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[TruRoos7]

If we don’t end up targeting Oliver, we better damn find a way to end up with Reid, McKercher and one of Watson/Curtin/O’Sullivan

FMD with Oliver shit we cough up McKercher and Curtin/Watson for Oliver are you people ****ing serious.

1 player for 2 high end kids I. This years draft.

Oliver is probably 1 strike and out, if he is so ****ing good why don’t Melbourne keep him because they want Reid
Or McKercher you ****ing idiots..

We are in the box seat to deal with WC leave it at that..

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

Tom 'sexiest pig' Morris saying Adelaide and * are very interested in Oliver

He could potentially make both those clubs push for top 6. He would be perfect for them.

 

[DuckYeah]

He could potentially make both those clubs push for top 6. He would be perfect for them.

Who do we want him to implode more? I personally would love to see Adelaide implode more by having his toxic culture around. I mean, Adelaide are more a threat to us in a couple of years than * are.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Everything about a Clayton Oliver move diminishes North’s hand, as he ain’t going anywhere without Melbourne securing enough to trade up for Reid.

And if it were us to take him in, it would need to involve pick3, by which time you’d just give a little more and take Reid instead.

Everything about it is s**t. Stay away and pray he stays at the demons.

The only way the Dees can get pick 1 is if WC decide they don't need Curtin, or if we trade pick 2.

The Crows will have 9 + 21 + 24 + Doedee compo (~30?) + F1.

They might be able to trade a combo of those picks for 4, in order to beat the Dogs' offer (10 + 17 + F1).

I can't see them offering much more than pick 4 for Oliver because they won't have much more draft capital.

Now Pick 4 obviously becomes pick 6 after Walter and Mckay compo, and the Dees' pick 5 becomes pick 7.

Reckon WC would take pick 6 and pick 7 for pick 1?

I'd suggest they won't.

So how do the Dees get pick 1 without dealing with us?

 

[DuckYeah]

The only way the Dees can get pick 1 is if WC decide they don't need Curtin, or if we trade pick 2.

The Crows will have 9 + 21 + 24 + Doedee compo (~30?) + F1.

They might be able to trade a combo of those picks for 4, in order to beat the Dogs' offer (10 + 17 + F1).

I can't see them offering much more than pick 4 for Oliver because they won't have much more draft capital.

Now Pick 4 obviously becomes pick 6 after Walter and Mckay compo, and the Dees' pick 5 becomes pick 7.

Reckon WC would take pick 6 and pick 7 for pick 1?

I'd suggest they won't.

So how do the Dees get pick 1 without dealing with us?

They cant.

 

[TruRoos7]

They cant.

And we shouldn’t help them either.

 

[Its a Process]

And we shouldn’t help them either.

It’s a not a matter of helping them, the question is can we get involved to improve our team.

Can we get prize Michaelaney/Rachele out of this for a pick downgrade and our future first rounders. Something along these lines.

All very hypothetical but prior posters are right, we need to be involved if Reid to Melbourne is part of the deal

 

[TruRoos7]

It’s a not a matter of helping them, the question is can we get involved to improve our team.

Can we get prize Michaelaney/Rachele out of this for a pick downgrade and our future first rounders. Something along these lines.

All very hypothetical but prior posters are right, we need to be involved if Reid to Melbourne is part of the deal

But why not work our own deal to get Reid to NORTH melbourne…

Also I say the only way we should consider helping Melbourne get Reid is if we can send Oliver to Pooooort to watch them implode instead of Radelaide

 

[Gasometer]

Lots of excellent discussions the past few days on here

Damos book will be thick of ideas

Hi Damo

 

[Sphynx]

The only way the Dees can get pick 1 is if WC decide they don't need Curtin, or if we trade pick 2.

The Crows will have 9 + 21 + 24 + Doedee compo (~30?) + F1.

They might be able to trade a combo of those picks for 4, in order to beat the Dogs' offer (10 + 17 + F1).

I can't see them offering much more than pick 4 for Oliver because they won't have much more draft capital.

Now Pick 4 obviously becomes pick 6 after Walter and Mckay compo, and the Dees' pick 5 becomes pick 7.

Reckon WC would take pick 6 and pick 7 for pick 1?

I'd suggest they won't.

So how do the Dees get pick 1 without dealing with us?

If I’m West Coast I’m asking for JVR in the deal.

See how much they really want Reid.

 

[The acurate one]

If … Magoo signed for 780k

Then… Naughton signed for unders

These long term deals will continue until clubs have a say in their want away players destination.

Amd that needs to happen quickly.

 

[pantskyle]

Spaceman joined a crack-on back at a friends in London during the early 2000's while he was there doing some theatre or something.

As he left about 14 hrs later, he casually dropped a £5 note as his contribution!

Tight a**!

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At least he didn't casually drop his pants.

 

[Only Forwards]

These long term deals will continue until clubs have a say in their want away players destination.

Amd that needs to happen quickly.

IMHO giving clubs this power would immediately change the "go home factor"

it would have made it almost impossible for Port to white ant us they way they did with Ratboy.

by extension to reducing go home factor it would mean the AFL could change the Northern Academies.

 

[tiltraise]

Could we help Hawks get Reid?

In: 4, F1 (Haw), Darling (partial salary dump)
Out: 2, PP 19

 

[Roo202]

Depending on how strong our desire is to get pick 1 for ourselves is, this could work out very well. If the Dees are prepared to offload a star player to get it themselves, it seems the bidding for pick 1 is going to be over the top and we may be better off enhancing our already strong draft hand in the side transactions needed to get it all through.

Presuming the Dees would only trade Oliver if they end up with pick 1 and WC would only trade pick 1 if they end up with pick 2 as part of their haul, it puts us in a really strong position.

It is up to Adelaide (or whoever Oliver is going to) to give the Dees enough to get pick 1 and it is then up to the Dees to make sure WC can get pick 2.

However that plays out, our pick 2 is a key to the whole process, but we also have no need to get involved unless it is very much made worth our while.

Downgrading 2 to 5-6, could still give us access to a player we have near the top of our board with the potential to add another high pick.

 

[Sphynx]

Depending on how strong our desire is to get pick 1 for ourselves is, this could work out very well. If the Dees are prepared to offload a star player to get it themselves, it seems the bidding for pick 1 is going to be over the top and we may be better off enhancing our already strong draft hand in the side transactions needed to get it all through.

Presuming the Dees would only trade Oliver if they end up with pick 1 and WC would only trade pick 1 if they end up with pick 2 as part of their haul, it puts us in a really strong position.

It is up to Adelaide (or whoever Oliver is going to) to give the Dees enough to get pick 1 and it is then up to the Dees to make sure WC can get pick 2.

However that plays out, our pick 2 is a key to the whole process, but we also have no need to get involved unless it is very much made worth our while.

Downgrading 2 to 5-6, could still give us access to a player we have near the top of our board with the potential to add another high pick.

I think Curtin is slightly overrated on BF and Duursma underrated compared to recruiting circles.

I think there's a legitimate chance if West Coast got 4 (even if it turned into 6) they still get Curtin. Twoomey said as much this morning. Twoomey has him at #6 in his power rankings.

Twoomey continually raises Duursma and North as an option, he even did it this morning again.


If anything, Pick #2 holds the leverage for McKercher for rival clubs, not Curtin.

McKercher & Duursma is very much a real option if we hold 2 & 3 for us.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Depending on how strong our desire is to get pick 1 for ourselves is, this could work out very well. If the Dees are prepared to offload a star player to get it themselves, it seems the bidding for pick 1 is going to be over the top and we may be better off enhancing our already strong draft hand in the side transactions needed to get it all through.

Presuming the Dees would only trade Oliver if they end up with pick 1 and WC would only trade pick 1 if they end up with pick 2 as part of their haul, it puts us in a really strong position.

It is up to Adelaide (or whoever Oliver is going to) to give the Dees enough to get pick 1 and it is then up to the Dees to make sure WC can get pick 2.

However that plays out, our pick 2 is a key to the whole process, but we also have no need to get involved unless it is very much made worth our while.

Downgrading 2 to 5-6, could still give us access to a player we have near the top of our board with the potential to add another high pick.

If we downgrade 2. I want a top 7-8 F1 as well as 5/6. Someone would have to cough up big time. If someone wants Reid that bad then we have to be the biggest beneficiaries of that trade.

I’d be more keen to not help any of them and just stuff our list with another 5 top 20 picks.

 

[Sphynx]

If we downgrade 2. I want a top 7-8 F1 as well as 5/6. Someone would have to cough up big time. If someone wants Reid that bad then we have to be the biggest beneficiaries of that trade.

I’d be more keen to not help any of them and just stuff our list with another 5 top 20 picks.

As I've been banging on for weeks....

Not often do midfielders come around with electric speed paired with 960 Yo-Yo's like McKercher, who is ultra consistent, racks up the ball and kicks over a goal a game at pretty much every level of junior football.

Access to him should come at a premium not too dissimilar to Reid tbh.


He should just be wearing our jumper next season in all honesty. He's a hyper damaging player that absolutely suits the modern AFL down to the ground. He also compliments the large number of inside midfielders we've amassed, as he's a second receiver type, like LDU is at his best.

 

[tiltraise]

If we downgrade 2. I want a top 7-8 F1 as well as 5/6. Someone would have to cough up big time. If someone wants Reid that bad then we have to be the biggest beneficiaries of that trade.

I’d be more keen to not help any of them and just stuff our list with another 5 top 20 picks.

Love your work mate.

Any chance of doing a tier list post combine?

 

[The Filth Wizard]

I think end of the day we'll have Reid as our number one target so can't see why we would help any club procure him bar the Eagles who already own him.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Is think Curtin is slightly overrated on BF and Duursma underrated compared to recruiting circles.

I think there's a legitimate chance if West Coast got 4 (even if it turned into 6) they still get Curtin. Twoomey said as much this morning. Twoomey has him at #6 in his power rankings.

Twoomey continually raises Duursma and North as an option, he even did it this morning again.

I’d add that Sanders is still underrated around here too, I think he is every chance to picked up by us at 2/3 purely because of his consistent and weight of numbers.

I don’t like the idea of Duursma coming to us. Imo he was disappointing as when played as a midfielder this year and I don’t think he is as “classy” as he is made out to be by the media. Wouldn’t suit us from a list balance perspective picking up another forward flanker.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Love your work mate.

Any chance of doing a tier list post combine?

Thanks mate! That my plan to do rankings & a tier list, once the combine is done.

 

[Sphynx]

I’d add that Sanders is still underrated around here too, I think he is every chance to picked up by us at 2/3 purely because of his consistent and weight of numbers.

I don’t like the idea of Duursma coming to us. Imo he was disappointing as when played as a midfielder this year and I don’t think he is as “classy” as he is made out to be by the media. Wouldn’t suit us from a list balance perspective picking up another forward flanker.

I don't particularly like the fit either, but the reality is that a lot of clubs have Duursma as the clear #3 in the draft and even above McKercher on some boards.

We don't like it because we have a bit of a glut of fwd/mids and picked up the best two in last years draft.

It's all the rage for other clubs though, particularly given that a big portion of the last number of premiership sides have had 1 key forward/multiple medium forward setups. It's debatable if Collingwood had even that, they have Mihocek and an American ruckman/Billy Frampton.

Collingwoods strength lie in Elliott, Hill, Johnson, McCreery. They also get a lot of goals from midfield with Daicos and De Goey.

I think Duursma projects to be every bit as good as someone like Isaac Heeney, which appeals to alot of clubs.

 

[tiltraise]

I think Curtin is slightly overrated on BF and Duursma underrated compared to recruiting circles.

I think there's a legitimate chance if West Coast got 4 (even if it turned into 6) they still get Curtin. Twoomey said as much this morning. Twoomey has him at #6 in his power rankings.

Twoomey continually raises Duursma and North as an option, he even did it this morning again.


If anything, Pick #2 holds the leverage for McKercher for rival clubs, not Curtin.

McKercher & Duursma is very much a real option if we hold 2 & 3 for us.

What if we downgrade 3 and promise to not take Curtain at 2 so WC can take him at 3?

 

[gokangas]

Still plenty of chat around that WCE are very nervous about selecting Reid. Might turn into a bit of a staring match to see who blinks first. Do we try and trade to number one pick and call their bluff? Is it true they won't pick him? Will Dees be able to trade up to pick one and guzzump us?