Preview 2023 National Draft Preview Thread [currently: #2, #14 (PA), #19 (PP) #40, #52, #60]

[joegreen]

Tier 1
______
Reid
Walter

Tier 2
______
Watson
Sanders
Mckercher

Tier 3
_______
Darcy Wilson
Mitch Edwards
Nate Caddy
Ethan Read
Duursma
O'Sullivan
Curtin

Tier 4
_______
Joel Freijah
Angus Hastie
Will Green
Murphy
Windsor
Croft
Leake
Roberts

I'd be taking two of the guys in tier 2 over trading up for Reid personally. I'd trade down if you could guarantee someone from tier 3.

If North's draft board reflects this, a very compelling case to trade out of tier 2 would need to be made. Like last year, we have the opportunity to take 2 top end talents.

 

[The_General#1]

Why would we be going after Zac Fisher

16

Zac Fisher

Age

26

Ht

175cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.0

5star

MG

384.0

5star

D

17.0

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

384.0

5star

D

12.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

3.0

5star

in the trade period?

 

[Only Forwards]

But if you don't want the AFL to have a finger on the scale, then you are also saying no to equalisation which means doing away with the salary cap as well as the draft and letting the rich clubs buy the best 18 year olds as well as the best experienced players.

I mean if we are aiming for fair to would be maintaining a salary cap and then putting mechanisms in place for all clubs to have access to all talent coming through the draft.

A while back I went an put together how diluted the draft has been with additional picks, or selections for talent that was not in the open pool. It was something like out of 15 years there has been a single year where the top 5 wasn't impacted by some form of dilution.

my point was more that if you want to fix one aspect of the draft (father sons) to make it fairer (or remove them entirely) then all aspects that lead us to a compromised draft would need to be fixed.

The salary cap doesn't compromise the draft.

However to fix each aspect you'd need to fix the reason the aspect is there in the first place. like Northern academies and the go home factor. Or NGAs and growing the game and making it more accessible.

 

[Only Forwards]

I'd be taking two of the guys in tier 2 over trading up for Reid personally. I'd trade down if you could guarantee someone from tier 3.

If the situation ended up with us having 1,3 & 15 would you still not trade up?

 

[Roo202]

 

[tiltraise]

Why would we be going after Zac Fisher in the trade period?

We lack runners and as hes been playing in the 2s thus is gettable for a team that has hardly won a match recently.

Played some decent footy off half back in latter half of year.

 

[4cunningTonneTruck]

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Averages based on these 7 draft watchers:

1. Harley Reid - 1.1
2. Jed Walter - 1.86
3. Colby McKercher - 3.43
4. Dan Curtin - 4.71
5. Zane Duursma - 4.86
6. Ryley Sanders - 6.57
7. Nick Watson - 6.86
8. Ethan Read - 7.43
9. Connor O'Sullivan - 9.29
10. Nate Caddy - 9.71
11. Jake Rogers - 10.86
12. Darcy Wilson - 12.29
13. Ollie Murphy - 14.29
14. Jordan Croft - 15.57
15. Caleb Windsor - 18.43
16. Will McCabe - 18.86 *
17. Riley Hardeman - 18.86 *
18. Koltyn Tholstrup - 20.86
19. Harry DeMattia - 21.57
20. James Leake - 22 **

* Tied on same average but formatting wouldn't allow me to give them the same rank
**James Leake wasn't in 1 draft watchers top 30 so gave him a score of 31 for that draft watcher

 

[ferball]

They need to open up trading on draft night, It would be so much more entertaining seeing players move. Also cap space should be another mechanism that’s tradable on draft night.

It should all be live as well. Money going up and done, players going in and out. People would actually tune into watch

It would suck if you were a player, especially if you'd started pre season.

I was watching the NRL yesterday and shocked at how many players were constantly on the move and it was all known before the game. Seems so much more mercenary.

 

[DesertRoo]

It would suck if you were a player, especially if you'd started pre season.

I was watching the NRL yesterday and shocked at how many players were constantly on the move and it was all known before the game. Seems so much more mercenary.

How many of that Panthers team played for St Mary’s saints thou??
The afl is already much worse in terms of connection to the local area.

 

[ferball]

How many of that Panthers team played for St Mary’s saints thou??
The afl is already much worse in terms of connection to the local area.

True but they have a catchment area the size of Tasmania with a population four or five times higher.

 

[Ether]

This is going to sound stupid, but I’ve always thought screw it. Let the father son go to the team without any hassles. Maybe as like an academy or something seperate we’re bids don’t need to be matched. I know it may seem unfair when comparing the likes of a Daicos vs a Cooper Harvey for example, but in the end of the day, everyone loves the romance of it and the club they’re going to probably played big part in the overall development of that player and that players father’s development/skills.

Agree. I don't think father sons are unfair. We just haven't done as well out of them as some other teams. If we had some guns from the rule we wouldn't be whingeing about it (and there's no reason we won't get some in the future). And we'd be ropeable if we had some and weren't able to recruit them.

 

[Souup]

If the situation ended up with us having 1,3 & 15 would you still not trade up?

It's hard to give a concrete answer because there are so many variables. It's also easier to talk about names rather than picks.

If you tell me 1, 3 and 15 gives us Reid, Curtin and Roberts, then I'm not huge on it.

If it gives us Reid, Watson and Wilson/Edwards, then sign me up.

 

[ferball]

Agree. I don't think father sons are unfair. We just haven't done as well out of them as some other teams. If we had some guns from the rule we wouldn't be whingeing about it (and there's no reason we won't get some in the future). And we'd be ropeable if we had some and weren't able to recruit them.

Bailey Scott is a gun, even Lmac is a better than okay footballer. Harvey and Jackson could be excellent players in a good system.

 

[big_e]

Agree. I don't think father sons are unfair. We just haven't done as well out of them as some other teams. If we had some guns from the rule we wouldn't be whingeing about it (and there's no reason we won't get some in the future). And we'd be ropeable if we had some and weren't able to recruit them.

Any mechanism that prevents the worst teams from getting the best players in the draft is inherently unfair. It's nothing to do with the fact we haven't done as well as other - notwithstanding we've done a lot better than some other clubs, too.

It's not like we're prevented from recruiting the children of people who played for the club - if it matters that much, you just have to reach up a bit in the draft, either through trades or just picking them ahead of where they "should " go. Or you chase them in a trade down the track.

 

[Only Forwards]

It's hard to give a concrete answer because there are so many variables. It's also easier to talk about names rather than picks.

If you tell me 1, 3 and 15 gives us Reid, Curtin and Roberts, then I'm not huge on it.

If it gives us Reid, Watson and Wilson/Edwards, then sign me up.

That then comes down to the order NMFC have your tier 2 players ranked in.

If we had Reid, then it is highly likely that Watson would still be there at 3 (well 4 after Walter)

I see little rhyme or reason as to why we would look at Roberts at all. 183cm defender is not exactly what we appear to be screaming out for relative to other list holes we have.

 

[Chadwiko]

Tier 1
______
Reid
Walter

Tier 2
______
Watson
Sanders
Mckercher

Tier 3
_______
Darcy Wilson
Mitch Edwards
Nate Caddy
Ethan Read
Duursma
O'Sullivan
Curtin

Tier 4
_______
Joel Freijah
Angus Hastie
Will Green
Murphy
Windsor
Croft
Leake
Roberts

I'd be taking two of the guys in tier 2 over trading up for Reid personally. I'd trade down if you could guarantee someone from tier 3.

Just my perspective/opinion;

You're too low on Curtin, and too high on Duursma.

As much as I rate Sanders highly, I doubt many AFL clubs would have him in tier 2, as well.

 

[year of the roo]

Just my perspective/opinion;

You're too low on Curtin, and too high on Duursma.

As much as I rate Sanders highly, I doubt many AFL clubs would have him in tier 2, as well.

Hey Chadwikodamus, can we take your opinion on Curtin as read?

 

[The_General#1]

That then comes down to the order NMFC have your tier 2 players ranked in.

If we had Reid, then it is highly likely that Watson would still be there at 3 (well 4 after Walter)

I see little rhyme or reason as to why we would look at Roberts at all. 183cm defender is not exactly what we appear to be screaming out for relative to other list holes we have.

Twomey has Roberts reasonably high but I’m with you Only Forwards why would we go after Roberts. He gets a bit of the footy but mainly thru kick ins. What’s his weapon that helps us?

 

[Deleted member 98541]

Expected starting draft hand 2,3 14, 19....Turns into 3, 4, ~19, ~25 with
Walter, Mackay, Read, McCabe, Croft, Rogers.

Using Souup's rankings...

Tier 1
1)Reid
Walter

Picks 2 & 3
Tier 2
2)Watson
3)Sanders
4)Mckercher

Tier 3
5)Darcy Wilson
6)Mitch Edwards
7)Nate Caddy
Ethan Read
8)Duursma
9)O'Sullivan
10)Curtin

Tier 4
11)Joel Freijah
12)Angus Hastie
13)Will Green

Pick 14
14)Murphy
15)Windsor
Croft
16)Leake
17)Roberts


Going off the draft watcher averages list:
Harley Reid - 1.1
Jed Walter - 1.86

PICKS 2 & 3
Colby McKercher - 3.43
Dan Curtin - 4.71
Zane Duursma - 4.86
Ryley Sanders - 6.57
Nick Watson - 6.86

Ethan Read - 7.43
Connor O'Sullivan - 9.29
Nate Caddy - 9.71
Jake Rogers - 10.86
Darcy Wilson - 12.29
Ollie Murphy - 14.29
Jordan Croft - 15.57
Caleb Windsor - 18.43
Will McCabe - 18.86 *
Riley Hardeman - 18.86 *
Koltyn Tholstrup - 20.86

PICK 19 (14) and 26 (19)...
Harry DeMattia - 21.57
James Leake - 22 **
Mitch Edwards
Archer Reid
Shoenmakers
Dawson
ZZ


Think North need to trade up, or down, to the 6-10 zone for one of the higher ranked talls. Just feels like we need to add a quality tall from Souup's Tier 3.

 

[Souup]

Twomey has Roberts reasonably high but I’m with you Only Forwards why would we go after Roberts. He gets a bit of the footy but mainly thru kick ins. What’s his weapon that helps us?

One of our biggest issues has been ball use out of defense - it's the whole reason Sheezel was shifted back there to begin with and played a majority of the season there. I hope we move Sheezel forward next year, and in order to do that, we need better ball users out of defence. Roberts would give us a reliable ball user who can run and carry. I'm not necessarily saying we draft him, but I do think rebounding defenders are high on the list of needs.

Just my perspective/opinion;

You're too low on Curtin, and too high on Duursma.

As much as I rate Sanders highly, I doubt many AFL clubs would have him in tier 2, as well.

People are going to differ and disagree on my perspectives which is totally fine - there's obviously some subjectivity that comes into it. I think Sanders ends up the most consistent player from this draft crop and has a career similar to your Michael Voss, Nathan Buckley types. He's smart, composed and clean - there's no better traits for an AFL footballer. I like Curtin but I just can't see him playing as a traditional key position at the next level, and I worry a bit about his athleticism.

 

[Psicosis]

 

[Disco Dew]

As much as I rate Sanders highly, I doubt many AFL clubs would have him in tier 2, as well.

Agreed. They’d have him tier 1.
Don’t @ me

 

[Retiredbattler]

If Harley gets picked up his parents are moving to the west with him. So his not gonna be away from his family. It’s just more so his community and mates which is a big place in his heart.

 

[hilly]

Hey Chadwikodamus, can we take your opinion on Curtin as read?

Harsh Chad has never missed any of Curtin's waffle games.

On SM-S901E using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Liam Boy]

One of our biggest issues has been ball use out of defense - it's the whole reason Sheezel was shifted back there to begin with and played a majority of the season there. I hope we move Sheezel forward next year, and in order to do that, we need better ball users out of defence. Roberts would give us a reliable ball user who can run and carry. I'm not necessarily saying we draft him, but I do think rebounding defenders are high on the list of needs.



People are going to differ and disagree on my perspectives which is totally fine - there's obviously some subjectivity that comes into it. I think Sanders ends up the most consistent player from this draft crop and has a career similar to your Michael Voss, Nathan Buckley types. He's smart, composed and clean - there's no better traits for an AFL footballer. I like Curtin but I just can't see him playing as a traditional key position at the next level, and I worry a bit about his athleticism.

Could you see Sanders being that guy in defense? He seems to have some similiar qualities to Harry Sheezel.