List Mgmt. 2024 AFL Draft - November 20-21 (Picks 13, 29, 36, 50, 94, 112, 130)

[Ford Fairlane]

Thanks to Lore for this great resource

 

[Port2Power]

Just thinking further about our draft strategy more. If we miss out on Hannaford, Dattoli, Gross with 29, think we must take James Barratt there and then go for Hargrave later as an alternative to those 3 mid/fwds I mentioned. I know he's dropped down the board but the talent is obvious and his fall imo is more due to lack of opportunities in midfield for SA (dominated by Draper, Campos etc) than talent. He's still perhaps SA's most consistent performer across the past 2 years.

Hargrave could be there in the rookie draft and yes 2 years of consistent performance should be taken into account. Its a shame he isn't 185cm +

If we delist a few rookie players in Williams and McEntee than we would have far more options unlikely these two will take their game to the next level. We only have 1 Cat A rookie spot at the moment.

Polkinghorne is another I would want to get in the rookie draft. A good amount clubs will be redrafting existing players as rookies so we should definitely capitalise on this.

Hopefully the list management team is thinking seriously about opening up more rookie spots.

 

[Addy23]

Hargrave could be there in the rookie draft and yes 2 years of consistent performance should be taken into account. Its a shame he isn't 185cm +

If we delist a few rookie players in Williams and McEntee than we would have far more options unlikely these two will take their game to the next level. We only have 1 Cat A rookie spot at the moment.

Polkinghorne is another I would want to get in the rookie draft. A good amount clubs will be redrafting existing players as rookies so we should definitely capitalise on this.

Hopefully the list management team is thinking seriously about opening up more rookie spots.

I genuinely think we're being foolish by not dropping Hugh Jackson, McEntee and Williams. Jackson I guess has shown a bit but for me it's not convincing. What are these players on the list for? Why aren't we prioritising this draft when our recruiters are banging on about how good it is? That's how they sold us the deal for Houston! Just seems stupid really

Would love Polkinghorne (over Hargrave) in the rookie draft. Both would be awesome. If it were only up to me, I'd have cut deep and taken 8 or 9 picks in this draft incl Barrett, Burgoyne and Francou

 

[Addy23]

Hargrave could be there in the rookie draft and yes 2 years of consistent performance should be taken into account. Its a shame he isn't 185cm +

If we delist a few rookie players in Williams and McEntee than we would have far more options unlikely these two will take their game to the next level. We only have 1 Cat A rookie spot at the moment.

Polkinghorne is another I would want to get in the rookie draft. A good amount clubs will be redrafting existing players as rookies so we should definitely capitalise on this.

Hopefully the list management team is thinking seriously about opening up more rookie spots.

Do we have a Cat A spot atm? I thought Williams, McEntee, Walsh and Logan Evans were rookies and that's all we have?

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Would you do 14 and 30 for 13 if Freo really want Berry and think we are going to draft him?

 

[Port2Power]

Do we have a Cat A spot atm? I thought Williams, McEntee, Walsh and Logan Evans were rookies and that's all we have?

Yea we do have 1 Cat A spot available at the moment.

Unless we move Logan Evans onto a main list would allow us to take another rookie pick.
I've posted the table below regarding this.



And YES Francou is another I would want as a rookie pick!

 

[Port2Power]

Would you do 14 and 30 for 13 if Freo really want Berry and think we are going to draft him?

Hmmm tending towards it but I would only consider it during live trade so we know who's still on the board.

 

[Rash]

Would you do 14 and 30 for 13 if Freo really want Berry and think we are going to draft him?

yeah i would definley do it, if they are no sliders.

 

[Brian McGee]

Would you do 14 and 30 for 13 if Freo really want Berry and think we are going to draft him?

Yep. Unless we are super set on him (I would be happy to get him at 13) it’s a good move. Leaves us options like Horton or Hynes, and the ability to pick someone we like at 30.

 

[davesnothere]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...s/news-story/97176208af4a64c232b2a251488a1315

Doesn't have a multi-club deal but is pushing a trade for North to expand pick 2 by working with Richmond.

Tauru goes to Melbourne at 5.

 

[VineValerian]

Yea we do have Cat A spots available.

So the four mentioned above + Narkle delisted and I think your allowed to have up to 6 rookie spots in our case

So should have 2 Cat A spots available going by this.
You are allowed 2 Cat B spots as well. With one being filled by Moss and hopefully other by Barrett

Is the rule that you have 6 rookie spots, for both Cat A and Cat B rookies?

So if you select one Cat B you only have 5 Cat A spots.
If you have 2 Cat B selections, you only have 4 Cat A spots available.

 

[davesnothere]

Would you do 14 and 30 for 13 if Freo really want Berry and think we are going to draft him?

So giving us pick 30 not to use 13 on Berry.

I'm not taking Berry at 13.

Yes thanks for the pick.

 

[Port2Power]

Is the rule that you have 6 rookie spots, for both Cat A and Cat B rookies?

So if you select one Cat B you only have 5 Cat A spots.
If you have 2 Cat B selections, you only have 4 Cat A spots available.

Yea your right I'll edit my post.

 

[davo999]

Would you do 14 and 30 for 13 if Freo really want Berry and think we are going to draft him?

Yes

 

[240volt]

Would you do 14 and 30 for 13 if Freo really want Berry and think we are going to draft him?

I’d wait to see what’s on offer as we get close to our pick on the night.
If there’s some goody’s that slip down the order you’d be a fool not to accept that trade.

 

[yepits2020]

Is the rule that you have 6 rookie spots, for both Cat A and Cat B rookies?

So if you select one Cat B you only have 5 Cat A spots.
If you have 2 Cat B selections, you only have 4 Cat A spots available.

The number of category B rookies does not affect how many players you can have on the primary list (36-38) or category A rookies (4-6 depending on the number on the primary list). Primary list plus category A is a maximum of 42 and then you can have up to 2 more category B - maximum total of 44.

 

[Addy23]

Yea we do have 1 Cat A spot available at the moment.

Unless we move Logan Evans onto a main list would allow us to take another rookie pick.
I've posted the table below regarding this.

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And YES Francou is another I would want as a rookie pick!

So if my calcs are right we have 33 senior spots, 4 Cat A spots and 1 Cat B spot already filled?

So if we go by this table then we could only have 4 picks in the ND to allow for an addition Cat A pick. If we take 5 in the ND then we dont have a spot for Cat A and Cat B?

 

[Addy23]

Would you do 14 and 30 for 13 if Freo really want Berry and think we are going to draft him?

Dont know if this is a hypothetical or there's some smoke. But its an absolute no-brainer. I really wouldn't be surprised if all this talk about Berry was posturing to scare Freo either. Its been done in the past and we fell for it with Sinn and Essendon. Because while I see the talent with Berry as a small forward, I dont see the need to spend a top pick on him.

This would give us 3 top 30 picks plus 36 and 50. Would just need to be ruthless and cut-off McEntee, Williams and Jackson, maybe re-rookie Jackson if needed.

The only thing is, wait to do any deal till draft night.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Dont know if this is a hypothetical or there's some smoke. But its an absolute no-brainer. I really wouldn't be surprised if all this talk about Berry was posturing to scare Freo either. Its been done in the past and we fell for it with Sinn and Essendon. Because while I see the talent with Berry as a small forward, I dont see the need to spend a top pick on him.

This would give us 3 top 30 picks plus 36 and 50. Would just need to be ruthless and cut-off McEntee, Williams and Jackson, maybe re-rookie Jackson if needed.

The only thing is, wait to do any deal till draft night.

Just saw some Freo supporters talking about it in the Draft Rumours thread. They think Freo is keen on Berry but we have the pick before them. They were suggesting trading with Richmond for pick 11 for example and I thought, why not trade with us?

Of course it is something you would only do on the night if no one special has slid.

 

[PJ Power]

So if my calcs are right we have 33 senior spots, 4 Cat A spots and 1 Cat B spot already filled?

So if we go by this table then we could only have 4 picks in the ND to allow for an addition Cat A pick. If we take 5 in the ND then we dont have a spot for Cat A and Cat B?

Pretty much means that we're holding out for 4 non-tied picks, then to take Rome Burgoyne as either ND or CatA and rely on Barrett being a Cat B rookie. No wriggle room really. Poor old Montgomery probably misses out.

I honestly don't know why we're holding on to some of the guys we are, even if they are in contract.

 

[Port2Power]

So if my calcs are right we have 33 senior spots, 4 Cat A spots and 1 Cat B spot already filled?

So if we go by this table then we could only have 4 picks in the ND to allow for an addition Cat A pick. If we take 5 in the ND then we dont have a spot for Cat A and Cat B?

Yes thats correct.
So right now we can only take 4 picks in the ND as thats the amount of spots available on our PRIMARY list.
Which then means 1 CAT A ROOKIE spot available and 1 CAT B available.

Hoping we get Rome as a Cat A and Barrett as our Cat B. But ideally if we delist McEntee and Williams that gives us 3 spots available in our Cat A to get Montgomery/Francou/Hargrave or Polkinghorne

Unfortunately we just didn't cut deep enough on the main list. If Soldo was traded we would have another spot and also with Finlayson's 1 year extension after a poor year's performance.
I get he has personal issues and feel sorry for him but its a performance based industry.
That would of been TWO available list spots on the main and we could of moved Logan Evans to the main list and used our 5th (pick 94) which would be a pick in the 60s on Rome Burgoyne instead of Rookie listing him.
Hopefully he doesn't get bid on because we would be screwed.

Oh WELL!!

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

Like Berry from what I've read tbh

 

[Powerade 08]

Yes thats correct.
So right now we can only take 4 picks in the ND as thats the amount of spots available on our PRIMARY list.
Which then means 1 CAT A ROOKIE spot available and 1 CAT B available.

Hoping we get Rome as a Cat A and Barrett as our Cat B. But ideally if we delist McEntee and Williams that gives us 3 spots available in our Cat A to get Montgomery/Francou/Hargrave or Polkinghorne

Unfortunately we just didn't cut deep enough on the main list. If Soldo was traded we would have another spot and also with Finlayson's 1 year extension after a poor year's performance.
I get he has personal issues and feel sorry for him but its a performance based industry.
That would of been TWO available list spots on the main and we could of moved Logan Evans to the main list and used our 5th (pick 94) which would be a pick in the 60s on Rome Burgoyne instead of Rookie listing him.
Hopefully he doesn't get bid on because we would be screwed.

Oh WELL!!

What did you see from Rome Burgoyne in the SANFL u18s that makes you think he will be bid on?

 

[Addy23]

What did you see from Rome Burgoyne in the SANFL u18s that makes you think he will be bid on?

If he gets bid on it'll be after pick 60 in my view. I think there's an AFL player in him, classy ball user, generally clean and before u18 level, knew how to win the ball in the midfield as well. Slightly bigger than his brother. Was BOG in the u18 finals game. Got a fair bit of physical development to go before he plays AFL. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a bid but I am not expecting one. Purely because once it gets past 50 you know the club will match for sure so bidding clubs generally are willing to let it slide.

 

[Addy23]

Yes thats correct.
So right now we can only take 4 picks in the ND as thats the amount of spots available on our PRIMARY list.
Which then means 1 CAT A ROOKIE spot available and 1 CAT B available.

Hoping we get Rome as a Cat A and Barrett as our Cat B. But ideally if we delist McEntee and Williams that gives us 3 spots available in our Cat A to get Montgomery/Francou/Hargrave or Polkinghorne

Unfortunately we just didn't cut deep enough on the main list. If Soldo was traded we would have another spot and also with Finlayson's 1 year extension after a poor year's performance.
I get he has personal issues and feel sorry for him but its a performance based industry.
That would of been TWO available list spots on the main and we could of moved Logan Evans to the main list and used our 5th (pick 94) which would be a pick in the 60s on Rome Burgoyne instead of Rookie listing him.
Hopefully he doesn't get bid on because we would be screwed.

Oh WELL!!

I am just gonna say it, because I have been holding it in for a while and didnt want to look back. This list management has had its praises for its drafting as well as some trading and I'll give them that credit where its due. But there's a recent recurring theme of (and maybe its just me that feels this way) of us giving away our first round draft pick easily.

To put it in context, we have given away pick 18 this year and a future first rounder from 2025 for Esava, Soldo and Luko. Its a sliding doors moment but if we keep pick 18 this year, we would've solved the problem that Esava was meant to fix but hasnt (by drafting Trainor) and gives us flexibility to pick Dodson (instead of Soldo). Imo, during Ken's reign, this trade was the biggest screw up. Now we dont know how the Luko trade will end up, but I dont think we even put up a fight about the future first rounder.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. And FWIW, we gave Freo's future 2nd to Richmond instead of our own so we lost another 5ish places there. Anyway, rant over

 

[Addy23]

Hoping we get Rome as a Cat A and Barrett as our Cat B. But ideally if we delist McEntee and Williams that gives us 3 spots available in our Cat A to get Montgomery/Francou/Hargrave or Polkinghorne

I genuinely dont know what the point of keeping players on the list is when they won't be playing AFL. I mean if McEntee got ahead of SPP, Rioli, Richards, DBJ, we got serious issues. I am not keeping someone on the list to play a tagging role on Stewart twice a year. Thats the definition of waste