We need at least one HB, small forward and wingman to add pace and running capability to the side to make sure that we don't waste the midfield talent we have. I would hope we don't just focus on one player but get a suite.
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We need at least one HB, small forward and wingman to add pace and running capability to the side to make sure that we don't waste the midfield talent we have. I would hope we don't just focus on one player but get a suite.
With a midfield core of Cogs, Kelly, Green and Callaghan, plus a spine including Hogan, Taylor, Himmelberg, plus supporting players like Greene, Whitfield, Ash, Hayes ect they should be far more competitive than what they are at this stage.
Slight chance but I doubt it, especially with Port looking like a top 4 side.. I reckon Caddy goes between pick 5-15.
Still a bit to play out there with the carnival to be played, only because rankine lit it up in his draft year at the national champs where he averaged 16 disposals, 3.5 marks and 3 goals per game. Rankine also played plenty of league footy in his draft year averaging 1.5 goals and 14 possessions per game
I reckon Watson will easily match those possession numbers at the champs but may not match the goal kicking numbers, especially if he plays up the ground more.
Watson at the same age probably has a better tank and more ability to play midfield for extended periods of time. As far as dynamic movement and goal kicking prowess, they'd be pretty even, with maybe Rankine a little bit a head due to his evasiveness.
If we had to take a million dollar player off the Giants books, then it would be Whitfield - still one of the best HBF in the game, would allow Sheez to play mid/fwd, allows us to 'retire' Hall/Shiels/Howe, great player to learn off for Goater, Bergman even Perez but takes the pressure of these kids to be that Whitfield type of HBF
From the point of a rookie coming into an AFL club with familiar faces, Watson would fit in as he has played with Dury, Sheez and Wardlaw only 12 mths ago in rep footy so these boys would help him settle - he is the small, ultra clever forward we are sadly lacking and it depends on how brave we want to be picking a small forward over much taller players as out first pick!!
We need pressure, speed and smarts in the front half desperately. Then we need KPF depth. Then KPB depth then lastly both developing ruck depth and outside silk depth. So yeah, depth across the board.
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DRAFTEE IMPRESSES IN VFL HITOUT
RISING forward Nate Caddy enjoyed a strong VFL debut last week for Carlton as the imposing forward's stocks grow.
Caddy booted two goals from eight disposals for the Blues against Williamstown last Sunday in his first game at the level after playing against Carlton's VFL side the previous week for the AFL Academy.
The 193cm and 91kg forward produced some exciting moments last year as a bottom ager and returned from a broken fibula earlier this year to kick five goals in his two games in the Coates Talent League.
The nephew of two-time premiership Tiger Josh Caddy has the athleticism and grunt to impress clubs in a draft that has a number of talented talls.
"He did well and held his own. He had an interrupted pre-season and we're seeing him start to show his best form," said Knights talent manager Natalie Grindal.
"In the Academy game and last week he's competing against some really experienced players. His goalkicking has really improved this year and he's definitely strung that together."
He is among a number of Victorian talents to feature in the VFL in recent weeks during the Coates Talent League's break, including Harley Reid (Carlton VFL), Zane Duursma and Cooper Simpson (Casey Demons) and Nathan Philactides (Richmond VFL). – Callum Twomey
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RECRUITERS EYE UPCOMING CHAMPIONSHIPS
ADELAIDE recruiting manager Hamish Ogilvie believes the upcoming national under-18 championships will prove pivotal in beginning to establish the top end of a strong and even draft pool.
Recruiters have been impressed with the top talents in this year's draft crop, led by the overwhelming favourite to be selected with the No.1 pick in Bendigo Pioneers star Harley Reid.
But, speaking on AFL.com.au's trade and draft show Gettable, experienced recruiter Ogilvie said the championships will be crucial in evaluating the other prospects pushing themselves higher up the draft order.
The national carnival, which is due to begin on June 4 with South Australia's clash against the Allies, will run over six weeks and will culminate with Vic Metro taking on Vic Country at Ikon Park on July 15.
"I think it's a strong draft, particularly in some positions. Running half-backs, there seems to be a lot … maybe 10 or 15. I haven't really seen depth like that in one position in a draft," Ogilvie told Gettable.
"The top end looks good. I think (the championships) helps you sort it out. Performance against the best, the best against the best, that's what you really want to see. You'd love to see those games every week, but it's not possible. I think it's going to sort it out and it's certainly going to help us do our job a lot more clearly." – Riley Beveridge
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Are all champ game’s accessible to watchDRAFTEE IMPRESSES IN VFL HITOUT
RISING forward Nate Caddy enjoyed a strong VFL debut last week for Carlton as the imposing forward's stocks grow.
Caddy booted two goals from eight disposals for the Blues against Williamstown last Sunday in his first game at the level after playing against Carlton's VFL side the previous week for the AFL Academy.
The 193cm and 91kg forward produced some exciting moments last year as a bottom ager and returned from a broken fibula earlier this year to kick five goals in his two games in the Coates Talent League.
The nephew of two-time premiership Tiger Josh Caddy has the athleticism and grunt to impress clubs in a draft that has a number of talented talls.
"He did well and held his own. He had an interrupted pre-season and we're seeing him start to show his best form," said Knights talent manager Natalie Grindal.
"In the Academy game and last week he's competing against some really experienced players. His goalkicking has really improved this year and he's definitely strung that together."
He is among a number of Victorian talents to feature in the VFL in recent weeks during the Coates Talent League's break, including Harley Reid (Carlton VFL), Zane Duursma and Cooper Simpson (Casey Demons) and Nathan Philactides (Richmond VFL). – Callum Twomey
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RECRUITERS EYE UPCOMING CHAMPIONSHIPS
ADELAIDE recruiting manager Hamish Ogilvie believes the upcoming national under-18 championships will prove pivotal in beginning to establish the top end of a strong and even draft pool.
Recruiters have been impressed with the top talents in this year's draft crop, led by the overwhelming favourite to be selected with the No.1 pick in Bendigo Pioneers star Harley Reid.
But, speaking on AFL.com.au's trade and draft show Gettable, experienced recruiter Ogilvie said the championships will be crucial in evaluating the other prospects pushing themselves higher up the draft order.
The national carnival, which is due to begin on June 4 with South Australia's clash against the Allies, will run over six weeks and will culminate with Vic Metro taking on Vic Country at Ikon Park on July 15.
"I think it's a strong draft, particularly in some positions. Running half-backs, there seems to be a lot … maybe 10 or 15. I haven't really seen depth like that in one position in a draft," Ogilvie told Gettable.
"The top end looks good. I think (the championships) helps you sort it out. Performance against the best, the best against the best, that's what you really want to see. You'd love to see those games every week, but it's not possible. I think it's going to sort it out and it's certainly going to help us do our job a lot more clearly." – Riley Beveridge
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A valid question. The highlights I've seen suggest that his kicking is not always textbook perfection. Others who spend more time watching these kids may be able to convince me that I'm wrong.
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I wouldn’t say elite but he’s pretty good. I’m sure once he spends time in a FT environment he will become elite. You need to keep in mind that quite often at CTL where the lead or or the intended target comes from would not be the same at AFL level so this alone I think will improve his kicking.
Probably a rung below elite. He's a very good user and decision maker by foot.
Wardlaw as opposed to Sheezel?
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Interesting...gives some insight into what clubs are thinkingDRAFTEE IMPRESSES IN VFL HITOUT
RISING forward Nate Caddy enjoyed a strong VFL debut last week for Carlton as the imposing forward's stocks grow.
Caddy booted two goals from eight disposals for the Blues against Williamstown last Sunday in his first game at the level after playing against Carlton's VFL side the previous week for the AFL Academy.
The 193cm and 91kg forward produced some exciting moments last year as a bottom ager and returned from a broken fibula earlier this year to kick five goals in his two games in the Coates Talent League.
The nephew of two-time premiership Tiger Josh Caddy has the athleticism and grunt to impress clubs in a draft that has a number of talented talls.
"He did well and held his own. He had an interrupted pre-season and we're seeing him start to show his best form," said Knights talent manager Natalie Grindal.
"In the Academy game and last week he's competing against some really experienced players. His goalkicking has really improved this year and he's definitely strung that together."
He is among a number of Victorian talents to feature in the VFL in recent weeks during the Coates Talent League's break, including Harley Reid (Carlton VFL), Zane Duursma and Cooper Simpson (Casey Demons) and Nathan Philactides (Richmond VFL). – Callum Twomey
Roo keen to stay, Sun catching interest, Saint set for talks
Check out all the latest trade news from around the League
RECRUITERS EYE UPCOMING CHAMPIONSHIPS
ADELAIDE recruiting manager Hamish Ogilvie believes the upcoming national under-18 championships will prove pivotal in beginning to establish the top end of a strong and even draft pool.
Recruiters have been impressed with the top talents in this year's draft crop, led by the overwhelming favourite to be selected with the No.1 pick in Bendigo Pioneers star Harley Reid.
But, speaking on AFL.com.au's trade and draft show Gettable, experienced recruiter Ogilvie said the championships will be crucial in evaluating the other prospects pushing themselves higher up the draft order.
The national carnival, which is due to begin on June 4 with South Australia's clash against the Allies, will run over six weeks and will culminate with Vic Metro taking on Vic Country at Ikon Park on July 15.
"I think it's a strong draft, particularly in some positions. Running half-backs, there seems to be a lot … maybe 10 or 15. I haven't really seen depth like that in one position in a draft," Ogilvie told Gettable.
"The top end looks good. I think (the championships) helps you sort it out. Performance against the best, the best against the best, that's what you really want to see. You'd love to see those games every week, but it's not possible. I think it's going to sort it out and it's certainly going to help us do our job a lot more clearly." – Riley Beveridge
I wouldn’t say he is a truly elite kick. But he’d be better than average and probably in the top 15% of all the kids coming through this year. He more than makes up for it though with his decision making, ability to find/create space and his composure.
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Interesting to hear our recruiters talking about positional depth at the draft - very nfl thing because of the obvious positional structures but that’s the first real time I’ve heard a recruiter talk in that manner openly.Interesting...gives some insight into what clubs are thinking
Is that a common thing Souup?
I understand that there will always be needs drafts and people evaluate talent differently but because we can have key position guys play both ends and ruck, as well as mids that can go forward back outside or inside I’ve never really looked at the draft as a “depth chart”
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The standard in the NFL is a two-way draft board. I forget the exact terminology for it.
On the Y axis you have player tiers, and on the X axis you have positional value/need. It helps visualise the draft, because you can for example look at the column for rucks and see how many are in those first five tiers. It’s a great system for a sport without a lot of positional versatility.
It makes less sense in the AFL where the leading goal kicker in the NAB League came into the AFL and immediately put himself in contention to be an All Australian half-back. Player evaluation needs to be a lot more creative in our sport. Tarryn Thomas played a lot of his junior career as a close to goal forward, but you could almost argue that’s the worst spot for him on an AFL ground.
On the Y axis you have player tiers, and on the X axis you have positional value/need. It helps visualise the draft, because you can for example look at the column for rucks and see how many are in those first five tiers. It’s a great system for a sport without a lot of positional versatility.
It makes less sense in the AFL where the leading goal kicker in the NAB League came into the AFL and immediately put himself in contention to be an All Australian half-back. Player evaluation needs to be a lot more creative in our sport. Tarryn Thomas played a lot of his junior career as a close to goal forward, but you could almost argue that’s the worst spot for him on an AFL ground.
I appreciate the responses.
My motivation for asking is hearing these Dusty Martin comparisons. I get it from a physical standpoint and his ability to win the ball (and of course fend offs) but Dusty doesn't just win it, he does a lot with it. Whether thats on goal or field kicking.
I think the dusty comparisons mainly come from his fend off, ability to break tackles and because his first few steps are quite powerful. I don’t think his kicking is anywhere near as Powerful as Martin’s and I don’t think he has the same speed as Martin did when he was younger.
Well we need a good half back flanker or two anyway
NFL draftees are coming in as grown men (physically if not mentally in some cases) as well. They’re plug and play. Teams rely on cheap draft talent to immediately fill holes.
Our kids are coming in as 18yo’s. Alot can change between then and when they physically mature at 22-23.
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I don't see the generational talent in terms of skill re Harley based on minimal viewing.
He's exuberant and should be a very good player from that alone but don't quite see the burst run and carry or pinpoint and/or penetrating kicking normally associated with a player of that rating.
Haven't watched a huge amount though.
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Yes the professional draft reporters are a lazy bunch. Anyone with a good fend is going to be the next Dusty.
It goes in trends. There’s been a number of next Wayne Carey’s and Brent Harvey’s over the journey.
I don't mind the comparisons, it gives the 99% of us that don't see much or enough junior footy an idea of what type of players are available. It creates a bit of excitement and hope, especially for clubs picking at the top end.
They could probably use a broader range of players they compare with and not just Pendles or Dusty.
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