News 2023 St Kilda Media Thread

[George]

Are you a good umpire though?

I'm the best umpire but umpires do it tough and it's just so impressive that all their decisions are correct and all suspensions also correct.

You give umpires a bad rap, I could show you a few good umpires to have a beer with including myself, you could have a beer with me I'd show you around did I mention I'm a great guy?

Have a think about it and let me know.

Great guy out

 

[George]

Unlike the way Richo threw Carlisle under the bus after the Murphy episode.
The players seemed pretty peeved about that.

Thats probably why most of his ex-players love Ross - he’s loyal on the outside and gets his point across in no uncertain terms I’d imagine outside the public domain.

Wasn't Ross throwing the list under the bus a couple days ago? Saying we aren't talented enough. The shots at Membrey, Steele during the year.

I personally don't care about it but he's given them a fair whack this year.

 

[Mowman]

I'm the best umpire but umpires do it tough and it's just so impressive that all their decisions are correct and all suspensions also correct.

You give umpires a bad rap, I could show you a few good umpires to have a beer with including myself, you could have a beer with me I'd show you around did I mention I'm a great guy?

Have a think about it and let me know.

Great guy out

Way out there

Boy oh boy

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Wasn't Ross throwing the list under the bus a couple days ago? Saying we aren't talented enough. The shots at Membrey, Steele during the year.

I personally don't care about it but he's given them a fair whack this year.

He’s allowed to, that’s part of coaching the group.

It’s more about defending them from outside noise and sniping journos.

 

[George]

He’s allowed to, that’s part of coaching the group.

It’s more about defending them from outside noise and sniping journos.

He creates outside noise if he publicly goes at them in the way he did lol

Again I don't care, in fact I prefer the players to cop a pasting but hard to sit here and say he doesn't give them public whacks

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

I swear more outside of the club people care more about Ratten getting sacked then the Members and Supporters of this football club.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

I swear more outside of the club people care more about Ratten getting sacked then the Members and Supporters of this football club.

We brutally sacked someone who couldn't hurt a fly apparently.

 

[wolfpac13]

Did Ross Lyon have it leaked through his old mates at Footy Classified that there’s a rift between him and Lethers?

Either way, I think he takes on a role with someone else at the end of the year. It’s time for him to go tbf.

 

[sunny3193]

Agreed however it doesn't even need to be forceful (yelling is never a good way to communicate) just needs to be done and then probably only forceful once a bloke hasn't listened 3-4 times.

At that point, if they still don't listen they get dropped and educated in the VFL

On the contrary, yelling is an extremely effective communication tool.
The skill lies in its frequency (rarely), its absolute contrast to a more usual and understated communication style, and thus, impact.
Yelling is best used infrequently, sparingly, rarely.
Most importantly; selectively.
Otherwise it becomes self defeating.

Yelling to relieve emotional distress, Nah, not so much.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

On the contrary, yelling is an extremely effective communication tool.
The skill lies in its frequency (rarely), its absolute contrast to a more usual and understated communication style, and thus, impact.
Yelling is best used infrequently, sparingly, rarely.
Most importantly; selectively.
Otherwise it becomes self defeating.

Yelling to relieve emotional distress, Nah, not so much.

See Sir Alex, he knew when to give a spray and when to hold back and also which players to put an arm around and which ones need a spray

 

[sunny3193]

Cheers Boomer

That’s ageist.

 

[George]

That’s ageist.

Who let you out of your cage? You haven't finished counting my money.

 

[sunny3193]

Who let you out of your cage? You haven't finished counting my money.

One, two, three.

Finished.

 

[George]

One, two, three.

Finished.

I'm very happy with that, looks like I gained a bit of interest!

 

[sunny3193]

Just listened to today’s presser and he is so far ahead of anyone with his knowledge we are in good hands

Absolutely, just watched him then.
So far in front of our previous three coaches it’s not funny.

 

[sunny3193]

Just posting again to rack up my stats.
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[NarklesHelmet]

Proud of Ratts for sticking up for himself I must say.

Riewoldt was a disappointing pundit when it came to diagnosing the Saints issues for years. “effort, effort, effort” was repeated as nauseum, even though it was clear the problems were more systems-based.

Now, his best mate Ross, a self-proclaimed “effort” coach, has made no impact on the win loss record of the team, and Roo is coming out changing the goal posts mentioning the lack of the “quality of the list” but at the same time, incredibly, insisting that his mate Ross has “no doubt lifted the standards around the club”?!

What a load of rubbish. Amazing how many of our supporters are lapping up the crap Ross has dished out this week throwing the players under the bus when his system has delivered a dreadful couple of months culminating in a 2 goal half against the Suns.

Cognitive dissonance mixed with Stockholm Syndrome at play with our fans.

 

[Nutsngum]

Proud of Ratts for sticking up for himself I must say.

Riewoldt was a disappointing pundit when it came to diagnosing the Saints issues for years. “effort, effort, effort” was repeated as nauseum, even though it was clear the problems were more systems-based.

Now, his best mate Ross, a self-proclaimed “effort” coach, has made no impact on the win loss record of the team, and Roo is coming out changing the goal posts mentioning the lack of the “quality of the list” but at the same time, incredibly, insisting that his mate Ross has “no doubt lifted the standards around the club”?!

What a load of rubbish. Amazing how many of our supporters are lapping up the crap Ross has dished out this week throwing the players under the bus when his system has delivered a dreadful couple of months culminating in a 2 goal half against the Suns.

Cognitive dissonance mixed with Stockholm Syndrome at play with our fans.

Lyon at no point has thrown any of our players under the bus. He rightfully pointed out an awful lack of effort and that we dont have the inherent right to just make finals and with that form we dont deserve it. What he did say was we still have the chance to earn that right in the last 6 rounds.

So actually, youre the one speaking rubbish here claiming he is the "Effort" coach when he has always been about system. Effort is the non negotiable. Coach literally walks in with a new system that got us and kept us in the top 6 of the comp for three quarters of the year so far but apparently it was just effort. Just shallow dumb commentary.

 

[NarklesHelmet]

Lyon at no point has thrown any of our players under the bus. He rightfully pointed out an awful lack of effort and that we dont have the inherent right to just make finals and with that form we dont deserve it. What he did say was we still have the chance to earn that right in the last 6 rounds.

So actually, youre the one speaking rubbish here claiming he is the "Effort" coach when he has always been about system. Effort is the non negotiable. Coach literally walks in with a new system that got us and kept us in the top 6 of the comp for three quarters of the year so far but apparently it was just effort. Just shallow dumb commentary.

Sorry, that’s completely wrong.

Lyon has said many times he coaches for effort and isn’t a coach worried about skill errors.

Not sure how that can be in dispute.

Coaches like Chris Scott are the ones who specifically say effort should be a given, not Lyon.

That’s why it’s strange this week to hear Ross bemoan skills of players when it goes completely against what he has said historically about not being concerned about skills as compared to effort.

If you want skillful teams, you can’t have the attitude Ross has. You need to coach it constantly and prioritize it. Not effort and tackling (maybe worked in 2009, not 2023).

There has been absolutely no evidence over Ross Lyon’s coaching career that he is capable of coaching a skillful, attacking system. 2009-10 when we scored heavily was down to counter attacking because our zone was such a novelty at the time and we had an advantage over the competition. Now everyone does it AND knows how to score off instances that aren’t turnovers.

Amazed with the toxic positivity some show on here toward Ross and the club. Years in the wilderness, playing turgid football this year, and then this week we have our coach priming us up for a rebuild and throwing the list under the bus about their lack of “quality”…. yet there’s many of you lapping it up congratulating him on what he’s saying for some reason?

Give me a break, if you believe Ross and his turgid style can get us out of this mess in 2023, you’ll believe anything I guess.

 

[NarklesHelmet]

Just to back up the whole “Ross is an effort coach” thing, besides loads of articles from his past coaching tenures, an article from his latest stint from earlier this year when we were top of the ladder, backs it up, this quote from Wood illustrates it:

"Everyone and anyone is encouraged to do that, then on the rebound you've got all your numbers around ball then we flow," he said.

"If their defenders want to come with our forwards who are chasing all way up ground, then we know we can get them on the way back. It's not an amazing gameplan, it's just effort."

Few saw Saints' surge coming

It’s all about physicality, running, tackling etc. with Ross, and getting his teams to buy in to it.

Problem is, while he was a very successful win/loss coach for a while, he dropped off pretty alarmingly in the late part of his Freo tenure.

There’s very little to suggest since his time ended at Freo that he has evolved into a coach that can change his outdated gameplan to move the ball like a modern team needs to.

Adding to this problem is the game has also evolved into an even more tactically dynamic (offensively) sport since he stopped coaching. So he was already far behind at Freo and, three years out of the game and no further coaching education, he’s even more ill-equipped to succeed this time around.

I love the club and have supported it for over 40 years, but I am not going to be fed rubbish about how Lyon is the man because his best mate Roo told me so and Ross spins a good yarn in a presser where he shifts most of the blame onto the players instead of the coaches that send them out with a gameplan that scores 2 goals in a half against the Gold Coast and hasn’t improved our win loss record.

Logic says this job will be beyond him unless he gets an assistant in with the skill set to do what he can’t.

And that’s not being negative.

 

[bergholt]

Sorry, that’s completely wrong.

Lyon has said many times he coaches for effort and isn’t a coach worried about skill errors.

Not sure how that can be in dispute.

Coaches like Chris Scott are the ones who specifically say effort should be a given, not Lyon.

That’s why it’s strange this week to hear Ross bemoan skills of players when it goes completely against what he has said historically about not being concerned about skills as compared to effort.

If you want skillful teams, you can’t have the attitude Ross has. You need to coach it constantly and prioritize it. Not effort and tackling (maybe worked in 2009, not 2023).

There has been absolutely no evidence over Ross Lyon’s coaching career that he is capable of coaching a skillful, attacking system. 2009-10 when we scored heavily was down to counter attacking because our zone was such a novelty at the time and we had an advantage over the competition. Now everyone does it AND knows how to score off instances that aren’t turnovers.

Amazed with the toxic positivity some show on here toward Ross and the club. Years in the wilderness, playing turgid football this year, and then this week we have our coach priming us up for a rebuild and throwing the list under the bus about their lack of “quality”…. yet there’s many of you lapping it up congratulating him on what he’s saying for some reason?

Give me a break, if you believe Ross and his turgid style can get us out of this mess in 2023, you’ll believe anything I guess.

Heaps of great points, but for me the point of RTB being here is that now we have proof positive that the problem is the players. We've now had three coaches try to get consistently good performances out of the senior players here and none of them have managed it. RTB is an experienced coach with definite shortcomings but we know that he knows what good looks like in standards and effort. Which means we know that these senior players can't do it.

That's a really important thing to discover because it means we can't just keep doing the same thing - inching forward with the same group - and hoping that eventually the penny will drop for them. We know now that we don't have leadership or sustained quality at the top end of the list so we may as well have a fire sale of those guys and start building from the bottom.

We probably could have arrived at that same conclusion without RTB - plenty on here already had. But now it's inarguable.

 

[sammm]

I think we both agreed we missed finals by a game last year and expectation is finals this year, should be the goal this year and form from early in season shows we can put it all together, need to find that again

That is not quite accurate. The expectation was not finals this year. I may not like Ross Lyon as coach and my fears about him has not abated, but he did not say the expectation was finals this year.

 

[sammm]

Despite loving the outcome, I’m not a fan of Riewoldt sniping from the sidelines. If he wants the club to improve, he should put himself out there to work with the forwards. It’s all well and good to criticize others, but when you’re doing bugger all, except white anting, it’s not a good look for Nick.

Especially from the safety of the USA

 

[sunny3193]

Just posting again to rack up my stats.
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[beside the seaside]

It was a nothing comment from Riewoldt on a podcast that has been made into something bigger than it was.

Who has been on record saying the standards have lifted? From memory, Sinclair, Seb Ross, Crouch, Wood, Steele, Bassat. Is Ratts going to have a go at them too?