Live Event 2024 AFL Draft LIVE Thread
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Hollow Knight
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The problem was that clubs had already made trades and invested in future picks before the AFL flagged any proposed changes.
It would be like JB Hifi selling 50 dollar gift cards on Christmas Eve and then announcing on Boxing Day that they are now only worth $40
Is it though for a key position forward you rate.
LukeParkerno1
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It should have been done 2 years ago, everyone knew there were issues but the AFL are as slow as can be and reactionary as can be. Similarly trading 2 years in advance should have been in 5 years ago
The DVI probably should’ve been changed 5 years ago too. The points curve was clearly broken.
However, to make that change you have to give 13 months notice. You can’t change the value of picks after they’ve been traded in good faith.
Carnthefkntigs
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And if the player they rate highly doesnt perform to the expected level then it looks like they have paid an obscenely high price. The downside risk for North is huge.
Same risk as Lalor.
LukeParkerno1
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100% should have been done 2 years ago for implementation this year the curve was a shocker it’s still bad enough
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History suggests the chance that pick 1 is a spud is substantially lower than pick 27.
But far greater scrutiny if they fail which what apparently according to some is the biggest issue facing North.
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Overturn half their losses under 18 points, they win 5 games and finish 16th.
Overturn all those losses under 18 points, they win 7 games and finish 16th.
They won 3 games by an average of 8 points this year against 13th, 16th and 18th.
As it stands they aren't "reverse a couple of close losses and they'll rise," instead they're nowhere ****ing near it.
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she proactively decided not to change it this year. Not to mention that, she doesn't even get it. Clubs should be paying like 200% the points over their value to have access to players clubs don't deserve. No idea why they get a discount. it's a joke.
LukeParkerno1
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They have to try something and the trade is fine. Everyone said Carlton gave up pick 1 when they did it- Crows got pick 6 from memory. No reason North can’t get to that range they were ultra unlucky in a few games this year. Still better than doing nothing
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No its not. Because doing nothing nets them a higher quality pick.
Of course they did
SSwans2011
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This is a misrepresentation of the actual response which was very mixed. I also tried to initiate a couple of conversations with you (and a few others) about why I thought we drafted the way we did and I didn't receive responses.
In terms of some of our needs that you have listed:
KPF: The last few drafts - including KPFs that were left on the table by ALL clubs last night - and the ever increasing importance of small-medium forwards (who have been more damaging in GFs than keys in the last decade or so) signal that the days of paying overs for KPFs at drafts are numbered, if not over. If a club now believes a small forward is a better prospect in the first round, they will take them. We can easily change to a 2 small forward set-up which leaves one of Amartey/McLean as our depth along with Hamling and Buller.
KPD: If anything, we need a ready-made KPD, not a youngster. Any KPD we drafted last night more than likely would have spent the next few years behind McCartin and Melican and likely Snell and Edwards who are tracking very well in the VFL. We will draft Cochrane tonight to add to that.
Inside midfielder: I disagree that we need one. We have an overabundance of midfielders, our problem is how we set-up. Any inside midfielder we took would be competing with Rowbottom, Mills, Adams, Sheldrick, Cleary, and Roberts in the short and long-term. We have plenty of inside midfielders, our problem is that Warner and Gulden spend too much time in there and neither can defend.
Meanwhile as far as small forwards go we've got Papley, Hayward, Wicks and Hanily. Then there's players like Campbell, Cleary and Adams that we play there because we have too many midfielders. It makes perfect sense to take forwards that can rotate through the midfield. We played Parker and Adams at times this year and at those times they would have been our 22nd and 23rd players - the exact players we should be looking to replace at the draft, and based on the roles they were playing and the roles of the players we drafted, that's exactly what we did.
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No they didn't. You are making up a narrative.
They lost 3 games by under 10 points. 2 by between 11 and 20 and 1 between 20-30.
They could turn all those 6 games around and still only have 9 wins. 14th this year (Melbourne) finished with 11 wins.
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Need to limit matching to 3 picks. Ignore the list spots thing.
Yeah. I am a Tigers fan and I think we made some odd choices.. We did not select best available at pretty much any pick. We picked possible highest potential. I hope it turns out ok.
Yeah. I am a Tigers fan and I think we made some odd choices.. We did not select best available at pretty much any pick. We picked possible highest potential. I hope it turns out ok.
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The problem with matching is that the system encourages teams to shift assets around.
Take last year for example. Harley Reid was going at pick 1 to whoever had that pick. Consensus #1 so far out it wasn't funny.
We had pick 1, and if he was a F/S tied to us then all that would've happened is we would have picked McKercher or Duursma or whoever at #1 then made sure we had enough junk picks to get Reid when he's bid on at pick 2.
If we had pick 2 then it would have been in our interests to trade for pick 1 or downgrade pick 2 to a bunch of lesser picks worth more points as it's effectively a choice between taking Reid and giving up pick 2 or taking Reid then also having some other assets.
If we had pick 18 (lol, I remember those days) then we're laughing. Match a bid at pick 1 with a combination of picks then do live trades to get back into the draft (or not).
There's nothing stopping any club from trading out an early pick, bidding on a player with points and then trading back in an early pick.
Take last year for example. Harley Reid was going at pick 1 to whoever had that pick. Consensus #1 so far out it wasn't funny.
We had pick 1, and if he was a F/S tied to us then all that would've happened is we would have picked McKercher or Duursma or whoever at #1 then made sure we had enough junk picks to get Reid when he's bid on at pick 2.
If we had pick 2 then it would have been in our interests to trade for pick 1 or downgrade pick 2 to a bunch of lesser picks worth more points as it's effectively a choice between taking Reid and giving up pick 2 or taking Reid then also having some other assets.
If we had pick 18 (lol, I remember those days) then we're laughing. Match a bid at pick 1 with a combination of picks then do live trades to get back into the draft (or not).
There's nothing stopping any club from trading out an early pick, bidding on a player with points and then trading back in an early pick.
Snuffaluphagus
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I don't know why people are bothering to justify that trade. It's just the cherry on top of the shit cake of list management for years. Basically avoid any KPPs with top picks for a full rebuild then trade overs for a midget half back not really wanted by his club anymore so that you have to give up an all but guaranteed top 10 (and likely top 5) for a low rated KPP and 25.
It's garbage and not worth justifying.
I am jealous of Richmond, once in a lifetime dynasty followed by an incredible trade period that sets the full rebuild off with a bang.
It's garbage and not worth justifying.
I am jealous of Richmond, once in a lifetime dynasty followed by an incredible trade period that sets the full rebuild off with a bang.
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If I were Carlton, I'd get on the phone and see if North are interested in 40 for 54 and Richmond's F2
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As far as I’m concerned Tigers killed the draft.
There’s 180cm mids who get 40+ touches in the juniors every year. Dime a dozen at the top of the draft. Even not so much at the top of the draft.
Their first 3 picks were
1. Prototype explosive Mid/Forward that almost every team was taking no1
2. Big bodied mid with a decent kick who was projected as No1 overall for half the season until his form fell away
3. Potential No1 pick at the start of the year before injury. Super athletic SF who can jump on heads and run through the midfield
That plus turning pick 27+ F2 into a North F1. That’s a good day.
There’s 180cm mids who get 40+ touches in the juniors every year. Dime a dozen at the top of the draft. Even not so much at the top of the draft.
Their first 3 picks were
1. Prototype explosive Mid/Forward that almost every team was taking no1
2. Big bodied mid with a decent kick who was projected as No1 overall for half the season until his form fell away
3. Potential No1 pick at the start of the year before injury. Super athletic SF who can jump on heads and run through the midfield
That plus turning pick 27+ F2 into a North F1. That’s a good day.
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We are taking 4 picks in the national draft and seemingly would like 2 of them to come before a bid on one of the Camporeale boys.
We may be able to achieve that at pick 40, but sliding back to 54 just about rules that out.
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