Autopsy 2023 Rd 6 Misfiring Blues drop their bundle again

[BlueTang]

Can someone who knows how to check stats, see how many ruck contests Harry has won in the last 3 years. Everytime I see him in there I think he loses, would love to see his career Win/Loss record

 

[The Toad]

I just want the Club to concentrate on football first and foremost.
All these other ancillary programs we have running whilst good intentioned, do nothing for our on field performance.
I believe one of the traits the club wishes to be known as is humble….* that, I want us to become a ruthless, hard arsed organisation. I want us to be feared again. We have transitioned to far from what made us a successful club in the past.
Nice guys don’t win anything.

This is the best post bar none.

 

[Accidental genius]

Voss should try something unique and shake s**t up. He coaches safe. Selects safe. Comments safe.

I think he knows what we all know…..he’s just not that sharp.

coaches are under a lot of pressure...cant afford not to be sharp. things are constantly changing so you have to keep inventing something. same old same old wont work.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

with the exception of Sam Walsh , exclusively)

Kennedy will put his head over the pill and wear a big hit

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Baileys Espresso Creme Liqueur is YUM.


Now get back in your pond

Cocktails or creative shots?

 

[Just Kreuzing]

good point

So by extention, we have nothing in reserve for these players?

Of course we do but they are often injured as well....

 

[windows1]

coaches are under a lot of pressure...cant afford not to be sharp. things are constantly changing so you have to keep inventing something. same old same old wont work.

I believe our only hope was a great run with injury. Because the coach(es) can’t get anything out of the ordinary to happen like some other coaches can.

 

[blues4flag]

Most frustrating thing about losing today is that Ross was itching to come to Carlton, and we turned him down. Arrogance of the highest order.

I was categorical at the time that I'd select him even before Clarko, and nothing I've seen has changed my mind. A systems coach who instructs with absolute clarity and gets the best of his players. We preach next man up but has there ever been a coach who's lived that mantra more than Ross?

The past is the past and that boat has sailed. We've got Voss and there's nobody else that I'd be moving him on for atm.

Very disappointed with the Honey selection, and he performed as expected. The invisible man. If anybody saw an idiot with binoculars in the Carltonians, that was me looking for Honey. Nowhere to be seen until the game was done with 5 minutes left.

Selection integrity is shot. Nobody worried about losing their spots in this side unless it's one of the same two or three players that get rotated through. Dominating in the 2s doesn't get you a look in. It's something that needs to change immediately or we risk destroying the culture of the club. We've got weaknesses, the mix isn't working, reward effort and hard work and make players accountable.

That aside, we lack a truly damaging 3rd talls. As good as Curnow and Harry are, the quality drops off a cliff after those two and there's nobody threatening. SOS tries but he's unreliable in front of goal, not a great contested mark and far too easy to defend against. Desperately need another threat in the forward line to punish teams for being too Harry/Curnow focused.

 

[thebluenewdeal]

I like Voss, but his presser was the same old crap about us not being a finished product. That’s what Teague said (“we didn’t finish our work”). That’s what Bolton said (“green shoots”).

We’ve now flogged that donkey to the point it’s no longer donkey shaped.


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he said a bit more than that… seems like the players aren’t adhering to what he’s asking.

 

[HarryFlashman]

The concern is the game plan if we don’t win the contested ball. We have no run, we don’t ever go through the corridor. Our switches are so slow. And our forward line is too crowded. Our players don’t spread. We hardly ever make that kick that breaks open the game. There is limited forward handballs. We haven’t adapted to the modern game. Something has to change

We won heaps of contested ball, just doesn’t help when there’s no over lap run, spread or movement.
Game plan is trash - the “system” doesn’t work.

 

[RAPPA]

he said a bit more than that… seems like the players aren’t adhering to what he’s asking.

Well, if he's lost the players or the players aren't understanding the message, after a whole preseason, then that's very concerning.

 

[Fridge42]

Been away all week so didn't get to watch the game but listened to it on the radio while driving.

Sounded like we were what we have been, quite a fair way off the pace, playing bland, boring football.

They kept saying how we just always go wide, take no ground (usually go backwards) and invite the opposition to set up. Then bomb it fwd and hit and hope. Steve J was going nuts when we needed to play attacking footy with a wtr to go to try and win and we would kick it sidewards.

There is no dare to move the ball quickly or attacking. We won't get far playing like this. Club won't drop players who need to be dropped and they'll get an easy kill against the Eagles and think their s**t doesn't stink.

Honey, how is he even on the list, let along getting a game? LOB, how does he keep getting a game as sub, he is useless? Fisher has been terrible, still the same player he was 5 years ago. Same blokes who just don't improve at all, we have about 10+ of them on our list who need lift a hell of a lot of need to be let go.

Then you look at the stats and see we had so much of the ball....6 or 7 with 30+ touches and lost easily.....accumulators who didn't impact, would rather they get less and do more with it rather than chip it sidewards and accumulate

Hewitt had 29 possessions and gained 30m.

Everyone gets possessions when you take 4min to get it from one end to the other.

Abysmal

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Most frustrating thing about losing today is that Ross was itching to come to Carlton, and we turned him down. Arrogance of the highest order.

I was categorical at the time that I'd select him even before Clarko, and nothing I've seen has changed my mind. A systems coach who instructs with absolute clarity and gets the best of his players. We preach next man up but has there ever been a coach who's lived that mantra more than Ross?

The past is the past and that boat has sailed. We've got Voss and there's nobody else that I'd be moving him on for atm.

Very disappointed with the Honey selection, and he performed as expected. The invisible man. If anybody saw an idiot with binoculars in the Carltonians, that was me looking for Honey. Nowhere to be seen until the game was done with 5 minutes left.

Selection integrity is shot. Nobody worried about losing their spots in this side unless it's one of the same two or three players that get rotated through. Dominating in the 2s doesn't get you a look in. It's something that needs to change immediately or we risk destroying the culture of the club. We've got weaknesses, the mix isn't working, reward effort and hard work and make players accountable.

That aside, we lack a truly damaging 3rd talls. As good as Curnow and Harry are, the quality drops off a cliff after those two and there's nobody threatening. SOS tries but he's unreliable in front of goal, not a great contested mark and far too easy to defend against. Desperately need another threat in the forward line to punish teams for being too Harry/Curnow focused.

Agree, need more talent around Charlie & Harry, not only do our other 3/4 forward options not deliver on a consistent basis they also cannot push into the midfield and give a chop out there !!

 

[Curnowisagun]

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I take it Voss didn’t read this during the week.

Our coaching staff are a laughing stock.

No opposition coach even needs to watch our games anymore because they know what we are going to do.

Voss is either incapable or change or too stubborn.

Either way he is our biggest issue atm.

It was so obvious at the game that the majority of their transition was to run along each boundary. The 'marvel seating' side in the second half and the other side in first half. We had no plan to stop their transition and counter attacking gameplan. Did not even look like we tried anything other to kick it deeper inside 50 or bomb in long out of defense to try move the ball quicker, both options that took us out of the contest. They sat back, flooded the 50 and waited to defend the obvious long bomb which is seemingly our only plan going forward. We have two of the best tall forwards in the comp and we want to continue to bomb it on top of their heads....super lazy and predictable. Frustrating to watch.

 

[Mondyboy]

he said a bit more than that… seems like the players aren’t adhering to what he’s asking.

Yes. It went for 9 minutes. And at one point he got cranky at having to repeat himself. But I’ve heard him talk about the phases not connecting for weeks now. And yet… we see no change. It all amounts to his mantra: we are not the finished product.


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[btdg]

There is absolutely no doubt the game plan from our coaching team this year is a major step backwards.

This has been evident in every game, slow risk free possession allowing the opposition to get numbers back in every game.

Too many players continue to be gifted games for non performance whilst Dow clearly on the outer has been a solid consistent performer for a long period, give him 4 games at senior level to see he has addressed weaknesses at this level.

The game plan needs to be overhauled, we will not win more than 10 games kicking 60-80 points a game.

They seem to have got a bit caught up in the defensive structure, rather than figuring out what we do best and going all in on it.

You could see signs early last year even when we were winning, as they talked about needing to defend leads better, etc. That translated (often) to putting a spare behind the ball, which has messed with our ball movement. But even beyond that, they seem to be locked into pretty rigid thinking about what we need to do to defend teams.

In particular, they seem rigid about what 'type' of players should be in the 22, regardless of personnel available. Silvagni is a walk-up start as the third tall/ruck regardless of output (he was decent today, aside from goalkicking). Then there's a desperate need to play 3 small forwards for 'speed'. In the backline, Williams out means a direct replacement in Cowan. When McGovern is out it is Plowman. Saad = Cincotta. It's always 'like for like.

But you know what is quicker defensively than having the speed of Honey? Being in possession of the football so the other team can't score. Kicking goals and putting scoreboard pressure on the other team. You know what helps keep forward pressure better than being able to rotate the small forwards? Kicking goals, giving a quick rest to the guys who are doing well, and maybe a little adrenaline burst for the goal scorer.

And god knows what is going on with the sub, but they seem to be locked into 'the sub must be an outside runner becuase this will help us run out the games'. Except this hasn't worked at all... and O'Brien is just stagnating (and looks disinterested most of the time). Why we're doing that rather than rotating through some young guys who might bring a bit of energy and zest is just beyond me.

I thought we started right today, beat them up at contests. But even then we barely push forward, and certianly not with the aggression and enthusiasm that teams like Collingwood do.

We have to start next week with a view that against West Coast we should be kicking 120-130 points minimum if we are playing well and beating them 'properly'. That means finding 20-odd goals, figuring out what that looks like (hint: we aren't kicking 20 goals against anyone if the plan is 'bomb it to McKay/Curnow AND 3 others and hope to get free kicks), and working backwards from there.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Hewitt had 29 possessions and gained 30m.

Everyone gets possessions when you take 4min to get it from one end to the other.

Abysmal

Saints allowed our mids to get possessions, they know all they have to do is crowd Charlie & Harry and dare us to either risk kicking through the zone or bomb long to an outnumbered situation.

 

[Bluebleeder]

We're the team that never lets you down !!! What bull**** !!
Coaching team and game plan possibly the worst in the AFL so predicable going forward - take the game on and
have a crack !!!
Pathetic !!

 

[Blue By Blood]

Voss should try something unique and shake s**t up. He coaches safe. Selects safe. Comments safe.

I think he knows what we all know…..he’s just not that sharp.

I said the same last week. He’s way too conservative and safe. Gov goes down and he brings in Plowman rather than the younger guy with more upside in Kemp. He wouldn’t trust Cincotta last week so he brings in Kennedy and shoehorns him into an unfamiliar role down back. Only brings Cincotta in this week once it became practically forced with Saad being out. He won’t bring in guys banging the door down with continual strong performances. If we get an injury he’ll bring in like-for-like position wise even if that players form hasn’t warranted it. Form needs to be rewarded. Standards need to be set. Bad habits need to be eradicated.

I remember after Rd 1 all the footy shows were showing vision of how we would chip sideways and not take the game on. We’re now 6 rounds in and he’s not made the change. We keep failing to move the ball with any pace or system. He just keeps rolling out the chestnut ‘we have to execute better’. The warning signs were there after the Tigers game but many got hoodwinked by the unimpressive wins against GWS and North. The Geelong game we got them at the perfect time.

 

[thebluenewdeal]

It was so obvious at the game that the majority of their transition was to run along each boundary. The 'marvel seating' side in the second half and the other side in first half. We had no plan to stop their transition and counter attacking gameplan. Did not even look like we tried anything other to kick it deeper inside 50 or bomb in long out of defense to try move the ball quicker, both options that took us out of the contest. They sat back, flooded the 50 and waited to defend the obvious long bomb which is seemingly our only plan going forward. We have two of the best tall forwards in the comp and we want to continue to bomb it on top of their heads....super lazy and predictable. Frustrating to watch.

You haven’t seen the saints this year then. They flood against everybody.

 

[Accidental genius]

cant believe it but its likely we are heading for another coaching change......i can just see it happening. they'll probably hand it over to hansen for a while

 

[myblueroan]

he said a bit more than that… seems like the players aren’t adhering to what he’s asking.

I think the players should launch a full scale rebellion.
Ooh let's kick it back a nd forward aceoss the defence line until someone misses and then oppo score a goal.

 

[The Toad]

Most frustrating thing about losing today is that Ross was itching to come to Carlton, and we turned him down. Arrogance of the highest order.

I was categorical at the time that I'd select him even before Clarko, and nothing I've seen has changed my mind. A systems coach who instructs with absolute clarity and gets the best of his players. We preach next man up but has there ever been a coach who's lived that mantra more than Ross?

The past is the past and that boat has sailed. We've got Voss and there's nobody else that I'd be moving him on for atm.

Very disappointed with the Honey selection, and he performed as expected. The invisible man. If anybody saw an idiot with binoculars in the Carltonians, that was me looking for Honey. Nowhere to be seen until the game was done with 5 minutes left.

Selection integrity is shot. Nobody worried about losing their spots in this side unless it's one of the same two or three players that get rotated through. Dominating in the 2s doesn't get you a look in. It's something that needs to change immediately or we risk destroying the culture of the club. We've got weaknesses, the mix isn't working, reward effort and hard work and make players accountable.

That aside, we lack a truly damaging 3rd talls. As good as Curnow and Harry are, the quality drops off a cliff after those two and there's nobody threatening. SOS tries but he's unreliable in front of goal, not a great contested mark and far too easy to defend against. Desperately need another threat in the forward line to punish teams for being too Harry/Curnow focused.

I'm sorry that's not correct. Our soon to be President may have mentioned to Ross that he had the job, when he was actually elected as pres he said this to the board and they said, I'm sorry but we have to do our due diligence and be seen to do the right thing and go through the proper selection process.
So tell me who the real arrogance lie with???

 

[HarryFlashman]

he said a bit more than that… seems like the players aren’t adhering to what he’s asking.

The players know what he is asking is shit, u can see the doubt & lack of belief all over the ground

 

[thebluenewdeal]

Well, if he's lost the players or the players aren't understanding the message, after a whole preseason, then that's very concerning.

Maybe they just aren’t capable of playing modern football…