Review 2023 National Draft Review Thread II [McKercher, Z.Duursma, Goad, W.Dawson, Hardeman, Maley]

[Tas]

a chance neither, but pls it’s the wiz none of this Farquhar s**t
Curtin sounds a decent chance

 

[Ichiro #51]

**** me the afl website is rolled pal-turd dogshit. For me, the only site on the entire internet that struggles to load, has repeated issues and just generally farkin sarks to interact with.

 

[King Hansen]

Damn. Curtin must be pretty shit if he slides that much.

Even DGB when top 5.

 

[My Left Foote]

The outside / inside mid with speed is a need so tick with 3.

Duursma falls into the best at 4, and if that is him, fine with it. Also think the mid sized forward line will be a thing.

De Mattia is a funny one, not a need unless they move him back ....

Which is hy Hardeman is perfect, a definite need,

Edwards also ticks the ruckman box.

Only a KP defender and small forward is missing, although you could mount an argument they are preferring the Duursma type. Collard instead of De Mattie would give us 4/5 of the key needs.

Agree Collard or Phoenix Gothard instead of DeMattia. Could also take Hardeman at 20 and Wil Dawson at 22 solves the KPD issue.

 

[Flawed Genius]

I'm convinced that if Curtin is sliding that far we are trying to trade up to get him as well.

McKercher
Duursma
Curtin

 

[Tas]

No more Phoenixes.

 

[My Left Foote]

The other names linked:

If not him? Charlie Edwards would be in the mix if he's available here as may Darcy Wilson. Or could they take a shot at Lance Collard's excitement with one of their three picks in the back end of the first round?

If not him? Phoenix Gothard has been linked and could be around this part of the draft if he's still available, while long-kicking backman Arie Schoenmaker has also been raised as an option.

If not him? Other rucks in the range include Will Green and Taylor Goad, while the Roos have also been linked to tall defender Wil Dawson.

Would be happy with Darcy Wilson or Lance Collard. Same for Phoenix Gothard, Taylor Goad or Wil Dawson.

 

[Makeshift Park]

I'm convinced that if Curtin is sliding that far we are trying to trade up to get him as well.

McKercher
Duursma
Curtin

In reality, WC would never let him slide that far. Its just that phantom drafts that incorporate future pick swaps are close to impossible.

 

[My Left Foote]

No more Phoenixes.

They’re rising.

 

[Twangler]

I'm convinced that if Curtin is sliding that far we are trying to trade up to get him as well.

McKercher
Duursma
Curtin

If so we’d need to offer up a F1 in addition to a teens pick to outbid the eagles. That would certainly be bold but not sure about wise.

 

[speedy]

If Dawson or A.Reid make it through to the second round, do we trade our f2 to grab them? The problem is I don’t see a suitor for the pick swap?

 

[kool kangas]

If so we’d need to offer up a F1 in addition to a teens pick to outbid the eagles. That would certainly be bold but not sure about wise.

If we offer our F1st to the Dees then we would also need their pick #11 to be part of a deal. maybe F1st and 18 for 6 and 11...Then we would end up with 2,3,6,11,15 and 17....Then maybe look at combining some of our later picks for either GWS pick7 or Cats pick8.

West Toast can offer their F1 ,#23 and #37 towards getting the Dees pick#6 and #11
North can offer their F1, #15, #17, #18 towards getting the Dees pick #6 and #11

l wonder who has the better offer....

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Colby McKercher​

POS: Midfielder
Ht 182cm, Wt 76kg, DOB 12/4/05
From Tasmania/Launceston/Allies


The outside-inside mix that McKercher brings to the table as a young midfield star is ultra appealing to clubs. His speed and breakaway run from stoppages has been on show through his draft season in all teams he played for, and the left-footer's kicking skills are a level above. He was a gun for the Allies in their championships win and was a joint winner of the Morrish Medal as the best player in the Coates Talent League. North Melbourne has built from the midfield out but McKercher adds something different to the mix, with the 18-year-old strongly linked to the Roos with one of their top-three picks.


If not him? The Kangaroos could well place a bid on Suns Academy player Jed Walter here. Otherwise, they could swap and take Zane Duursma first.

Jed Walter (matching North Melbourne's bid)​

POS: Key forward
Ht 194cm, Wt 97kg, DOB 8/6/05
From Gold Coast Academy/Palm Beach/Allies


The Suns have been excited for several years about Walter, their Academy product who has risen through the junior ranks to be a gun draft talent. Walter is a tough, tenacious, pack-crashing key forward who causes nightmares for opponents with his aggressive approach. Get in his way and you'll find out. And take too long with the ball and you'll soon hear him coming, because he also loves to tackle and chase. He is a back-to-back under-18 All-Australian key forward and he had some dominant games this season. Will form an exciting forward partnership with Ben King at the Suns.


If not him? The Suns have done all their work to match a bid for Walter and their three other Academy prospects by collating plenty of picks and points. North could bid at No.2 but the Hawks, at the latest, seems to be where the bid would come for Walter.

Zane Duursma​

POS: Midfielder/forward
Ht 189cm, Wt 80kg, DOB 28/8/05
From Gippsland Power/Vic Country


The prospect with the highlights reel that will make you go 'wow'. Duursma is all class and polish and he can do it all over the ground. He's an established goalkicker – 31 goals last year for the Gippsland Power and 33 this season – and hits the scoreboard in a heap of ways. He's arguably the best contested mark in the draft and he flies for his grabs and he also played in the midfield for Vic Country at the carnival as well before his four-goal game against Vic Metro. The Kangaroos have been linked to Duursma and as a forward/midfielder again he presents as a different player in their mix.


If not him? The Roos have been set on their top group for some time. This pick was thrown into a package to get up to pick No.1 but that didn't materialise. Dan Curtin has been well in the mix through the year and he seems the other alternative, with coach Alastair Clarkson to meet Curtin in Perth this weekend. Small forward Nick Watson has also been considered.

Harry DeMattia​

POS: Midfielder/forward
Ht 184cm, Wt 77kg, DOB 11/9/05
From Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country


DeMattia's ability to play in a range of different spots is appealing to clubs, with North Melbourne among the suitors. The midfielder/forward spent most of his time in those parts of the ground this season, including when he was co-captain of Vic Country at the under-18 championships. But clubs also think he could use his genuine speed (he clocked a 2.92-second 20-metre sprint earlier in the year) to be a small backman too. The Kangaroos could look at a range of different types with these picks given the likely additions of Colby McKercher and Zane Duursma at the top.


If not him? Charlie Edwards would be in the mix if he's available here as may Darcy Wilson. Or could they take a shot at Lance Collard's excitement with one of their three picks in the back end of the first round?

Riley Hardeman​

POS: Defender
Ht 185cm, Wt 75kg, DOB 27/2/05
From Swan Districts/Western Australia


North could look at bringing in some half-back dash with Hardeman, a left-footed medium defender who breaks the lines with his kicking and can jump in and chop off forward forays. Athletically he is strong and performed well at the recent Draft Combine and he also skippered Western Australia at this year's under-18 carnival. The Roos have looked at Hardeman in this part of the draft and he is likely to be considered to bolster their half-back line.


If not him? Phoenix Gothard has been linked and could be around this part of the draft if he's still available, while long-kicking backman Arie Schoenmaker has also been raised as an option.

Mitchell Edwards​

POS: Ruckman
Ht 206cm, Wt 88kg, DOB 2/6/05
From Peel Thunder/Western Australia


Will the Roos go tall with one of their three picks at the latter stages of the first round? Edwards has been among the group of impressive rucks to be tracked through this year, with the 206cm big man having two years with Western Australia's under-18s program. He is tied to Fremantle's Next Generation Academy program but the Dockers can't match a bid on him until after pick No.40 under NGA rules.


If not him? Other rucks in the range include Will Green and Taylor Goad, while the Roos have also been linked to tall defender Wil Dawson.

Picks: 2, 3, 15, 17, 18, 57 (likely to use five or six selections)

With five picks in the first round, the Kangaroos are poised to be massive winners from the opening night of the draft. North has had three attempts at trading for the No.1 pick with West Coast and secure Harley Reid to no avail, having been keen to protect its future hand as well as keep selections at the top this year. They have also tried to bundle some of their later first-round picks to shift up the order and will remain in the mix for that on draft night as well, with the Roos having discussed Sydney's pick 12. The club could take a sixth selection later on or hold over the list spot. Depending what comes through the door early on, a ruck option like Gippsland's Lachie Smith could be worth considering, while medium defender Oscar Ryan is another who could be worth a look.

Why would we pick Walter as our second and give GC a discount?
Make those campaigners pay for their bag of academy picks.

Also, picking up a bloke called "Phoenix Gothard" would be pretty funny after delisting Phoenix Spicer for not going hard enough.

 

[ToxicMegaPunts]

Surely Harry DeMattia is not a need for us

Correct, we already have a Harry!

 

[Recently retired]

If we offer our F1st to the Dees then we would also need their pick #11 to be part of a deal. maybe F1st and 18 for 6 and 11...Then we would end up with 2,3,6,11,15 and 17....Then maybe look at combining some of our later picks for either GWS pick7 or Cats pick8.

The club might even look to use 15 and/or 17 to get back into next year's 1st round if we've given up our F1. Picks 2, 3, 6, 11 & 57 are more than adequate for one draft, might be wise to plan for next year at that point if there was a decent trade available.

 

[kool kangas]

The club might even look to use 15 and/or 17 to get back into next year's 1st round if we've given up our F1. Picks 2, 3, 6, 11 & 57 are more than adequate for one draft, might be wise to plan for next year at that point if there was a decent trade available.

Agree but l'm greedy...

 

[Mixed Results]

I'm sure Twomey's mail is as good as ever, but I think we end up seeing trades for Curtin and Wilson that throw off his entire order. The 7-12 stretch of his draft just seems completely off with Curtin making it to 10, and the flow-on effect of Sydney passing on Wilson also throws off the back end of his first round.

There's some late word of Adelaide being the team for Curtin. Twomey has also mentioned it, and I think it makes a ton of sense.

In the North and Sydney portions of his whispers section, he mentions the potential for us moving up to 12, and then also links us to Darcy Wilson when discussing our pick 20.

Using Twomey's mail, but including trades, I can see the following:

1. WC - Reid
2. NM - McKercher
3. NM - Duursma
4. HAW - Watson
5. WB - Sanders
6. MEL - Windsor
7. ADE (From GWS) - Curtin
8. GEE - Caddy
9. ESS - Leake
10. GWS (From ADE) - O'Sullivan
11. MEL - Tholstrup
12. NM (From SYD) - Wilson
13. STK - DeMattia
14. GWS (From ADE) - C. Edwards

If it went this way, I'd have no idea who we'd take at 15. It sounds like it'd be either Hardeman, Gothard, Collard, Dawson, or one of the rucks.

 

[ferball]

Why would we pick Walter as our second and give GC a discount?
Make those campaigners pay for their bag of academy picks.

Also, picking up a bloke called "Phoenix Gothard" would be pretty funny after delisting Phoenix Spicer for not going hard enough.

Do it for DPs sigline!!

 

[Recently retired]

Agree but l'm greedy...

I can understand that! Fremantle would be keen to get a couple of WA kids ahead of WCE, could do 15 & 17 for Port's F1 and either 34 or F2. Another death ride could be fun

 

[Rod Stroker]

So how acurate is the Carl Twomey normally?

Not a huge fan of his work tbh

his top 10 has been very accurate in recent years

 

[remfan101]

I'm sure Twomey's mail is as good as ever, but I think we end up seeing trades for Curtin and Wilson that throw off his entire order. The 7-12 stretch of his draft just seems completely off with Curtin making it to 10, and the flow-on effect of Sydney passing on Wilson also throws off the back end of his first round.

There's some late word of Adelaide being the team for Curtin. Twomey has also mentioned it, and I think it makes a ton of sense.

In the North and Sydney portions of his whispers section, he mentions the potential for us moving up to 12, and then also links us to Darcy Wilson when discussing our pick 20.

Using Twomey's mail, but including trades, I can see the following:

1. WC - Reid
2. NM - McKercher
3. NM - Duursma
4. HAW - Watson
5. WB - Sanders
6. MEL - Windsor
7. ADE (From GWS) - Curtin
8. GEE - Caddy
9. ESS - Leake
10. GWS (From ADE) - O'Sullivan
11. MEL - Tholstrup
12. NM (From SYD) - Wilson
13. STK - DeMattia
14. GWS (From ADE) - C. Edwards

If it went this way, I'd have no idea who we'd take at 15. It sounds like it'd be either Hardeman, Gothard, Collard, Dawson, or one of the rucks.

Reckon we’d take Will Green, then try to trade back in with a future 2nd for Collard/Hardeman/Dawson

 

[speedy]

Surely Harry DeMattia is not a need for us

Lock down defender or pressure forward who will run up and down the ground all day?
“forward pressure” was a very specific need to let out of the bag by Thursfield. Collard is the sexier option to fill the need, but maybe the go home factor has spooked us?

 

[King Corey]

Agree with all except this - Cyril as starry as a winter night in the bush, Hodge a supertar, Roughy too.

They all came to mind but for mine Buddy was the only in that Carey, Ablett, Dusty et al sphere for mine.

Others were very good players but ably assisted by system. Matters of opinion of course.

 

[Samsquanch]

Dan Curtin = The matches the carpet.

I heard that polished floorboards are more fasionable these days SpiderB.

 

[The Nostradamus]

I'm sure Twomey's mail is as good as ever, but I think we end up seeing trades for Curtin and Wilson that throw off his entire order. The 7-12 stretch of his draft just seems completely off with Curtin making it to 10, and the flow-on effect of Sydney passing on Wilson also throws off the back end of his first round.

There's some late word of Adelaide being the team for Curtin. Twomey has also mentioned it, and I think it makes a ton of sense.

In the North and Sydney portions of his whispers section, he mentions the potential for us moving up to 12, and then also links us to Darcy Wilson when discussing our pick 20.

Using Twomey's mail, but including trades, I can see the following:

1. WC - Reid
2. NM - McKercher
3. NM - Duursma
4. HAW - Watson
5. WB - Sanders
6. MEL - Windsor
7. ADE (From GWS) - Curtin
8. GEE - Caddy
9. ESS - Leake
10. GWS (From ADE) - O'Sullivan
11. MEL - Tholstrup
12. NM (From SYD) - Wilson
13. STK - DeMattia
14. GWS (From ADE) - C. Edwards

If it went this way, I'd have no idea who we'd take at 15. It sounds like it'd be either Hardeman, Gothard, Collard, Dawson, or one of the rucks.

Cats pick 8 will also be up for grabs on the night

We need to be ready to pounce on it