Preview 2023 National Draft Preview Thread [currently: #2, #14 (PA), #19 (PP) #40, #52, #60]

[RHLK]

The though that #2 or #3 can't be wasted on 'Le Boeuf' Curtin because his position at AFL level can't been determined yet - is he an undersized KPD, a roving, half back marking interceptor, or a tall, side-stepping midfielder? - is surely the reason for picking him - he could be anything. Watson, on the other hand, seems rather typecast.

 

[GS WARRIORS]

Darcy Moore was pick 9

Moore was also a forward when he was drafted though.

 

[R00StaR]

The though that #2 or #3 can't be wasted on 'Le Boeuf' Curtin because his position at AFL level can't been determined yet - is he an undersized KPD, a roving, half back marking interceptor, or a tall, side-stepping midfielder? - is surely the reason for picking him - he could be anything. Watson, on the other hand, seems rather typecast.

he's 195cm thats not undersized. May 193, Lever 195, Weitering 195

 

[big_e]

Fwiw, the Bulldogs bid on Moore at pick 5, but the rules at the time meant Collingwood could take him at 9.

 

[kool kangas]

Fwiw, the Bulldogs bid on Moore at pick 5, but the rules at the time meant Collingwood could take him at 9.

Wow! what a surprise!!!! Another AFL rort from a higher club and everyone is complaining about us..

 

[Only Forwards]

Fwiw, the Bulldogs bid on Moore at pick 5, but the rules at the time meant Collingwood could take him at 9.

In some ways I think that that bidding system was fairer than the current point nonsense.

None are or will be prefect but I think paying for a top rated kid with a higher pick is fairer then the points bundling that now goes on.

 

[Harpergun]

In some ways I think that that bidding system was fairer than the current point nonsense.

None are or will be prefect but I think paying for a top rated kid with a higher pick is fairer then the points bundling that now goes on.

Wouldn’t mind seeing next available pick from the same round used.
So if someone bids on an nga of fs with a first rounder, you need to use your next first rounder, don’t have one, you live trade to get one or if no trade or pick available, you miss out.
Would make for some interesting draft strategy and also viewing come draft night.

 

[DesertRoo]

Wouldn’t mind seeing next available pick from the same round used.
So if someone bids on an nga of fs with a first rounder, you need to use your next first rounder, don’t have one, you live trade to get one or if no trade or pick available, you miss out.
Would make for some interesting draft strategy and also viewing come draft night.

They need to open up trading on draft night, It would be so much more entertaining seeing players move. Also cap space should be another mechanism that’s tradable on draft night.

It should all be live as well. Money going up and done, players going in and out. People would actually tune into watch

 

[joegreen]

Wouldn’t mind seeing next available pick from the same round used.
So if someone bids on an nga of fs with a first rounder, you need to use your next first rounder, don’t have one, you live trade to get one or if no trade or pick available, you miss out.
Would make for some interesting draft strategy and also viewing come draft night.

Could even go a step further and say the pick needs to be within 5 of the bid. A gun player bid on within the first 3 picks and only using pick 15+ still creates issues. Every draft there is really only 5 to 10 really talented players.

So, pick 3 bid, you must have pick 8 or better. You're then in the same (or much closer at least) tier talentwise.

 

[LB2Snake]

Could even go a step further and say the pick needs to be within 5 of the bid. A gun player bid on within the first 3 picks and only using pick 15+ still creates issues. Every draft there is really only 5 to 10 really talented players.

So, pick 3 bid, you must have pick 8 or better. You're then in the same (or much closer at least) tier talentwise.

This will only happen in the year North have a FS, will be conveniently slipped in then. They wouldn't dare to it to a big club, wouldn't happen.

 

[big_e]

There's no way to have Father Sons in the draft and do it fairly. Every method they've tried has had anomalous outcomes.

Honestly I think they should just get rid of the Father Son rule altogether. Give everyone advance warning, maybe three or four years down the track so you aren't disadvantaged for kids you've already put some work into, but it's a relic of a competition that has changed so much it's unrecognisable from when these rules were introduced.

 

[joegreen]

And speaking of tiers... our resident draft experts roos_fanatic08 Souup and others, previous years you've broken your draft rankings into tiers. Hoping you're able to do the same this year?

With all the talk of trading/splitting picks it would be great to see where the tiers sit.

Are Reid and Walters in tier 1? Is tier 2 then the next 5 players? If you are trading out of tier 2 for players in tier 4 is that too much of a risk?

For mine I like the idea of 2 elite talents from tier 2.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Wouldn’t mind seeing next available pick from the same round used.
So if someone bids on an nga of fs with a first rounder, you need to use your next first rounder, don’t have one, you live trade to get one or if no trade or pick available, you miss out.
Would make for some interesting draft strategy and also viewing come draft night.

Could even go a step further and say the pick needs to be within 5 of the bid. A gun player bid on within the first 3 picks and only using pick 15+ still creates issues. Every draft there is really only 5 to 10 really talented players.

So, pick 3 bid, you must have pick 8 or better. You're then in the same (or much closer at least) tier talentwise.

The points system was created to make selection of father sons and academy picks fairer. You guys are looking for a way to make it even fairererer. Why? Because clever clubs worked out how to rort the points system by trading out their next available pick before it would be required to match a bid.

This will only happen in the year North have a FS, will be conveniently slipped in then. They wouldn't dare to it to a big club, wouldn't happen.

And here's the dirty little secret that we probably don't want to acknowledge - we were one of the first clubs to rort the points system by trading out our first rounder before we had to burn it on matching a bid for Tarryn Thomas.

It doesn't matter how much more complicated you make the system, someone is going to benefit by being clever and manipulating the system to get the best result for themselves.

 

[giantroo]

 

[giantroo]

PMBangers pre-trade phantom mock draft

 

[justroyal]

There's no way to have Father Sons in the draft and do it fairly. Every method they've tried has had anomalous outcomes.

Honestly I think they should just get rid of the Father Son rule altogether. Give everyone advance warning, maybe three or four years down the track so you aren't disadvantaged for kids you've already put some work into, but it's a relic of a competition that has changed so much it's unrecognisable from when these rules were introduced.

This is going to sound stupid, but I’ve always thought screw it. Let the father son go to the team without any hassles. Maybe as like an academy or something seperate we’re bids don’t need to be matched. I know it may seem unfair when comparing the likes of a Daicos vs a Cooper Harvey for example, but in the end of the day, everyone loves the romance of it and the club they’re going to probably played big part in the overall development of that player and that players father’s development/skills.

 

[Only Forwards]

There's no way to have Father Sons in the draft and do it fairly. Every method they've tried has had anomalous outcomes.

Honestly I think they should just get rid of the Father Son rule altogether. Give everyone advance warning, maybe three or four years down the track so you aren't disadvantaged for kids you've already put some work into, but it's a relic of a competition that has changed so much it's unrecognisable from when these rules were introduced.

If they were shooting for fair there are a number of problems that the AFL would need to:

• Remove Father Son selections
• Remove Academy selections (NGA and Northern)
• Remove Free Agency compensation
• Fix the "Go Home" Factor
• Remove draft assistance

But the AFL do not want fair. Fair means that they cannot have their thumb on the scale.

If they wanted to fix one thing, they would have to fix all the things.

 

[Souup]

And speaking of tiers... our resident draft experts roos_fanatic08 Souup and others, previous years you've broken your draft rankings into tiers. Hoping you're able to do the same this year?

With all the talk of trading/splitting picks it would be great to see where the tiers sit.

Are Reid and Walters in tier 1? Is tier 2 then the next 5 players? If you are trading out of tier 2 for players in tier 4 is that too much of a risk?

For mine I like the idea of 2 elite talents from tier 2.

Tier 1
______
Reid
Walter

Tier 2
______
Watson
Sanders
Mckercher

Tier 3
_______
Darcy Wilson
Mitch Edwards
Nate Caddy
Ethan Read
Duursma
O'Sullivan
Curtin

Tier 4
_______
Joel Freijah
Angus Hastie
Will Green
Murphy
Windsor
Croft
Leake
Roberts

I'd be taking two of the guys in tier 2 over trading up for Reid personally. I'd trade down if you could guarantee someone from tier 3.

 

[Disco Dew]

I’d feel different about father sons if ours were super stars, but they’re not, so **** it off!

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

PMBangers pre-trade phantom mock draft

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If the 3x Gold Coast academy bids all end up in the top 10 as this phantom draft suggests, that equates to 5,790 points or 4,632 with the 20% discount. They currently hold 4,033 points. That being the case, they would be forced to go into deficit in 2024.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

If they were shooting for fair there are a number of problems that the AFL would need to:

• Remove Father Son selections
• Remove Academy selections (NGA and Northern)
• Remove Free Agency compensation
• Fix the "Go Home" Factor
• Remove draft assistance

But the AFL do not want fair. Fair means that they cannot have their thumb on the scale.

If they wanted to fix one thing, they would have to fix all the things.

But if you don't want the AFL to have a finger on the scale, then you are also saying no to equalisation which means doing away with the salary cap as well as the draft and letting the rich clubs buy the best 18 year olds as well as the best experienced players.

 

[LeFtBehinD]

If the 3x Gold Coast academy bids all end up in the top 10 as this phantom draft suggests, that equates to 5,790 points or 4,632 with the 20% discount. They currently hold 4,033 points. That being the case, they would be forced to go into deficit in 2024.

As soon as they trade 4 they’ll have more than enough to cover.

 

[lockheed]

We have a core of very good players that have the potential to take us to the pointy end of a season. Obviously, ever team needs players that can win and halve contests, and we obviously need more of these.

Outside of our list, there have been three areas where I reckon we regularly cut our own throat. Our work rate, inability to spread and defend other team's spread, is one. Obviously, that's dependent of fitness and intent. Hopefully, this is suh a high priority for our coaches now.

A second factor has been our poor transition out of defence.

And third is our inability to lock the ball in our own forward line.

If they were shooting for fair there are a number of problems that the AFL would need to:

• Remove Father Son selections
• Remove Academy selections (NGA and Northern)
• Remove Free Agency compensation
• Fix the "Go Home" Factor
• Remove draft assistance

But the AFL do not want fair. Fair means that they cannot have their thumb on the scale.

If they wanted to fix one thing, they would have to fix all the things.

Do father-son selections still get a point discount?

If they do, then removing the discount would make the system a little fairer.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

As soon as they trade 4 they’ll have more than enough to cover.

IF they trade 4.

I believe there are ramifications involved. For instance, they currently hold 8 picks that make up the 4,033 points that they have available to match bids. But the only way they can use those picks/points is to delist 8 players. If someone offered them 3 picks in exchange for their pick 4 (with the 3 picks tallying up to significantly more than the value of pick 4) then they would have to delist 10 players. Now, they are only getting 3 academy players for 10 delistings, meaning that they then have to replenish their list with 7 players taken from round 5 onwards (including PSD and rookie draft). All to preserve their first round pick in 2024.

Maybe they won't trade pick 4.

 

[big_e]

This is going to sound stupid, but I’ve always thought screw it. Let the father son go to the team without any hassles. Maybe as like an academy or something seperate we’re bids don’t need to be matched. I know it may seem unfair when comparing the likes of a Daicos vs a Cooper Harvey for example, but in the end of the day, everyone loves the romance of it and the club they’re going to probably played big part in the overall development of that player and that players father’s development/skills.

Yeah, that's a totally valid argument. I've even thought the same thing at various times. But every other major sporting competition in the world manages just fine without it. And players who really wanted to play for their dad's team could still get there via trade if they wanted to.