Preview 2023 National Draft Preview Thread [currently: #2, #14 (PA), #19 (PP) #40, #52, #60]

[ferball]

A small forward is great if you move the ball quickly enough in transition to get them one out opportunities. Hill would barely get a kick in our side currently and Spicer would probably kick goals in theirs.

You're not gonna play in a Gf without a side that can move the ball quickly in transition.

That's one of the reasons premiers since covid have had smaller forwards kicks alot of goals.

There was another opportunity for Hill yesterday when someone kicked to a marking contests and he was on one on with a much taller player. If they'd put that ball on the ground five metres away from Hill he'd have had another goal. But it was kicked to the taller defender's advantage.

 

[Epictetus]

Hill, Cameron, Bailey and McCartney kicked over 10 goals between them and with other smalls who missed goals there were at least another ten behinds. McCreery kicked 0.3, could have two or three himself.

The year before Stengle kicked 4 for the Premiers to have the game high goals. The year before that Fritsch kicked 6. He's a medium forward, not a small but not a KPF either. Dusty Martin kicked 8 in two Gfs - same height as Fritsch. etc etc.

Mobile forwards are more important than tall forwards in GFs.
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Where were all of those players drafted or what were they traded for?

Collingwood won because they had more midfield options and Brisbane don't bat deep enough in that position.

 

[Shermanator]

Lance Collard = The Greens

Lance Collard = The the boil

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Where were all of those players drafted or what were they traded for?

Collingwood won because they had more midfield options and Brisbane don't bat deep enough in that position.

I don’t think the influential small forwards were excess midfielders dropped forward, though. I’m trying to remember but it feels like the best ones were always nippy forwards with the speed and instincts and skills they need to succeed there. I’d be interested in the experts’ comments on this question.

As an aside, I don’t think it was midfield depth that made the difference, it was that Pendlebury and Sidebottom and the Daicoses and Crisp and Mitchell and DeGoey outplayed their opposition.

 

[DesertRoo]

Hill, Cameron, Bailey and McCartney kicked over 10 goals between them and with other smalls who missed goals there were at least another ten behinds. McCreery kicked 0.3, could have two or three himself.

The year before Stengle kicked 4 for the Premiers to have the game high goals. The year before that Fritsch kicked 6. He's a medium forward, not a small but not a KPF either. Dusty Martin kicked 8 in two Gfs - same height as Fritsch. etc etc.

Mobile forwards are more important than tall forwards in GFs.
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Lol, accurate kicking is the common factor here not height..

You don’t get many opportunities as a forward you must take ‘em.

 

[ferball]

Lol, accurate kicking is the common factor here not height..

You don’t get many opportunities as a forward you must take ‘em.

Yesterday was pretty bad for accurate kicking, at goal and just field kicking, but it seemed like an intense atmosphere. After a slow start the pressure was wild - you could almost feel it thru the tv screen after about 15 minutes.

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

I don’t think the influential small forwards were excess midfielders dropped forward, though. I’m trying to remember but it feels like the best ones were always nippy forwards with the speed and instincts and skills they need to succeed there. I’d be interested in the experts’ comments on this question.

As an aside, I don’t think it was midfield depth that made the difference, it was that Pendlebury and Sidebottom and the Daicoses and Crisp and Mitchell and DeGoey outplayed their opposition.

Where the f*ck was Neale? I have never really seen him play off the charts unless against North.

If McCluggage and Neale play even 70% of their usual output, Brisbane win.

 

[ferball]

Lol, accurate kicking is the common factor here not height..

You don’t get many opportunities as a forward you must take ‘em.

If you go back to the Bulldogs GFs and Hawthorns its mobile forwards than win Flags. Even mids like Martin or someone like DeGoey kick alot of goals when they're forward cos they move well and are hard to stop. Obviously they have to kick straight when they get it but they need to be mobile enough to get it.

Frampton yesterday did nothing. But then it wasn't really his job cos he did make it hard for Brisbane to set up and intercept then run the ball out. Its like he was a decoy forward tho.

The whole game is about mobility and fast movement now and has been since 2016 when the Dogs won the GF off the back of throwing the ball from on end of the ground to the other.

 

[ferball]

I don’t think the influential small forwards were excess midfielders dropped forward, though. I’m trying to remember but it feels like the best ones were always nippy forwards with the speed and instincts and skills they need to succeed there. I’d be interested in the experts’ comments on this question.

As an aside, I don’t think it was midfield depth that made the difference, it was that Pendlebury and Sidebottom and the Daicoses and Crisp and Mitchell and DeGoey outplayed their opposition.

The better midfield won. i think the experience of Pendlebury and Sidebottom, even DeGoey to an extent was really the difference. There were crucial times when those players won or even just halved contests that had to be won, or halved. Big moments where DeGoey stood up and scored or set up goals. Lions players didn't do this. Zorko and Neale weren't up to it. DeGoey beat Dunkley.

You're right about mids as small forwards too. We've tried that with Mahoney and Turner. They are better than they get credit for but they don't have that elite goal sense that Cameron, Hill, Stengle, Pickett etc etc have.

 

[Disco Dew]

I agree with the talk of small forwards being important following the GF, but I would also suggest having a good team across the board is also important.
We don’t have either of those things…

 

[King Hansen]

We need talls:

Premiership talls:
Moore
Murphy
Cameron
Cox
Frampton

They don’t need to be superstars, they just need to play their role.

Only until you compare it with Cats in 2022....

 

[Passmore]

Only until you compare it with Cats in 2022....

Every year it's different. That's why you can't get caught up trying to ape what you've just seen.



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[ferball]

Every year it's different. That's why you can't get caught up trying to ape what you've just seen.



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That's true. To a point. The trend of the game is definitely toward speed and mobility but at the same time big forwards aren't the be all and end all.

I reckon whatever sort of forward line you have you need fast effective transition and then that forward line needs to be mobile and capable of shutting down or nullifying the intercepting defenders that drive goals from turnovers.

The three towers forward line we had was effective cos the guys playing in it were mobile, (W80 and Drew especially but even Brown could get up and down the ground alot even if his lateral movement was poor.) Not cos three tall bastards were too hard to stop if they stood there and marked or led one dimensionally.

 

[Psicosis]

I get the whole “we need defenders” narrative. Whilst I agree, I’m not really keen on us using these two early picks (2 & 3) on one.

Get me match winners early.

Address the backline with later in picks.

Think the makeup of both sides yesterday only reiterated that.

 

[Marksup]

I get the whole “we need defenders” narrative. Whilst I agree, I’m not really keen on us using these two early picks (2 & 3) on one.

Get me match winners early.

Address the backline with later in picks.

Think the makeup of both sides yesterday only reiterated that.

Darcy Moore was pick 9

 

[Psicosis]

Darcy Moore was pick 9

Correct, he wasn’t pick 2 or 3. No issue using a mid-late first rounder on a defender.

 

[DunderHead]

Correct, he wasn’t pick 2 or 3. No issue using a mid-late first rounder on a defender.

Get Reid and he can play back next to a tall cheap athletic stopper. He’d make that type of player look good. Then Reid can go forward or in the midfield as needed.

 

[Psicosis]

Get Reid and he can play back next to a tall cheap athletic stopper. He’d make that type of player look good. Then Reid can go forward or in the midfield as needed.

Yeah he’s a match winner.

For the record I’m not saying don’t draft Curtin. What I’m saying is only draft him if you are confident that he could become that big body match winning mid/utility, not just because he’s the best KPD (but not really a KPD) available.

Fairly confident that it we are after match winners, Reid and Watson are the two we’d want in that early range.

 

[pupstar]

Yeah he’s a match winner.

For the record I’m not saying don’t draft Curtin. What I’m saying is only draft him if you are confident that he could become that big body match winning mid/utility, not just because he’s the best KPD (but not really a KPD) available.

Fairly confident that it we are after match winners, Reid and Watson are the two we’d want in that early range.

Probably won't end up with Ried so as match winners who would you take at 2-3 Watson and who or would you gamble on Watson sliding and take 2 others with 2-3.

 

[the big lebowski]

I get the whole “we need defenders” narrative. Whilst I agree, I’m not really keen on us using these two early picks (2 & 3) on one.

Get me match winners early.

Address the backline with later in picks.

Think the makeup of both sides yesterday only reiterated that.

It’s a really good draft for KPD imo

Curtin 2-5

O’Sullivan 5-10

Murphy 10-15

Shoenmakers 20-40

Dawson 20-40

ZZ Top 20-40

Really really like the look of Dawson. 200 cm lockdown defender and has shown a bit up forward. Not an accumulator like all the other guys I mentioned but can definitely see him making it at afl level

 

[My Left Foote]

Curtin, Kerch and Watson is probably best for list balance. But ITK posters have said that North’s draft list doesn’t match up.

Which ITK posters are these? I’m yet to see a post which actually claims to be our draft order, from what I can tell it’s all pure speculation with a lot of projecting to suit each poster’s personal preference.

 

[SheezNuts]

2. Mckercher
3. Watson
?. Sanders
?. O'Sullivan

 

[nelroo]

Just get better at picking the eyes out of draft with later picks on key defenders.

Scott Thompson
Spud Firrito

We have done it before.

Look at GWS with Jack Buckley for goodness sake. He was awesome in the finals.

 

[Lomas]

Correct, he wasn’t pick 2 or 3. No issue using a mid-late first rounder on a defender.

Was a father son match though, they often slide a few spots before the bid.

 

[Psicosis]

Was a father son match though, they often slide a few spots before the bid.

Potentially, potentially not. Doesn’t really change the fact I’m not using 2 or 3 on someone that is “just” a KPD.

If I were a betting man, I don’t think Clarko would disagree with me, after the DGB pick.