Autopsy 2023 Round 1 DRAW. Ugly Blues still can't close out games

[Gethelred]

So much for Doc.

This goal ... Rnd 1 2022 MK11

The best bit about it was Brian Taylor saying:
"To the top of the square"
Doc kicks it, he sees he's gone for it:
"Don't think he's got the distance from here!"
"Given it a good hoof though!"

What an idiot. From absolutely certain to dead wrong in under 5 seconds.

 

[Faz 2000]

For those still sorting through exactly what happened in the LOB/Harry moment in the dying stages, I've taken the liberty of repurposing an old diagram which might help...

 

[Aphrodite]

The best bit about it was Brian Taylor saying:
"To the top of the square"
Doc kicks it, he sees he's gone for it:
"Don't think he's got the distance from here!"
"Given it a good hoof though!"

What an idiot. From absolutely certain to dead wrong in under 5 seconds.

BT

 

[Gethelred]

For those still sorting through exactly what happened in the LOB/Harry moment in the dying stages, I've taken the liberty of repurposing an old diagram which might help...

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So what you're saying is, Dusty shot JFK?

 

[Burgers45]

Watching DeKonig take some important marks made me wonder what would have been had he played in the last game v Collingwood last year.

With three other rucks on our list (Pitts, Mirks, & O'keefe, how would TDK go if tried in defence? (His brother at Geelong is a natural defender), Tom could be massive in that KPD position. (It's easier to mark and continue forward momentum from defence, than mark and have to turn as a forward.) Although I concede, if the club wanted to try him there, they would have tried him in that position in the practice matches.

 

[My Hat]

Luke Hodge talked about it after the game - how Carlton went forward is exactly what Richmond would have wanted. Speed on the ball, stretch the field, leave gaps they can take advantage of and launch a fast rebound. The only thing they perhaps would've changed is someone bodying McKay as that almost cost them, but aside from that that's exactly the play they wanted from us in that situation.

Seems a bit much to say they would have actively wanted it. It's high risk for them as well. If we don't mess up (e.g. H keeps his feet) or they're the ones that mess up (e.g. by giving away a free kick to H) or if luck goes a different way (e.g. H grabs it despite falling over) then the game is done.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Easy to see why Voss was so furious about the Cuners incident. Imagine a high HF who can create scores and win his own footy out there last night.

Just hope he keeps rotating players through HF until something clicks.
Next up Kemp (a bit tall, but fast, couldn't be any less effective than Martin and Fish)
Give Dow a go, changing with Kennedy through the midfield.
Our small/medium forwards have been bog ordinary for a long time, what have we got to lose?
Nobody is a 'lock' until they've earnt it.

 

[Aphrodite]

Just saw this on Twitter (Luke Mitchell

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'Red area is new grass after Ed Sheeran concert. Harry slips on corner of new grass'

Interesting ...

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

I thought he was great! Imagine he held onto two of his dropped marks, or one touched a couple of his fumbles. Finishes with 25 and likely 650-700MG given how well he kicks it.

His crunching tackle on Dusty set the tone and took away his confidence immediately I reckon.

Cracker of a tackle…

 

[Blue since 72]

Observations:

Scrappy and nervous from both sides, game never got away from us though so were always in with a chance.

Don’t think our mid/forward game ever really got going, credit to the Tigers defence and credit to ours who stood up under siege the other way.

Players that stood out to me:

Fisher strong early then disappeared.

Harry and Mots; not sure I like them getting so far up the ground tbh.

Given the errors on both sides thought Gov and Saad did well, Doc was awesome Young was good too and Weiters worked hard all night although not at his best.

Martin virtually unsighted (again). How does a guy with that talent not even get looks at the goal?

George and Cez were great, Matty K quieter and Crippa although I think it happened only once has just got to stop trying to take the entire opposition on.

New boys: Hollands running power is insane, going to be a great get. Mistakes expected. Cowan did some nice things balanced by a similar number of errors, can see why we got him but until I see him play seniors will always wonder if Cincotta wouldn’t have been the better pick for this game.

Hoping lil Durds comes in next game and still reckon our two HF flank positions are up for grabs, looking at you Josh Honey, Jack C, Cotters and that other guy who’s last name starts with a C.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Enough of the LOB bashing (pages and pages of it).


Harry slipped over and he also missed 2 easy set shots earlier in the game!



42sec mark onwards ...

Well…I liked right the end of the clip

“Last drawn game between these two, 1972”

I’ll take the outcome of that season just fine, it’s uncanny how stats like this return


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[JyeDye]

Except it's manifestly not that simple, is it?

Me? Pedantic about language?

I've NEVER been so insulted (so accurately) in my life!

I don't know that I agree at all that Geelong wouldn't have gone for that play, last year. From 2014-2018, you'd absolutely be right; in that block, they played mark-kick all the way round the ground. But last year and earlier, they'd have absolutely made that play.

Did you not watch Brad Close play that precise same way against us last year? D'you watch their game against Collingwood in the quarterfinal?

I think people are allowing their disappointment with the result to colour what was about the only real choice LOB had other than just be someone else. I too wish LOB was Kevin Bartlett - who would've gone straight line at goal, trying to be the hero and to kick it himself - but I don't think that would've won him many friends in the box if he'd ****ed that up, either.

Again context of when they are making those plays is important. At no point was Brad Close making that play when they were up by only 6 points with 1 minute (sorry 1 minute and 39 seconds) left on the clock. Again, that goal they kicked in the quarterfinal was to put them in front (scores were level) so it's not the same context.

People are disappointed that even after consecutive close chokes last year and a whole pre-season of training, that the players are still not able to execute a close game win. The coaches had the sign up to go slow and safe, that's clearly the directive. Now if McKay marks the ball we aren't talking about this, but that's the thing, it still wouldn't have been the best play to increase our chances of winning. How many times when the Hawks in 2016 held onto those close games did you see them executing a play like this? Like the other poster earlier mentioned about Hodge's comments, he knows how to win a close one. Sure this fast-paced play was one way for us to win the game, but there were other ways that also didn't put ourselves as much in jeopardy to lose it (or draw in this case). You do live and die by the sword sometimes, Motlop played on instinct, but it doesn't mean it was the right decision at the time.

 

[Davey33]

With three other rucks on our list (Pitts, Mirks, & O'keefe, how would TDK go if tried in defence? (His brother at Geelong is a natural defender), Tom could be massive in that KPD position. (It's easier to mark and continue forward momentum from defence, than mark and have to turn as a forward.) Although I concede, if the club wanted to try him there, they would have tried him in that position in the practice matches.

I think the question was asked last year.
Crazy that it wouldn't be considered especially when all the KPD'S were injured.

 

[Arr0w]

Jsos, really don't like him playing the 2nd ruck as we don't gain much once the ball hits the ground. Either use Young in that role and S. Durdin back, or bring back Pitto

Mots, looked dangerous, body strength is building, will have a better year than 2022

LOB, got involved when he came on, hard to assess in 1 qtr

Cerra, thought he worked hard both ways, need him hitting the scoreboard

Kennedy, just a bull, some crucial contests, needs quicker outlets like most our mids

Cripps, thought he looked sluggish, if that's his worst game, will have another big year

Harry, thought he was very good, but like Charlie, want him closer to goal more often. Did fight hard for the front position

Gov, a few brain fades, a few brilliant moments, improve the consistency and we look better down back

TDK, thought Nank beat him, but continues to build. Round the ground, needs to work harder to be an outlet option

Acres, thought he was down on output, so will back him in, as he does add a harder, reliable body

Hollands impressed, will understand that he won't be able to break away in a contest until he builds a body, but was generally composed

Doc, similar to Gov, did some great things, then some poor execution. Would have liked to have seen more of him in the middle

Martin was generally quiet, but why let him sit forward when the ball is in our back half. Should have spent some time as an onballer

Weitering, was probably our most consistent defender and I thought he beat Lynch, but that last goal where he didn't fly (along with Young) hurt

Newman, thought he beat Dusty when he was directly responsible to man him, but the likes of Mansell going to him (and Saad) hurt our distribution from defensive half

Fisher was in contention for BOG on tge first qtr, then disappeared. Playing deeper forward was tough last night, but no excuse for not getting more involved. Would tolerate another performance like that next week

Cowan, really impressed me. Disciplined and had great awareness when about to be tackled in ensuring he didn't try to release the ball when outnumbered. Smart, very good first game. Needs to continue looking for that shorter kick

Hewett was a clear standout for me. Couple of times looked beaten and fought hard to stop their possession and force the ball into a teammates hands

Charlie struggled holding his marks, unusual, but like Harry want him inside 50 more. Fought hard and got on top in the 2nd half which is a great sign

Young, see Gov. Still believe he has more growth, just want to see more intensity

Ed, couple of shanks, but thought he did more than most of our non tall forwards. Would have thrown him in the guts earlier, hopefully that option is used earlier when tge likes of a Taranto or Prestia types are driving clearances

Saad, just a complete lack of drive, even with Mansell trying to negate him. Defensively generally very good, but did lose his opponent a couple of times, which hurt us

Owies, thought Rioli spanked him, just can't play from behind with guys that have so much speed

Thought we were well beaten between the arcs in open play. Thought we needed the +1 defensive side of the stoppage, rather than forward side.

Our atracking lanes were way too narrow which played into the Tigers defensive zone. When we did show composure to chip it around moving forward, we looked much more dangerous

 

[teagueyubeauty]

I think the question was asked last year.
Crazy that it wouldn't be considered especially when all the KPD'S were injured.

Well, all KP backs and rucks outside of TDK. He was needed in the ruck when the backline crisis kicked in because Pitto got injured and we had a super green ruck as next up


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[Benaly28]

I think we played to ‘not’ lose if that makes any sense hence why we did t have any flow or speed on the game vastly different to last year.It seemed a very tight in close contested game.Maybe nerves/bit of rust/underdone players who knows need to move on to Geelong and learn (again) from last night.


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[teagueyubeauty]

So Moo Cow was just cramp?
That’s great news if true


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[Gethelred]

Again context of when they are making those plays is important. At no point was Brad Close making that play when they were up by only 6 points with 1 minute (sorry 1 minute and 39 seconds) left on the clock. Again, that goal they kicked in the quarterfinal was to put them in front (scores were level) so it's not the same context.

People are disappointed that even after consecutive close chokes last year and a whole pre-season of training, that the players are still not able to execute a close game win. The coaches had the sign up to go slow and safe, that's clearly the directive. Now if McKay marks the ball we aren't talking about this, but that's the thing, it still wouldn't have been the best play to increase our chances of winning. How many times when the Hawks in 2016 held onto those close games did you see them executing a play like this? Like the other poster earlier mentioned about Hodge's comments, he knows how to win a close one. Sure this fast-paced play was one way for us to win the game, but there were other ways that also didn't put ourselves as much in jeopardy to lose it (or draw in this case). You do live and die by the sword sometimes, Motlop played on instinct, but it doesn't mean it was the right decision at the time.

Footy's not a chess match. A player with open field in front of them and opposition to the right and behind them has only one way to go.

Don't agree with you at all, sorry.

 

[Aphrodite]

Yet the Richmond players didn’t slip bizar

Look at the direction the Richmond players are facing then look at Harry.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Just saw this on Twitter (Luke Mitchell)

'Red area is new grass after Ed Sheeran concert. Harry slips on corner of new grass'

Interesting ...

****ing Sheeran !!

 

[Kruezing]

Look at the direction the Richmond players are facing then look at Harry.

Maybe they ran around the edge of that patch of grass

 

[JyeDye]

Footy's not a chess match. A player with open field in front of them and opposition to the right and behind them has only one way to go.

Don't agree with you at all, sorry.

I'm saying that Motlop should not have handballed into that open field, and instead kicked it to allow LOB to mark, slow down the game, take time off the clock, and let the next kick go to a position that allows us to be able to set up easily and provide stoppage congestion around the football that greatly limits Richmond's chance of kicking a goal. That's all that was needed for us to win that game, it's easier to execute and therefore provides a much greater chance of winning.

No footy is not a chess match, but there are clearly still tactics and game plans involved. Why even have strategies? Why even have coaches? Why even hold out a sign that says to play safe? Why have any of this, it's not a chess match. Anyway, we clearly disagree, I'll leave it at this.

 

[Pixelshooter]

Do we have the lowest cumulative footy IQ of any club in the league? Seriously...a minute to go - we have control of the footy and decide that was the time to make a bolt for it. Just so dumb but entirely predictable.

And just a question...did Jack Martin

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actually play last night? He plays one decent game...then 7,8,9,10 shockers. He's worse than David Warner throwing in a double ton then 10 low scores.

On the plus side, I agree with Voss in that had that been last year we would have been beaten. Credit to the defensive structures to restrict them...but they just smashed us coming out of defence and around the clearances.

Better than a loss...but the scars from that game on top of what happened late last season could linger.

I'm saying that Motlop should not have handballed into that open field, and instead kicked it to allow LOB to mark, slow down the game, take time off the clock, and let the next kick go to a position that allows us to be able to set up easily and provide stoppage congestion around the football that greatly limits Richmond's chance of kicking a goal. That's all that was needed for us to win that game, it's easier to execute and therefore provides a much greater chance of winning.

Spot on. Lack of footy smarts.

 

[Aphrodite]

Do we have the lowest cumulative footy IQ of any club in the league? Seriously...a minute to go - we have control of the footy and decide that was the time to make a bolt for it. Just so dumb but entirely predictable.

And just a question...did Jack Martin actually play last night? He plays one decent game...then 7,8,9,10 shockers. He's worse than David Warner throwing in a double ton then 10 low scores.

On the plus side, I agree with Voss in that had that been last year we would have been beaten. Credit to the defensive structures to restrict them...but they just smashed us coming out of defence and around the clearances.

Better than a loss...but the scars from that game on top of what happened late last season could linger.



Spot on. Lack of footy smarts.

Did you miss the memo.

The loss was LOB's fault!

 

[JoeyPBLUES]

Did you miss the memo.

The loss was LOB's fault!

Or Harry's for falling over... depends which team you're on Team H or Team Lob