Review 2023 National Draft Review Thread II [McKercher, Z.Duursma, Goad, W.Dawson, Hardeman, Maley]

[perplexed]

Draft for talent. Trade, FA, DFA for need. It's not rocket science.

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Yep, and it's got us the list shambles of a list that we have today.

How do North build a premiership backline from Trade, FA and DFA? We've seen what it takes to get a FA of McKay's quality; what would a gun cost? So far we have traded in Corr, Logue and Fisher - fringe players who came to us because they couldn't get regular positions in their teams best 22. And we've picked up a couple of state league DFA's.

This is the Richmond backline when they finally broke through.

Broad Rance Grimes
Houli Astbury Vlastuin

Melbourne's

Hibberd May Lever
Bowey Petty Salem

I could go on.

We can move some of more talented players back to defense, but we are basically starting with nothing. If we would be reaching to take the best defenders at our picks, then move the picks.

 

[Masked Avenger]

Who's this U18 draft profile?

"An energetic medium forward who is strong overhead and has serious match winning capabilities"

Ans: Curtis Taylor

5

Curtis Taylor

Age

24

Ht

188cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

3.0

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

No current season stats available

D

6.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

3.0

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

.

I watched Curtis' U18 highlights - and he was all of that. He looked pretty impressive.

Rookie Me Central had him going as high as pick 10 and Twomey had him pick 23 in his phantom draft.

Twomey even described Taylor in an eerily similar fashion to what's been written about Duursma now: " classy and a clever finisher".

I know - but Duursma is more athletic at the same age, right?

Don't know because Taylor sat out the Combine testing with injury.

Duursma didn't though but you'd have to say he tested modestly - 3.05 in 20m sprint and a 6.38 2k trial.

Interestingly, in Curtis' draft year, Twomey had Duursma's brother at pick 18.

Xavier's proved to be a neat enough tweener but the knock on him he lacks the elite athletic traits of his mates - Rozee and Butters.

Time will tell with Zane, he does look skilful.

But Taylor is living proof that if you're a tweener, not a midfielder and you don't have standout athletic traits, it doesn't always translate from junior football to playing against men at the elite level.

 

[Sillygit]

Yep, and it's got us the list shambles of a list that we have today.

How do North build a premiership backline from Trade, FA and DFA? We've seen what it takes to get a FA of McKay's quality; what would a gun cost? So far we have traded in Corr, Logue and Fisher - fringe players who came to us because they couldn't get regular positions in their teams best 22. And we've picked up a couple of state league DFA's.

This is the Richmond backline when they finally broke through.

Broad Rance Grimes
Houli Astbury Vlastuin

Melbourne's

Hibberd May Lever
Bowey Petty Salem

I could go on.

We can move some of more talented players back to defense, but we are basically starting with nothing. If we would be reaching to take the best defenders at our picks, then move the picks.

Our teen picks wont be reaching. There's clearly kpd talent there. You can only move picks if there is opportunity to do so, less you want to overpay in every pick trade.

Also that richmond line up features one top ten pick (vlastuin at 9) and the majority well outside the first round. So taking a kpd with either of our 2 top 3 picks when they simply aren't that highly rated is just a waste.

 

[Swallow_Wood]

Forgive me if I'm well off the mark here, but does McKercher project as a quicker, more potent atacking version of Gaff at AFL level? Maybe not as clean as Gaff who is a neat link up winger but there seem to be positional similarities there to me.

As for Duursma, he may be a forward now but his skill set translates to a multi-positional player at AFL level. A quality user off half back early seems a likely early positional projection, then potentially someone who can be swung around as needed, be it half forward, deep forward or stints through the middle.

 

[perplexed]

Our teen picks wont be reaching. There's clearly kpd talent there. You can only move picks if there is opportunity to do so, less you want to overpay in every pick trade.

Also that richmond line up features one top ten pick (vlastuin at 9) and the majority well outside the first round. So taking a kpd with either of our 2 top 3 picks when they simply aren't that highly rated is just a waste.

Early picks are no guarantee of making it, but they are more likely to. Curtin wouldn't be reaching, but we may even be able to drop back to six and take him there. O'Sullivan and Leake look the next best, but we'd need to find a way to get into their range. Hardeman, Murphy and Dawson all look options in the late teens. If we don't take a few of these guys I'm chucking a tanty.

 

[Makeshift Park]

A quality user off half back early seems a likely early positional projection

I think he'd be a downgrade from Sheezel at this stage, Duursma's tank is average, and I'm not sure he has the elite footy IQ?

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

Yep, and it's got us the list shambles of a list that we have today.

How do North build a premiership backline from Trade, FA and DFA? We've seen what it takes to get a FA of McKay's quality; what would a gun cost? So far we have traded in Corr, Logue and Fisher - fringe players who came to us because they couldn't get regular positions in their teams best 22. And we've picked up a couple of state league DFA's.

This is the Richmond backline when they finally broke through.

Broad Rance Grimes
Houli Astbury Vlastuin

Melbourne's

Hibberd May Lever
Bowey Petty Salem

I could go on.

We can move some of more talented players back to defense, but we are basically starting with nothing. If we would be reaching to take the best defenders at our picks, then move the picks.

To be fair, North have been disinterested in slingshotting their offence since David King and Byron Pickett. We have a centre-square squad.

Richmond on the other hand ran with a comparatively weak midfield and built winning scores off the back of elite class off HB and a swathe of skilful forwards who could apply pressure and win one-on-ones.

In saying all this, we desperately need class across HB.

If we end up going Kerch and Duurs, I wouldn’t be surprised if the following backline forms over the summer:

B:Bergman Corr Fisher
HBuursma Comben Sheezel

I:McDonald
Eink, Archer

R:Xerri/CCJ LDU Wardlaw
C:Stephens Phillips Scott

I:Simpkin McKercher Shiels
E:Greenwood Goater

 

[spurs]

I can see us trading pick 18 for a future first from a club and maybe a pick 30 ish attached from them for this year.

 

[Horace]

Gee won't it be great when we get to November the 20th. This thread just reminds me of this

 

[The Y Factor]

Zurhaar, Sheezel, Thomas, Curtis, Stephenson.

Then let’s look at our KPD’s:

Corr, Logue (Cooked for 2024), Dawson, Pink (LOL).

The backline is a warzone. It continues to be ignored, and we continue to suck balls.

B. George very well thought of

 

[Passmore]

Yep, and it's got us the list shambles of a list that we have today.

How do North build a premiership backline from Trade, FA and DFA? We've seen what it takes to get a FA of McKay's quality; what would a gun cost? So far we have traded in Corr, Logue and Fisher - fringe players who came to us because they couldn't get regular positions in their teams best 22. And we've picked up a couple of state league DFA's.

This is the Richmond backline when they finally broke through.

Broad Rance Grimes
Houli Astbury Vlastuin

Melbourne's

Hibberd May Lever
Bowey Petty Salem

I could go on.

We can move some of more talented players back to defense, but we are basically starting with nothing. If we would be reaching to take the best defenders at our picks, then move the picks.

Take best available in the draft.

Melbourne's backline is 3 trades, a transplanted midfielder and transplanted forward.

Don't burn top 4 picks on needs.

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[TennisPlayerAndy]

B. George very well thought of

I didn’t consider him due to his ACL/Exploded elbow.

The others have at least show high level AFL traits.

 

[Merlin007]

Yep, and it's got us the list shambles of a list that we have today.

How do North build a premiership backline from Trade, FA and DFA? We've seen what it takes to get a FA of McKay's quality; what would a gun cost? So far we have traded in Corr, Logue and Fisher - fringe players who came to us because they couldn't get regular positions in their teams best 22. And we've picked up a couple of state league DFA's.

This is the Richmond backline when they finally broke through.

Broad Rance Grimes
Houli Astbury Vlastuin

Melbourne's

Hibberd May Lever
Bowey Petty Salem

I could go on.

We can move some of more talented players back to defense, but we are basically starting with nothing. If we would be reaching to take the best defenders at our picks, then move the picks.

traded as indicated

Broad was taken at #67; Asbury at #35; Grimes went in the pre-season draft

Petty went at #37

The only high picks taken at their 'original' clubs are Salem and Vlastuin; Rance an end of first rounder, Bowey at #21

So in summary, not much evidence from that list about using high picks according to needs

 

[Del191229]

Yep, and it's got us the list shambles of a list that we have today.

How do North build a premiership backline from Trade, FA and DFA? We've seen what it takes to get a FA of McKay's quality; what would a gun cost? So far we have traded in Corr, Logue and Fisher - fringe players who came to us because they couldn't get regular positions in their teams best 22. And we've picked up a couple of state league DFA's.

Ummm

Broad Rance Grimes
Houli Astbury Vlastuin

B: Pick 67, pick 18 (priority pick at that) and a VFL player player taken in the pre-season draft
HB: Traded in, third rounder and one top ten pick

And ..

Melbourne's

Hibberd May Lever
Bowey Petty Salem

B: Three players in
HB: Second rounder, a third rounder and one top ten pick.

What's your point caller?

Those sides both have one top ten pick each, loads of traded in players/pre-season types and plenty from later in the draft.

 

[Del191229]

traded as indicated

Broad was taken at #67; Asbury at #35; Grimes went in the pre-season draft

Petty went at #37

The only high picks taken at their 'original' clubs are Salem and Vlastuin; Rance an end of first rounder, Bowey at #21

So in summary, not much evidence from that list about using high picks according to needs

Yeah, perplexing post.

If Pink and/or Biggie can become rock solid best 22 defenders, its a huge win. I reckon Pink the more likely candidate there, although I have hoped for Biggie too.

 

[DunderHead]

To be fair, North have been disinterested in slingshotting their offence since David King and Byron Pickett. We have a centre-square squad.

Richmond on the other hand ran with a comparatively weak midfield and built winning scores off the back of elite class off HB and a swathe of skilful forwards who could apply pressure and win one-on-ones.

In saying all this, we desperately need class across HB.

If we end up going Kerch and Duurs, I wouldn’t be surprised if the following backline forms over the summer:

B:Bergman Corr Fisher
HBuursma Comben Sheezel

I:McDonald
Eink, Archer

R:Xerri/CCJ LDU Wardlaw
C:Stephens Phillips Scott

I:Simpkin McKercher Shiels
E:Greenwood Goater

Has Duursma played any backline? McKercher has. I think we’re more likely to see McKercher and Fisher adding significant run to the backline. But Duursma does have a bit of Sicily about him - lacks the agro which long term would rule him out of that position.

Duursma to be used HFF and Wing? Adding run/spread from those areas of the ground. Stephens will help in this area too.

These four players will instantly make us a more dangerous, attacking team and hopefully also able to run defensively adding pressure all over the ground

 

[the big lebowski]

Who's this U18 draft profile?

"An energetic medium forward who is strong overhead and has serious match winning capabilities"

Ans: Curtis Taylor.

I watched Curtis' U18 highlights - and he was all of that. He looked pretty impressive.

Rookie Me Central had him going as high as pick 10 and Twomey had him pick 23 in his phantom draft.

Twomey even described Taylor in an eerily similar fashion to what's been written about Duursma now: " classy and a clever finisher".

I know - but Duursma is more athletic at the same age, right?

Don't know because Taylor sat out the Combine testing with injury.

Duursma didn't though but you'd have to say he tested modestly - 3.05 in 20m sprint and a 6.38 2k trial.

Interestingly, in Curtis' draft year, Twomey had Duursma's brother at pick 18.

Xavier's proved to be a neat enough tweener but the knock on him he lacks the elite athletic traits of his mates - Rozee and Butters.

Time will tell with Zane, he does look skilful.

But Taylor is living proof that if you're a tweener, not a midfielder and you don't have standout athletic traits, it doesn't always translate from junior football to playing against men at the elite level.

1.2 goal a game average for Taylor vs 2.8 for Dursma

 

[DunderHead]

1.2 goal a game average for Taylor vs 2.8 for Dursma

He’s also the number one guy. I assume that means he’s delivered despite getting a lot of attention from opposition teams

 

[DocSholl]

Guaranteed that people have a subconscious bias against Duursma because his brother is a massive spud

 

[the big lebowski]

He’s also the number one guy. I assume that means he’s delivered despite getting a lot of attention from opposition teams

He’s had 3 years of Coates league kicking goals for fun. His 2.8 per game this year would have been impacted by some midfield time, particularly early in the year. With regard to being the main man, yes, undoubtedly, but he also had archer Reid up there kicking 1.5 goals a game.

Like others, I’m not sold on him for us. But he’s a great talent, good at everything other than endurance and on paper/junior career, leagues ahead of what we have forward now.

 

[DunderHead]

Guaranteed that people have a subconscious bias against Duursma because his brother is a massive spud

Plays like Fritsch - maybe a bit more involved up the ground?

 

[apollo_creed]

Guaranteed that people have a subconscious bias against Duursma because his brother is a massive spud

His brother isn’t a massive ‘spud’. Think that’s a bit harsh. We probably have many worse players on our list.

 

[hellas_johnny]

Heard we might also be interested in will Dawson tall utility. Played both ends of the field this season and also had stints in the ruck aswell

 

[r_boy]

I reckon we will be very open to live trading our picks in the teens this year.

Could easily use them to try and jump on a top 10 slider or do the opposite and trade them out for an overs F1 from next year or something.

 

[the big lebowski]

Heard we might also be interested in will Dawson tall utility. Played both ends of the field this season and also had stints in the ruck aswell

Wil Dawson and archer reid at 17 and 18 for me please