News 2023 St Kilda Media Thread

[BigPowerForward]

How good was Stockers interview on Saints twitter - loves the club!

His passion for the club is evident. Sounds like a terrific young bloke

 

[sammm]

Has any other coach ever thanked his assistants and analysts at every post-match? What a guy.

I've never seen it before, and says nearly every time.

 

[DougalHoward]

Lyon’s St Kilda takeover is a lesson for us all on lists, system and coaching

What a remarkable story St Kilda has been so far this year.

www.sen.com.au

 

[stavro#4]

Lyon’s St Kilda takeover is a lesson for us all on lists, system and coaching

What a remarkable story St Kilda has been so far this year.

www.sen.com.au

Might be one of the best articles I’ve read in a long time

 

[Diehard Saint]

Clearest proof yet Saints are ‘genuine’; Blues conundrum as blunders costly — 3-2-1

Clearest proof yet Saints are ‘genuine’; Blues conundrum as blunders costly — 3-2-1

www.foxsports.com.au

Thanks for posting all the media articles, Sammm, makes it so easy just to find them all on here.
Appreciate it.

 

[Munga]

I'm posting this for posterity. Absolutely love the club making these people sound like tossers... and it only took six weeks, with an injury list bigger than their IQs...

Saints' brutal Ratten call analysed, what comes next

Damian Barrett and Nat Edwards with all the fallout following St Kilda's bombshell sacking of coach Brett Ratten

www.afl.com.au

 

[SteeleSaints]

MATCH REVIEW: Young Blue banned, Crow and Hawk cited

The match review is in for Sunday's round six matches

www.afl.com.au

 

[Ads734]

Has any other coach ever thanked his assistants and analysts at every post-match? What a guy.

He just gets it. Never takes credit. Never takes any credit on behalf of the players. Just diverts anything he doesn’t want to answer and always says a lot without saying anything at all.

 

[11men1cup]

Shock to second chance: Saint reveals how close he came to quitting

Liam Stocker has resurrected his career after earning a lifeline with the high-flying Saints

www.afl.com.au

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[gubby88]

Shock to second chance: Saint reveals how close he came to quitting - Shock to second chance: Saint reveals how close he came to quitting

On SM-G960F using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[sammm]

Thanks for posting all the media articles, Sammm, makes it so easy just to find them all on here.
Appreciate it.

I don't see them all, and I don't have access to the paid ones, so it's great that others also find stuff.

 

[Remboy]

Has any other coach ever thanked his assistants and analysts at every post-match? What a guy.

That’s one of the biggest differences I’ve noticed about Ross this time around. If you go to training you can see how much the assistants are doing with Ross in more of an overseeing role. He’s really giving them a bigger role. Last time we seemed to burn through assistants on a regular basis.
I saw a preseason video recently where Ross was miked up and he was talking to Enright about how long he was an assistant before he got the top job and comparing it to Enright currently.
It wouldn’t surprise me if there was some sort of succession plan, or at least an understanding, of who our next coach will be by the time we get to Ross’s last year of this contract.

 

[Remboy]

He just gets it. Never takes credit. Never takes any credit on behalf of the players. Just diverts anything he doesn’t want to answer and always says a lot without saying anything at all.

His press conferences are must see viewing. No spin, no garbage, just tells it like it is. I’ve never taken much notices of pressers before but you just want to hear what he has to say post match.

 

[Remboy]

I'm posting this for posterity. Absolutely love the club making these people sound like tossers... and it only took six weeks, with an injury list bigger than their IQs...

Saints' brutal Ratten call analysed, what comes next

Damian Barrett and Nat Edwards with all the fallout following St Kilda's bombshell sacking of coach Brett Ratten

www.afl.com.au

Maybe people who run football clubs know more about running football clubs than a couple of journalists. Who would have thought it?
These people are lucky they don’t have articles written about how amateurish they look and questioning their ability to do their job.

 

[jwikked]

Traumatic toll: Why St Kilda’s Seaford folly is akin to Dons, Blues sagas

One could argue that the relocation to an unloved and soulless venue inflicted just as much damage on the Saints as Carlton’s draft penalties or the Essendon drug saga did to those more powerful clubs.

www.theage.com.au

anyone got this? Archive not cooperating this morning.

It has taken Essendon a decade to fully recover from the impact of the investigation of the club’s injection regime by what was then known as the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority.
Carlton’s recuperation from the AFL’s 2002 draft penalties for salary cap cheating arguably lingered for nearly as long. Or maybe longer.
When the Blues partially recovered in 2009-11, on the back of Richard Pratt’s intervention, the arrival of Chris Judd and a few No.1 draft picks, they weren’t yet robust or united enough to be restored to their former grandeur.
Today, they’ve gone a decade without finals, but have considerable talent, money and facilities. No ghosts from their past should impede progress.
Adelaide, meanwhile, appear to have been fully cleansed of the fallout that followed that disastrous pre-season camp five-and-a-half years ago. The camp was itself a response to the grand final defeat, and it is easily forgotten that, in the post-season of 2017, Charlie Cameron and Jake Lever both walked out, then aged 21 and 23 respectively.
The Crows, in effect, have got their mojo back by finding new talent, especially Jordan Dawson and Izak Rankine - the equivalent to Lever and Cameron - along with Josh Rachele, Riley Thilthorpe and others.
Conversely, Collingwood’s firesale of 2020 has been revealed, in hindsight, to be much less of a disaster than it appeared. The Pies wouldn’t be back up in contention for the flag under Craig McRae if not for that unpleasant list surgery.
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AFL clubs can suffer from a version of post-traumatic stress for years after the event. Typically, as in the cases of Carlton, Essendon and the Crows, the trauma involves a scandal of some kind in which key individuals are hurt, players leave (or never arrive, as with Brendon Goddard and Daniel Wells at Carlton) while the club loses stability and cohesion.
It becomes less appealing to players and coaches. It has to pay a premium to players. Decisions are compromised by political considerations and/or to appease players and fans, a pathology most evident at Essendon in the saga aftermath.
It has been more than a dozen years since the St Kilda Football Club packed up their belongings and moved from their ramshackle spiritual home at Moorabbin - where they were engaged in a dispute with the local (Kingston) council - and took up a new home in what became the wasteland of Seaford.
The Seaford move wasn’t a scandal and had no connection to any St Kilda shenanigans of that time.

St Kilda’s former training base and headquarters at Seaford, south of Melbourne.Credit: The Age
But one could argue that the relocation to an unloved and soulless venue inflicted just as much damage on the Saints as Carlton’s draft penalties or the Essendon drug saga did to those more powerful clubs.
Seaford was a hard sell. Players were not keen on the location, nor were many staff. Commercially, the Saints found themselves in quicksand.
They entered a quasi-rebuild of their playing list that saw some favourites, such as Goddard and Nick Dal Santo, depart. The draft return wasn’t enough to cover them.
They traded Ben McEvoy to Hawthorn, losing a prospective leader who might have supported Nick Riewoldt, Leigh Montagna and the surviving remnants of Ross Lyon’s grand final sides of 2009-10.

Brendon Goddard in action for the Saints in 2012.Credit: Sebastian Costanzo
Their debt grew, peaking at a worrisome $13 million around the time they headed back to Moorabbin, at considerable cost to club donors, the state government and ultimately the AFL. They became entrenched as the most financially propped-up Victorian club.
Seaford made the Saints the antithesis of destination club. It is noteworthy that they played finals only in their first season at Seaford (and lost an elimination final to Sydney), missing in the next six seasons. Jack Steele was a rare success in terms of luring a player of quality from another club (Greater Western Sydney).
A sleek pool, fancy bar bells and Alt-G training machines don’t necessarily improve players. But as with any property, location matters enormously. Seaford was too far to travel for many players and staff. It did not draw media, either, on those occasions when the Saints had a message to spruik.
When the Saints finally abandoned their Seaford folly in 2018 and went back to Moorabbin, Riewoldt, who had just retired, explained how the seven-year exile had depleted morale.

“As with any property, location matters enormously. Seaford was too far to travel for many players and staff.”

“It wasn’t a world-class facility and geographically it was tough for the players,” Riewoldt said.
“For the group at the time, on the back of a grand final in 2009 and 2010, arguably the best list that we’d accumulated in the club’s history, and then to go down to Seaford, away from the spiritual home — yeah, it crushed the group at the time.”
And like the bruised Bombers and Blues, St Kilda didn’t heal the instant they left their folly behind.
Lyon’s return represents a kind of closure for the failed Seaford sojourn. Lyon was coach when the Saints were within inches of premierships in 2009 and 2010, in what were the proverbial last days of disco for old Moorabbin.
Lyon might have coached his opponents this Sunday, Carlton, had the Carlton hierarchy not developed cold feet in September 2021, when some of Luke Sayers’ board expressed concern about the coach’s history at Fremantle, where there was a confidential settlement with a woman following a club function.
But whereas the Blues were flummoxed by what might be termed undue diligence on Lyon (who’d been an assistant coach at Carlton under David Parkin and Wayne Brittain), the Saints really knew Lyon, who had a coterie of past players, headed by Riewoldt, board member Jason Blake, Goddard, Lenny Hayes and Dal Santo, in his corner; the latter trio, plus Robert Harvey, are in Lyon’s coaching panel or working nearby (Dal Santo coaching the AFLW side and heading the Next Generation academy).

Ross Lyon, unveiled by the Saints last October.Credit: Getty Images
Asked to jump through hoops by Carlton, Lyon bailed from a suddenly fraught process.
The Blues eventually found their experienced coach in Michael Voss. One reading of Lyon’s landing back at Moorabbin is that the Saints offered him, ironically, a culturally safe space, where he was backed, supported and surrounded by his own people.
Who knows where the Saints - and Lyon - would be had the club been unable to extricate themselves from Seaford and an ill-advised relocation that cost the Saints much more than the seven years they spent in the wrong address.

 

[XhazzafootyX]

Has any other coach ever thanked his assistants and analysts at every post-match? What a guy.

Chris Scott spends most of his press conferences complaining about something

 

[gringo2011]

It has taken Essendon a decade to fully recover from the impact of the investigation of the club’s injection regime by what was then known as the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority.
Carlton’s recuperation from the AFL’s 2002 draft penalties for salary cap cheating arguably lingered for nearly as long. Or maybe longer.
When the Blues partially recovered in 2009-11, on the back of Richard Pratt’s intervention, the arrival of Chris Judd and a few No.1 draft picks, they weren’t yet robust or united enough to be restored to their former grandeur.
Today, they’ve gone a decade without finals, but have considerable talent, money and facilities. No ghosts from their past should impede progress.
Adelaide, meanwhile, appear to have been fully cleansed of the fallout that followed that disastrous pre-season camp five-and-a-half years ago. The camp was itself a response to the grand final defeat, and it is easily forgotten that, in the post-season of 2017, Charlie Cameron and Jake Lever both walked out, then aged 21 and 23 respectively.
The Crows, in effect, have got their mojo back by finding new talent, especially Jordan Dawson and Izak Rankine - the equivalent to Lever and Cameron - along with Josh Rachele, Riley Thilthorpe and others.
Conversely, Collingwood’s firesale of 2020 has been revealed, in hindsight, to be much less of a disaster than it appeared. The Pies wouldn’t be back up in contention for the flag under Craig McRae if not for that unpleasant list surgery.
Loading
AFL clubs can suffer from a version of post-traumatic stress for years after the event. Typically, as in the cases of Carlton, Essendon and the Crows, the trauma involves a scandal of some kind in which key individuals are hurt, players leave (or never arrive, as with Brendon Goddard and Daniel Wells at Carlton) while the club loses stability and cohesion.
It becomes less appealing to players and coaches. It has to pay a premium to players. Decisions are compromised by political considerations and/or to appease players and fans, a pathology most evident at Essendon in the saga aftermath.
It has been more than a dozen years since the St Kilda Football Club packed up their belongings and moved from their ramshackle spiritual home at Moorabbin - where they were engaged in a dispute with the local (Kingston) council - and took up a new home in what became the wasteland of Seaford.
The Seaford move wasn’t a scandal and had no connection to any St Kilda shenanigans of that time.

St Kilda’s former training base and headquarters at Seaford, south of Melbourne.Credit: The Age
But one could argue that the relocation to an unloved and soulless venue inflicted just as much damage on the Saints as Carlton’s draft penalties or the Essendon drug saga did to those more powerful clubs.
Seaford was a hard sell. Players were not keen on the location, nor were many staff. Commercially, the Saints found themselves in quicksand.
They entered a quasi-rebuild of their playing list that saw some favourites, such as Goddard and Nick Dal Santo, depart. The draft return wasn’t enough to cover them.
They traded Ben McEvoy to Hawthorn, losing a prospective leader who might have supported Nick Riewoldt, Leigh Montagna and the surviving remnants of Ross Lyon’s grand final sides of 2009-10.

Brendon Goddard in action for the Saints in 2012.Credit: Sebastian Costanzo
Their debt grew, peaking at a worrisome $13 million around the time they headed back to Moorabbin, at considerable cost to club donors, the state government and ultimately the AFL. They became entrenched as the most financially propped-up Victorian club.
Seaford made the Saints the antithesis of destination club. It is noteworthy that they played finals only in their first season at Seaford (and lost an elimination final to Sydney), missing in the next six seasons. Jack Steele was a rare success in terms of luring a player of quality from another club (Greater Western Sydney).
A sleek pool, fancy bar bells and Alt-G training machines don’t necessarily improve players. But as with any property, location matters enormously. Seaford was too far to travel for many players and staff. It did not draw media, either, on those occasions when the Saints had a message to spruik.
When the Saints finally abandoned their Seaford folly in 2018 and went back to Moorabbin, Riewoldt, who had just retired, explained how the seven-year exile had depleted morale.

“It wasn’t a world-class facility and geographically it was tough for the players,” Riewoldt said.
“For the group at the time, on the back of a grand final in 2009 and 2010, arguably the best list that we’d accumulated in the club’s history, and then to go down to Seaford, away from the spiritual home — yeah, it crushed the group at the time.”
And like the bruised Bombers and Blues, St Kilda didn’t heal the instant they left their folly behind.
Lyon’s return represents a kind of closure for the failed Seaford sojourn. Lyon was coach when the Saints were within inches of premierships in 2009 and 2010, in what were the proverbial last days of disco for old Moorabbin.
Lyon might have coached his opponents this Sunday, Carlton, had the Carlton hierarchy not developed cold feet in September 2021, when some of Luke Sayers’ board expressed concern about the coach’s history at Fremantle, where there was a confidential settlement with a woman following a club function.
But whereas the Blues were flummoxed by what might be termed undue diligence on Lyon (who’d been an assistant coach at Carlton under David Parkin and Wayne Brittain), the Saints really knew Lyon, who had a coterie of past players, headed by Riewoldt, board member Jason Blake, Goddard, Lenny Hayes and Dal Santo, in his corner; the latter trio, plus Robert Harvey, are in Lyon’s coaching panel or working nearby (Dal Santo coaching the AFLW side and heading the Next Generation academy).

Ross Lyon, unveiled by the Saints last October.Credit: Getty Images
Asked to jump through hoops by Carlton, Lyon bailed from a suddenly fraught process.
The Blues eventually found their experienced coach in Michael Voss. One reading of Lyon’s landing back at Moorabbin is that the Saints offered him, ironically, a culturally safe space, where he was backed, supported and surrounded by his own people.
Who knows where the Saints - and Lyon - would be had the club been unable to extricate themselves from Seaford and an ill-advised relocation that cost the Saints much more than the seven years they spent in the wrong address.

I reckon that there is a kernel of truth to Seaford but it was more just a series of bad decisions and poor staffing choices on top of it more than Seaford itself. Post double GF losses after putting in everything they had left them exhausted and then the club lost direction then went into austerity measures to pay down debt. The money that we lost in going to Seaford meant that we didn't pay for the best staff and so poor decisions kept getting made. Pelchen was also the wrong man to get given the keys to a rebuild. Trout's drafting was way below industry standard and development and directional planning was hampered by having low wage staff with no experience.

You could write the same article stying that letting Ross Lyon walk out was the traumatic event. Like being blindsided by a divorce it was a hit to our self belief.

 

[sverik25]

I reckon that there is a kernel of truth to Seaford but it was more just a series of bad decisions and poor staffing choices on top of it more than Seaford itself. Post double GF losses after putting in everything they had left them exhausted and then the club lost direction then went into austerity measures to pay down debt. The money that we lost in going to Seaford meant that we didn't pay for the best staff and so poor decisions kept getting made. Pelchen was also the wrong man to get given the keys to a rebuild. Trout's drafting was way below industry standard and development and directional planning was hampered by having low wage staff with no experience.

You could write the same article stying that letting Ross Lyon walk out was the traumatic event. Like being blindsided by a divorce it was a hit to our self belief.

Agree, great being back at Moorabbin, but Seaford isn't as big a deal as some like to make out - Geelong have had no troubles with their location over the years.

 

[George]

Grant Thomas from about 17 minutes in

 

[Saints TV]

Might be of interest! Boys spoke to GT earlier tonight.

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[BiggerThompa]

Good win against the Blooz. Liam Stocker

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revenge game, Blake Acres

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anti-revenge game.

If you like these vids and feel like chipping in, here's a link: BiggerThompa is creating memes about THE MIGHTY SAINTZ

 

[botts]

Good win against the Blooz. Liam Stocker revenge game, Blake Acres anti-revenge game.

If you like these vids and feel like chipping in, here's a link: BiggerThompa is creating memes about THE MIGHTY SAINTZ

These are right up there with my highlights of the week

 

[CursingFijian]

 

[StFly]

Agree, great being back at Moorabbin, but Seaford isn't as big a deal as some like to make out - Geelong have had no troubles with their location over the years.

Geelong have the state gov and local to please please please stay, as many things not mum and dad were leaving/closing which is why they built a prison nearby and not closer to Melb or Avalon. It is in no way a comparison to Seaford where Kingston told us to GAGF and we said GAGF and walked further to Frankston and "welcome to the part people promise to develop and reneg on immediately".

 

[gringo2011]

Geelong have the state gov and local to please please please stay, as many things not mum and dad were leaving/closing which is why they built a prison nearby and not closer to Melb or Avalon. It is in no way a comparison to Seaford where Kingston told us to GAGF and we said GAGF and walked further to Frankston and "welcome to the part people promise to develop and reneg on immediately".

I still reckon if we'd got Frankston oval with it's prime realestate it could have worked. That Seaford ground looked so half arsed, it was lost in the back blocks of nowhere, had hardly any parking despite being in the middle of nowhere and looked like a public toilet block next to a suburban park more than a club. About 6 months after we had built it, half the sign facing the freeway fell off and we'd put a line of bins and hard rubbish along side the broken sign. We hated it from the moment we took the keys. Most junior clubs have equal or better facilities.