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[justroyal]

For those who want us to take McKercher or Sanders with our top picks, please help me understand.

Which of our current midfielders do you want McKercher/Sanders to replace? And why?

Genuine question.

I’m all in for Curtin.
But I think if McKercher can go wing/hbf as well. So perhaps, Curtis Taylor and Jy are mine. I see his speed and acceleration more useful in those spaces on the ground than those two. Also his ability to get the ball would helps him out there too.

 

[tiltraise]

Then let them trade with someone else.

As it stands Crows hold 19,22,25 its possible they package those for 10.

 

[The Y Factor]

As it stands Crows hold 19,22,25 its possible they package those for 10.

Hence why the 14 is important

 

[Smoocher]

For those who want us to take McKercher or Sanders with our top picks, please help me understand.

Which of our current midfielders do you want McKercher/Sanders to replace? And why?

Genuine question.

TT could request trade next year.
Powell is average.
Wardlaw as good as he can be is yet to proove he will overcome his hammies.
Wilphil has shown signs but is still an average midfielder.



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[tiltraise]

We might be able to work something like this

In: 10, F1 (WB)
Out: 14, PP1, PP2

 

[Palpatine]

For those who want us to take McKercher or Sanders with our top picks, please help me understand.

Which of our current midfielders do you want McKercher/Sanders to replace? And why?

Genuine question.

Probably based on our player availability:
List ordered on ave CBA attended in 2023
LDU 9 games missed inj
Simpkin 5 games missed inj
Phillips 7 games missed inj and VFL
Thomas 11 games missed club sus and fitness
Wardlaw 15 games missed conditioning and inj
Cunnington 14 games missed VFL now retired
Greenwood 9 games missed VFL and concussion
Powell 9 games missed inj and VFL
Shiels 7 missed inj
Lazzaro 17 missed VFL & inj
Zurhaar 7 missed inj

 

[ohmygewd]

David King when asked about North and pick 1:

They gave those priority picks for a reason, get creative, bring in someone who’s going to get viewers on a Saturday night.

Pick Reid and Wiz and between these two and the Sheez...OMG what a highlights package!!

Reid takes the intercepting mark, fends off, steps around, handballs to a bursting Wardlaw, driving kick to Big Chom crashes the pack, ball spills out to Sheez snaps, drops short in the pocket, Souva tries the miracle shot across the goal face....the Wiz with the volley from the boundary ... GOOOAALLL

 

[ohmygewd]

As it stands Crows hold 19,22,25 its possible they package those for 10.

Crows hold #20 not #19...our PP #19 stays ahead of any compo picks.

 

[ferball]

For those who want us to take McKercher or Sanders with our top picks, please help me understand.

Which of our current midfielders do you want McKercher/Sanders to replace? And why?

Genuine question.

McKercher has leg speed and endurance. He can replace Greenwood, Shiels or Tucker.

 

[krakouers]

Crows hold #20 not #19...our PP #19 stays ahead of any compo picks.

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[Luke72]

The Bulldogs have revealed their hand with the pick swaps lining up for the Croft f/s selection much in the same way as we did when TT was nga. I’d be tempted to throw an early bid in and force their hand.

 

[ohmygewd]

The Bulldogs have revealed their hand with the pick swaps lining up for the Croft f/s selection much in the same way as we did when TT was nga. I’d be tempted to throw an early bid in and force their hand.

If Croft nominates?

 

[Tas]

For those who want us to take McKercher or Sanders with our top picks, please help me understand.

Which of our current midfielders do you want McKercher/Sanders to replace? And why?

Genuine question.

I am not fussed who we take... but Phillips and Powell haven't established themselves in the midfield yet. Yes, they have both played good games and have often shown promising signs, but they are not there yet and there would be a level of unknown how high they will peak. None of our mids to date have hit the ground running like Sheezel did this year, I think Wardlaw would have if he didn't have injury interruptions, the games he played in were all very good.

We have to also assume that we will lose players. Will Powell get lured home? Will another mid ask to be traded? Fremantle's push up the ladder stalled because of constant midfield losses, they drafted mids to replace them but that is 2-3 years down the hole. GWS have been able to have a strong midfield despite the turnstile like loss of good quality mids because they keep recruiting and developing the mids before they lose too many of them.

If you recruit McKercher and Sanders and McKercher ends up a 90/100 player, Sanders a 85/100, LDU 95/100, Wardlaw 90/100, Powell 65/100 and Phillips 75/100 then you would eventually retain your best mids and trade out the ones lower on the totem pole whilst they have good trade value and you go again, take some good young mids and build them up ready to replace someone who leaves or push someone else out of the best side. That way you maintain a high standard.

Because it isn't just about Phillips, Powell and the second mid tier, we have players like Greenwood, Howe, Taylor, Turner, Tucker, Zurhaar, Mahony, Shiels, Lazzaro, Drury, etc running through the middle at different times this season. I don't think anyone in this group is in Clarkson's dreams of a premiership midfield. Some are gone, others are playing a transition role and we have some really good prospects but we don't want to go another 2 or 3 years then realise we don't have enough quality in the midfield. No disrespect to Tucker or Stephens but they are/were on our radar because our midfield sucks. It has the potential to get a lot better as some mature but it is not a foregone conclusion and we should never assume it will be, it is a results based industry.

 

[remfan101]

Probably based on our player availability:
List ordered on ave CBA attended in 2023
LDU 9 games missed inj
Simpkin 5 games missed inj
Phillips 7 games missed inj and VFL
Thomas 11 games missed club sus and fitness
Wardlaw 15 games missed conditioning and inj
Cunnington 14 games missed VFL now retired
Greenwood 9 games missed VFL and concussion
Powell 9 games missed inj and VFL
Shiels 7 missed inj
Lazzaro 17 missed VFL & inj
Zurhaar 7 missed inj

Hearing the club is gradually becoming less sus, though still some work to be done

 

[big_e]

Last chance to post the picture of Dodoro meeting with Essendon's new recruits.

 

[Spud11]

“McKercher” sounds like the Frankensteined Bigfooty username of a 90’s Roos fan called Jason who liked both Mckernan and Archer back in the day.

Therefore

In.

 

[Kimbo]

Please get pick 10 from GC using the future end of first round picks and just take it to the draft.

2,3,10,14 & 19 > 1,3 & 19.

If you don’t think 2 and 10 is enough, you don’t need to add 14. Use PPs or…

NM out: 2, 10 & LMac (incl. salary?)
NM in: 1

NM: 1, 3, 14, 19, 20 (PP)

NM get Harley Reid with onfield leadership upgrade and still have 5x first round picks, WC get 2x top ten picks and a player they’ve coveted for 10 years.

 

[DuckYeah]

If we are dead keen on pick 1, hopefully we can get it done.

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It’ll cost too much.

 

[shinboner magic]

As it stands Crows hold 19,22,25 it’s possible they package those for 10.

GC will want more future picks than picks this year
They’ll get picks back for chol and hollands
Our future picks are gold

 

[Skarrz]

Wonder if there’s any chance of making a play for Schulz - would be perfect for us

 

[Gasometer]

I don't see colonel as hot and spicy... more the bland mash


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Are posters dissing KFC?

I won’t have it

Just sayin

 

[The Y Factor]

TT could request trade next year.
Powell is average.
Wardlaw as good as he can be is yet to proove he will overcome his hammies.
Wilphil has shown signs but is still an average midfielder.



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I spoke to TT myself at the B&F. Without me asking, he said don’t believe the crap in the media and his manager had told him he will have a new contract early next year. He said he was very happy.

I think Powell and Will Phill will both look different players next year, both have well above average ability and when fit and in a settled team, we will see their best footy.

 

[Disco Dew]

I am not fussed who we take... but Phillips and Powell haven't established themselves in the midfield yet. Yes, they have both played good games and have often shown promising signs, but they are not there yet and there would be a level of unknown how high they will peak. None of our mids to date have hit the ground running like Sheezel did this year, I think Wardlaw would have if he didn't have injury interruptions, the games he played in were all very good.

We have to also assume that we will lose players. Will Powell get lured home? Will another mid ask to be traded? Fremantle's push up the ladder stalled because of constant midfield losses, they drafted mids to replace them but that is 2-3 years down the hole. GWS have been able to have a strong midfield despite the turnstile like loss of good quality mids because they keep recruiting and developing the mids before they lose too many of them.

If you recruit McKercher and Sanders and McKercher ends up a 90/100 player, Sanders a 85/100, LDU 95/100, Wardlaw 90/100, Powell 65/100 and Phillips 75/100 then you would eventually retain your best mids and trade out the ones lower on the totem pole whilst they have good trade value and you go again, take some good young mids and build them up ready to replace someone who leaves or push someone else out of the best side. That way you maintain a high standard.

Because it isn't just about Phillips, Powell and the second mid tier, we have players like Greenwood, Howe, Taylor, Turner, Tucker, Zurhaar, Mahony, Shiels, Lazzaro, Drury, etc running through the middle at different times this season. I don't think anyone in this group is in Clarkson's dreams of a premiership midfield. Some are gone, others are playing a transition role and we have some really good prospects but we don't want to go another 2 or 3 years then realise we don't have enough quality in the midfield. No disrespect to Tucker or Stephens but they are/were on our radar because our midfield sucks. It has the potential to get a lot better as some mature but it is not a foregone conclusion and we should never assume it will be, it is a results based industry.

Spot on Tas. Our midfield is no where near the finished product. I would be wrapped if we took one of mckercher or sanders alongside curtin.

 

[Disco Dew]

Wonder if there’s any chance of making a play for Schulz - would be perfect for us

We should definitely be having the discussion.

 

[DuckYeah]

We should definitely be having the discussion.

Neither him nor ginnivan is what we need. They’re very similar. Why collingwood would go for Shultz when they have ginnivan is mind boggling