy who finished 3rd was really the 3rd loser in a long long long list of losers.

They're is no guaranteed Supercoach recipe

Back your gut

 

[NYRB]

Can Olivers value reach say up to $950k in Supercoach? i know he is currently $699,800 based off FootyWire for 2023 Supercoach

 

[toxic]

Can Olivers value reach say up to $950k in Supercoach? i know he is currently $699,800 based off FootyWire for 2023 Supercoach

No

 

[LukasTheGreat]

I know Clayton Oliver was the highest averaging player like year in SuperCoach.

HoneyBall interview with the guy that came 4th last year in Supercoach "For example, this year, Clayton Oliver and Rory Laird, there’s no value there. They’re priced at their max."


He instead says look for players that can increase in value.

If you're only worried about value you're better off picking a team off Rooks/MPM.

 

[Axly]

Brodie

Any love?

 

[Raveneyes]

Why am I doing this at midnight?

Oh that's right, it's a pre-season obsession, and iT's NEarLy Oeeevaaarrrrghrghrr

Late changes (Yeo out forced some changes)
OUT Yeo - IN Stewart
OUT Oliver - IN Jelly
OUT Green - IN JDG

Yes I am insane. But if JDG can match Green, I'm on a winner!
Jelly hopefully gets a proper chance, and taking a chance losing Olliepig due to the halfback chat. How is Clarry's hand?
Gives me the funds for any DEF I want, to join Doc and the GOAT.

Got the obligatory rooks. Like the look of Hollands, but just can't squeeze him in. DPP for both lines helps.

 

[russ]

Brodie

Any love?

want to fit him in but can't

 

[HTPunter]

Hey Im of the opinion Oliver could win the Brownlow this year.

I sense that if he was in my team, I dont know what the ceiling is for a player in Supercoach, he would be in the team for the rest of the season. Oliver averaged 127.1 in Supercoach last season.

I also think he has a higher ceiling than Laird- who scored well last year.

Pretty sure a few years ago someone did a computer model on the retrospective “ideal” team. It was nothing like how we play SC. Obviously 1) hindsight 2) we’re not computers, but it did show me that there’s literally nothing that you shouldn’t think about doing. Why not trade out the mid who’s gone back to back 180s and is over 750k - you could do an upgrade off that. And then get them back when they’re 650. Of course that’s not usually going to be the correct call but if you were a stock market trader that’s what you would do - even if you missed out on a bit more good performance, you sell high after buying low.

I haven’t won SC yet so perhaps rubbish but I do think you need at least 2 set and forget D’s, F’s, preferably both rucks and 2-3 mids. That gives you up to 9 spots that are sorted; with 3-4 captain options, and can focus on other areas. If you try for too much “value” you’re much more likely to run into roadblocks - it’s much easier to predict Oliver and Docherty flatlining at their averages than it is trying to predict 16 out of 16 breakouts.

 

[Tulendeena]

Pretty sure a few years ago someone did a computer model on the retrospective “ideal” team. It was nothing like how we play SC. Obviously 1) hindsight 2) we’re not computers, but it did show me that there’s literally nothing that you shouldn’t think about doing. Why not trade out the mid who’s gone back to back 180s and is over 750k - you could do an upgrade off that. And then get them back when they’re 650. Of course that’s not usually going to be the correct call but if you were a stock market trader that’s what you would do - even if you missed out on a bit more good performance, you sell high after buying low.

I haven’t won SC yet so perhaps rubbish but I do think you need at least 2 set and forget D’s, F’s, preferably both rucks and 2-3 mids. That gives you up to 9 spots that are sorted; with 3-4 captain options, and can focus on other areas. If you try for too much “value” you’re much more likely to run into roadblocks - it’s much easier to predict Oliver and Docherty flatlining at their averages than it is trying to predict 16 out of 16 breakouts.

Anyone do this for last years season? It'd be an interesting read

 

[jdwood]

Not seeing a lot of love for Mills - any reason?

Appreciate he missed the practice game but expect he will be fine for round 1. Hard to see him going backwards.

Could use the funds going Oliver to Mills to fund other moves.

 

[Scythe94]

Not seeing a lot of love for Mills - any reason?

Appreciate he missed the practice game but expect he will be fine for round 1. Hard to see him going backwards.

Could use the funds going Oliver to Mills to fund other moves.

Because you'll get him for MUCH cheaper after he inevitably spends a game wasting away in defence and drops a 60.

 

[T4P]

Bowes' injury has destabilised my team structure, have gone:
Bowes > Cumming
Laird > Macrae
Ash > O.Baker (Mackenzie/Phillips to M8)

 

[TDS7]

Not seeing a lot of love for Mills - any reason?

Appreciate he missed the practice game but expect he will be fine for round 1. Hard to see him going backwards.

Could use the funds going Oliver to Mills to fund other moves.

I heard a tidbit from a very reliable source over the break that might be relevant.

A lot of Swans insiders believe that he should be playing at halfback instead of through the guts. He is brilliant as a midfielder, but they have plenty of brilliant midfielders and no one who bring his tenacity, strength, or awareness in the backline.

It might be interesting to see if he picks up DPP over the first half of the year but there's every chance in my mind that he spends half his TOG as a back flanker.

 

[Nuggetz]

I heard a tidbit from a very reliable source over the break that might be relevant.

A lot of Swans insiders believe that he should be playing at halfback instead of through the guts. He is brilliant as a midfielder, but they have plenty of brilliant midfielders and no one who bring his tenacity, strength, or awareness in the backline.

It might be interesting to see if he picks up DPP over the first half of the year but there's every chance in my mind that he spends half his TOG as a back flanker.

Tbh he's our best mid but he could also be our best defender too. Our backline is pretty settled at the moment, so there's no need for him to play in that area & our mids are super young with Gulden added to the mix. Imo there's more of a need for him in the mids then in the backline. I highly doubt he gets DPP unless our defensive stocks are decimated & he has to play in that area.

 

[NinjaSwan]

Tbh he's our best mid but he could also be our best defender too. Our backline is pretty settled at the moment, so there's no need for him to play in that area & our mids are super young with Gulden added to the mix. Imo there's more of a need for him in the mids then in the backline. I highly doubt he gets DPP unless our defensive stocks are decimated & he has to play in that area.

Yeah I’m pretty sure it’ll be like last season where he only goes back if the other team is really getting on top of us.

I do think he continues to attend reduced CBAs though starting either on the wing or forward to have someone more explosive at the centre bounce, but then he’ll swap with them right after and play inside mid around the ground.

 

[TDS7]

Tbh he's our best mid but he could also be our best defender too. Our backline is pretty settled at the moment, so there's no need for him to play in that area & our mids are super young with Gulden added to the mix. Imo there's more of a need for him in the mids then in the backline. I highly doubt he gets DPP unless our defensive stocks are decimated & he has to play in that area.

I would have thought the same, Mills is a top-echelon midfielder and really enabled Warner and Parker going forward. If I was in the coach's box I'd lock him in the centre square, maybe let Gulden take up his stoppage role in the front half, and let him sit in a defensive position behind the pack. But the guy I spoke to knows his stuff at the Swans, and he's told me Mills will play more back this year and Gulden more mid. That's all I know, and that was a few weeks ago pre-practice matches.

 

[54Dogs]

I know Clayton Oliver was the highest averaging player like year in SuperCoach.

HoneyBall interview with the guy that came 4th last year in Supercoach "For example, this year, Clayton Oliver and Rory Laird, there’s no value there. They’re priced at their max."


He instead says look for players that can increase in value.

In theory this makes sense, excl Captaincy. If you have a player who holds last yrs average at say 127 and he's scoring 10 ppg more than everyone in your team with "upside", that essentially makes him worth an extra 10 ppg because his score is doubled.

 

[jdwood]

I heard a tidbit from a very reliable source over the break that might be relevant.

A lot of Swans insiders believe that he should be playing at halfback instead of through the guts. He is brilliant as a midfielder, but they have plenty of brilliant midfielders and no one who bring his tenacity, strength, or awareness in the backline.

It might be interesting to see if he picks up DPP over the first half of the year but there's every chance in my mind that he spends half his TOG as a back flanker.

Interesting. Still imagine he would score well there but not ideal for a top priced mid.

As it stands, I've brought Macrae back in. Just so consistent over so many years - he dipped slightly at the end of last year but I expect that he should bounce back (Dunkley out may help marginally).

 

[jdwood]

In theory this makes sense, excl Captaincy. If you have a player who holds last yrs average at say 127 and he's scoring 10 ppg more than everyone in your team with "upside", that essentially makes him worth an extra 10 ppg because his score is doubled.

Having a bankable captain is just so important. It used to be Gawn and Grundy but now they play on the same team. Laird is so good because he doesn't get tagged and he also tackles which helps smooth out his scores on the odd occasion he is not finding it as much.

 

[Nuggetz]

I would have thought the same, Mills is a top-echelon midfielder and really enabled Warner and Parker going forward. If I was in the coach's box I'd lock him in the centre square, maybe let Gulden take up his stoppage role in the front half, and let him sit in a defensive position behind the pack. But the guy I spoke to knows his stuff at the Swans, and he's told me Mills will play more back this year and Gulden more mid. That's all I know, and that was a few weeks ago pre-practice matches.

Fair enough mate, either way I agree with you that he'll play a bit less mids. Maybe he gets a few cheap possessions down back?