List Mgmt. 2024 AFL Draft

[Addy23]

For me this draft lacks an elite top end, has more depth than usual because there's more talls than normal throughout the mid part of the pool and from 11-40 it's pretty even.

Yep, I'd probably say this draft would have several 150+ game players that are solid, AFL level players without many attractive X-Factor traits that would perhaps make them a bonafide star when it comes to midfielders.

I can see some star Key Forwards coming out of this one though

 

[Addy23]

I'd make a case for Charlie Nicholls.

( Think Westoff) (Justin)

Think we are covered for mids unless there's obviously better than we have F/S

Can play down the ground. Has played a couple of reserves games and gone ok. Did kick 3 yesterday in the under 18s with 16 disposals and 3 inside 50s which suggests he was down the ground.

SANFL U18s Player Focus: Charlie Nicholls (Central District)

Central District key forward Charlie Nicholls was in fine form as his side notched a third-straight SANFL U18s win in Round 4.

central.rookieme.com

If Dattoli or Mraz fall to our first pick in the 30s (the latter more unlikely), we have to take them. I do think Nicholls is a good prospect, but I think there's Key Forward depth in this draft to pick up a KPF later.

We could have a great name in Polkinghorne . Its a shame he's missed out on so much footy.

If we come out of this draft with Barrett, 3 F/S, Dattoli or Mraz, and Polkinghorne without trading our future first (or using any first rounders we may get via trades), that'd be a huge draft. Would mean there's some kicked off the current list too

 

[philthy05]

SIGNIFICANT changes to the Academy and father-son bidding points system will be introduced in 2025, after the AFL decided against bringing it in for this year.
But clubs will be able to match bids on Next Generation Academy players from pick No.1 again this year after the AFL Commission this week approved the rule change.

The League wrote to clubs on Friday detailing a range of new draft, trade and free agency changes which were rubberstamped this week and will come into effect across the next three seasons after the AFL's thorough competitive balance review.

The most significant outcome of the Commission meeting was that the League will wait until next year before implementing its new points system.

It means clubs such as Brisbane (who have Levi Ashcroft and Sam Marshall coming through this year), Carlton (for the Camporeale twins) and Richmond (who traded in extra picks to move up the draft board), which had all rallied against changing it in 2024, will be able to use the draft picks they collected during last year's trade and draft period in preparation for this year, under the same system.

The League has also chosen to wait until 2025 before it allows clubs to trade picks two years into the future. It will remain at one year into the future this off-season.

For 2024, the main changes will be:

• Clubs having access from pick No.1 onwards for NGA prospects in a return to previous rules to align with northern Academy and the father-son bidding system. The AFL has prioritised this change, revealed by AFL.com.au last month, because it does not want to further see a decline in diverse and Indigenous talent.
• The AFL will also continue to run its review on changing the NGA zones ahead of Tasmania's entrance into the game and the required eligibility and sign-up process for NGA draftees.
• Free agency compensation picks will from now take into account contract length as a determining factor, however contracts less than two years, or more than five, will not be given any weight. The League will be more transparent with its free agency compensation formula using the year lengths of deals.
• Clubs will be able to retain rookies for up to a maximum of five years, up from the current three years. This is to help give clubs more time to develop key position and taller talents as well as players from different backgrounds. Stipulations will mean the player cannot have played more than 10 games at the end of his fourth or fifth season to retain rookie status.
• More flexibility in the drafting of father-son prospects as primary-listed players or rookie-listed players. Current rules mean clubs have to nominate before the national draft if a player will be a national or rookie father-son, with the tweak giving more scope to make decisions during the live draft.

For 2025, the main changes will be:

• The revised draft value index and bidding system will be introduced. The new DVI will make it harder for clubs to stockpile draft selections to match multiple bids on Academy and father-son selections.
• As part of this, the 20 per cent points discount applied to matched bids will be reduced to 10 per cent. However, the AFL will continue to review this and assess whether it should apply to all or some of father-son, NGA and northern Academy players.
• The new DVI will see points attached to only the first 54 picks (down from the current system of the first 73 picks). There will be more than 10,000 points shaved off the value of the next DVI.
• Future trading of picks will be extended to two years in advance.

For 2026, the main change will be:

• Live trading will be introduced for the 2026 mid-season rookie draft, allowing clubs to move up and down in the order or trade into the draft using end of year selections.

Draft bidding and future picks revamp on hold, 'Jamarra rule' to change

The AFL Commission has approved a raft of player movement rule changes to come in over the next three seasons

www.afl.com.au

There’s some good and some bad there.

1. It doesn’t address the biggest issue with the nga, and that is the rorting of teams picking up known high end talents that didn’t need help getting under the eye of afl recruiters or getting drafted ie ugle Hagen, the stupidity of father / sons falling under nga and the fact that there’s different rules for some then others ie Sa teams have far poorer access to nga than Victorian teams.

2. The points discount shouldn’t be nerfed unilaterally. There shouldn’t be an issue with a club getting 20% discount on Joe blow cause his dad played at the club for years. Getting 20% discount cause player x happens to live in your zone is a different matter.

Should keep 20% for f/s and make nga 10%.

Why should essendon get the same discount for Rodans boys as the club that paid his contract for years just because the house today found on the property market happened to be in their arbitrary zone?

Having a different amount from f/s to nga makes sense.

3. It’s great they’ve fixed the points ie points value ends at pick 54 rather than 73… but there’s another issue created by that regarding how comprised drafts are changing the draft order and pushing picks back. Last years draft the second round ended at pick 44.

So basically any year port finishes inside the top 10 our 3rd rounder has zero value to match bids for f/s and nga’s?

Also, how do you prepare to match a bid for a player rated around pick 40-60? You have to get a pick that will end up between where he may get bid on, but that won’t finish later than 54? Keeping in mind you have no idea where picks end up as they move as the draft happens.

If your player gets bid on with the last pick of the 2nd round you basically have to have access to one of the picks in around a 10 pick range or points get deducted from your 2nd rounder next year.


Unintended consequences abound.

 

[Long live PAFC]

There’s some good and some bad there.

1. It doesn’t address the biggest issue with the nga, and that is the rorting of teams picking up known high end talents that didn’t need help getting under the eye of afl recruiters or getting drafted ie ugle Hagen, the stupidity of father / sons falling under nga and the fact that there’s different rules for some then others ie Sa teams have far poorer access to nga than Victorian teams.

2. The points discount shouldn’t be nerfed unilaterally. There shouldn’t be an issue with a club getting 20% discount on Joe blow cause his dad played at the club for years. Getting 20% discount cause player x happens to live in your zone is a different matter.

Should keep 20% for f/s and make nga 10%.

Why should essendon get the same discount for Rodans boys as the club that paid his contract for years just because the house today found on the property market happened to be in their arbitrary zone?

Having a different amount from f/s to nga makes sense.

3. It’s great they’ve fixed the points ie points value ends at pick 54 rather than 73… but there’s another issue created by that regarding how comprised drafts are changing the draft order and pushing picks back. Last years draft the second round ended at pick 44.

So basically any year port finishes inside the top 10 our 3rd rounder has zero value to match bids for f/s and nga’s?

Also, how do you prepare to match a bid for a player rated around pick 40-60? You have to get a pick that will end up between where he may get bid on, but that won’t finish later than 54? Keeping in mind you have no idea where picks end up as they move as the draft happens.

If your player gets bid on with the last pick of the 2nd round you basically have to have access to one of the picks in around a 10 pick range or points get deducted from your 2nd rounder next year.


Unintended consequences abound.

Seems like the AFL has made it more complicated than it needs to be once again.

Could have tightened the selection processes and removed the discount for players selected in the first round and it would be much fairer.

Take last year. Gold Coast still get the benefit of developing local talent because they get first dibs on multiple first rounders but have to pay a more appropriate amount. They can still stockpile picks but need more and have to give more to get the stockpile.

Or say the pies with Darcy Moore. They get access to Moore but have to pay a more appropriate price for a top ten KPP.

Means teams can’t completely rejuvenate their list through NGA and FS in one draft.

 

[RangaInTeal]

My god, we're going to be bottom forever!

In the twos who cares

 

[PortVic]

Seen a kid for the Rebels in TAC cup last week. Oliver Hannaford not high up in draft talk. But this kid looks the prototype of the hard running high half forward. Never gives up, opposition panic when his around and likes a goal.

 

[davesnothere]

Player rankings are all over the place.

AFL Draft 2024 Rankings: Father-son, academy guns surge amid most even draft in years

Father-son gun’s big surge; Dusty-like star looms large: Top 30 AFL Draft Rankings

www.foxsports.com.au

Sam Lalor is of interest.

Could go 5 could go 15.

Possibly depends on testing during the draft combine. Looks very powerful in the legs and hips, there's questions about aerobic capacity and past injury concerns I hear hip injury and you sort of want to know more?

Q&A: Sam Lalor (GWV Rebels)

GWV Rebels midfielder Sam Lalor is a powerful ball winner who has drawn comparisons to Dustin Martin, and grew up a talented cricketer.

central.rookieme.com

 

[davo999]

I’d still like to see Isiah Dudley as a rookie . Funny little body shape but Stengel doesn’t look the right type either but plays well . I reckon Dudley has room for improvement if he got on a list

 

[davesnothere]

Flynn Penry.

Ankle injury early in the year has had him going under the radar to a certain extent.

Scouting notes from mid July. Has been consistant.

Ruck | 201cm | 20/04/2006

Stats: 23 disposals, 4 marks, 34 hitouts

A really impressive game from the towering ruck who made light work of his competition with not only his height, but his nous and work rate around the ground. Penry produced a huge four-quarter effort and was best-on from the winners. While not an elite athlete, Penry is still mobile around the ground and finds the ball like a midfielder. He knows when to spread to space and work forward, or duck back into defence to fill the hole. Not afraid to go up for contested marks, Penry often crashed packs, and when at the ruck stoppage, got quick handballs away. His bodywork at ball ups around the ground meant he almost exclusively won the hitouts with 34 to his two main rivals combined 20.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

RangaInTeal ^

 

[Haggas]

Player rankings are all over the place.

AFL Draft 2024 Rankings: Father-son, academy guns surge amid most even draft in years

Father-son gun’s big surge; Dusty-like star looms large: Top 30 AFL Draft Rankings

www.foxsports.com.au

Sam Lalor is of interest.

Could go 5 could go 15.

Possibly depends on testing during the draft combine. Looks very powerful in the legs and hips, there's questions about aerobic capacity and past injury concerns I hear hip injury and you sort of want to know more?

Q&A: Sam Lalor (GWV Rebels)

GWV Rebels midfielder Sam Lalor is a powerful ball winner who has drawn comparisons to Dustin Martin, and grew up a talented cricketer.

central.rookieme.com

He's one of my favorites in this draft.
He would be perfect to what we need. But highly unlikely we get a pick into the FR again

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Lalor has a body shape like Ollie Francou.

 

[davesnothere]

Taj Hotton.

Did his ACL in May.
Port and pretty much everyone else will be all over his medical reports and how his recovery is looking before the draft.

Can see him being in the 10-20 range.

AFL Draft: Exciting prospect, father-son gun cruelled by massive injury blow

“An injury blow for one of the most exciting draft prospects in 2024.”

www.zerohanger.com

Player Number 30 here

 

[Addy23]

Taj Hotton.

Did his ACL in May.
Port and pretty much everyone else will be all over his medical reports and how his recovery is looking before the draft.

Can see him being in the 10-20 range.

If we happen to have a pick in the mid teens, I'd love us to pick Hotton or Berry. 3 players that I think fit a need in our squad. Berry would start in the small forward position straight away imo.

Ofc there's other names like Lalor etc that's been mentioned but I don't think he falls there. Hotton and Berry are genuine chances to be between 10-18

 

[Macca19]

I reckon Hotton goes before mid teens. The way he was going he would have been pick 1 if he stayed fit

 

[RangaInTeal]

RangaInTeal ^

Make it happen Crippa

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

PROJECTED top-end draft pick Levi Ashcroft will play for Brisbane next year after agreeing to join the Lions as a father-son selection. Ashcroft, a midfield star for both Sandringham and Vic Metro at this year's Marsh Under-18 National Championships, will follow in the footsteps of his triple premiership winning father, Marcus.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

FATHER-SONS Rome Burgoyne, Elwood Peckett, River Stevens and Louie Montgomery are among the 62 players invited to test at the state Telstra AFL Draft Combines.

Burgoyne (son of Port Adelaide champion Peter), Peckett (son of former Saint Justin), Stevens (son of North Melbourne's Anthony) and Montgomery (son of Port Adelaide's Brett) are part of a group of 37 players added to the first 25 players state Combine invitees who were announced last week.

Power, Saints, North father-sons invited to state Combine

The invitees for the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft state Combines have been revealed

www.afl.com.au

 

[Honeyboy Wilson]

Welp, with Houston likely going and hypothetical destination Melbourne likely having a pick in the 6 to 10 range, can start talking about our favs who are in that range in current phantoms/power rankings.

My boy this year is Murphy Reid. Goalkicking midfielder who just oozes class and calm under pressure. Awesome skills, reads the play extremely well to get into the right spots and has attributes that are different to what we currently possess. He's not your burst player, more your work in traffic type and can also play forward. Should hopefully be there at our pick as well if we end up with Melbourne's first.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Welp, with Houston likely going and hypothetical destination Melbourne likely having a pick in the 6 to 10 range, can start talking about our favs who are in that range in current phantoms/power rankings.

My boy this year is Murphy Reid. Goalkicking midfielder who just oozes class and calm under pressure. Awesome skills, reads the play extremely well to get into the right spots and has attributes that are different to what we currently possess. He's not your burst player, more your work in traffic type and can also play forward. Should hopefully be there at our pick as well if we end up with Melbourne's first.

I would jump aboard that bandwagon.

Love a player who reads the ball off hands so well and has clean hands around his bootlaces.

The kick he put to the player who took a hanger, had me thinking Reid to Georgiades

And he looked right at home on Alberton Oval.

Some Zak Butters type clever moves with sideways handballs, tap ons, and boundary line moves keeping the ball in play.

He's not tall for a mid, but he looks an athletic build that would fill out nicely.

If nothing else, if we do get an early pick for Dan, there are some talented kids right through that top end.

 

[bringbackbucky]

Welp, with Houston likely going and hypothetical destination Melbourne likely having a pick in the 6 to 10 range, can start talking about our favs who are in that range in current phantoms/power rankings.

My boy this year is Murphy Reid. Goalkicking midfielder who just oozes class and calm under pressure. Awesome skills, reads the play extremely well to get into the right spots and has attributes that are different to what we currently possess. He's not your burst player, more your work in traffic type and can also play forward. Should hopefully be there at our pick as well if we end up with Melbourne's first.

Weights his kicks beautifully...

 

[Addy23]

Welp, with Houston likely going and hypothetical destination Melbourne likely having a pick in the 6 to 10 range, can start talking about our favs who are in that range in current phantoms/power rankings.

My boy this year is Murphy Reid. Goalkicking midfielder who just oozes class and calm under pressure. Awesome skills, reads the play extremely well to get into the right spots and has attributes that are different to what we currently possess. He's not your burst player, more your work in traffic type and can also play forward. Should hopefully be there at our pick as well if we end up with Melbourne's first.

Murphy Reid, Taj Hotton and Joe Berry. Any of those I'd be happy with

 

[b0ydman Jr]

Assuming Marshall retires & we don't get luko, who would we be looking at in the draft?

 

[Long live PAFC]

Whitlock twins look like serious players

 

[Addy23]

Assuming Marshall retires & we don't get luko, who would we be looking at in the draft?

Assuming Esava stays forward, we would have him, Mitch, Lord, Scully and in the worst case scenario Soldo/Visentini if we get bad injuries next year. And Charlie if he goes on. Not sure we need another tall forward with an early pick.

I'd also say Burton's days as HB is numbered. He might return to being a 3rd tall/HF next season.

Saying all that, I'd draft a tall still at some point and for me I'd take a gamble on Jay Polkinghorne.

I like Harry Armstrong too but like I said not sure we need a tall forward with an early pick.