No Oppo Supporters 2024 AFL General Discussion

[.Shotties.]

Well we were 1st they were 7th, so I'd say quite a bit worse..

They were two games behind us with 15 wins. Enough to make top four most years. I won't argue we were a better side over the year, but I don't think you'll find many teams who can overcome a record -setting umpiring performance against them and spending the last quarter down a rotation (with that player being an AA player no less) against another top team.

 

[SM]

They were two games behind us with 15 wins. Enough to make top four most years. I won't argue we were a better side over the year, but I don't think you'll find many teams who can overcome a record -setting umpiring performance against them and spending the last quarter down a rotation (with that player being an AA player no less) against another top team.

Agree to disagree then. We were a very clear best H&A team that year just as we were this year.

 

[bedford]

I see Taylor Adams

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Taylor Adams

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

24.9

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

11.4

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

4.8

5star

CL

5.0

5star

D

20.4

5star

K

12.4

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

5.9

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

18.2

5star

K

11.0

4star

HB

7.2

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.0

5star

CL

2.2

4star

got married .
Also seen on socials that Dyl Stephens has been on trips with a few of our lads

 

[Callipygian]

Hawthorn Football Club settles federal court case with Indigenous players

Former premiership player Cyril Rioli was among the group of players who alleged they were subjected to a racist culture during their time at the club.

www.abc.net.au

Seems odd this reached the public domain around 7 tonight.

Oh wait... it's draft night?

Why look into something that's nothing

I really don't think you can say it is nothing bedford . I see that as just wishful thinking on your part. In my view the players have achieved a measure of vindication.

This matter has dragged out a long time with the club and accused individuals defending this as long as possible before it became public and evidence would have to be given. It started internally, then went to the AFL, then went through mediation at the Australian Human Rights Commission that didn't reach a satisfactory conclusion. The players were forced to take the next step of going to the Federal Court if they wanted redress. They did. They didn't back down or give up, they pursued this.

Next thing, we're back at mediation again and this time a settlement is reached. The inferences I draw are that, first, the defendants made greater concessions than they had previously, and enough that the complainants were willing to settle. This is a measure of vindication for the players. We don't know what Hawthorn FC & co had to give up to settle it but whatever they gave up they did to avoid a worse result and adverse findings being made against them but also to avoid ever having to admit to any wrongdoing. Given that they did get to avoid any admission of fault, I can only think that the settlement includes a substantial financial component else the case would have continued. Second, in my view it reflects poorly on the defendants that they dragged it out so long if they were ultimately prepared to settle.

An unfortunate side effect is that now the public will probably never get any clarity about what really happened and the defendants names are tarnished and they tarnishing doesn't really differentiate between them when it could be that some were more culpable than others.

The way it lands is that a fairly detailed account of events has been given by the complainants (through the media) and the defendants (Clarke, Fagan, Burt et. al.) have never given any explanation other than a blanket denial and "this will be defended to the hilt" type response. Plus, now, a settlement which includes an apology (without admission of fault).

 

[Callipygian]

In addition Hawthorn FC have admitted the complaints were made in good faith and represented the players' "truths" and that the players "suffered hurt and distress". That means Hawthorn accepts that the players felt hurt and distress at their treatment by Hawthorn FC and that Hawthorn FC accepts the players genuinely believe they were victimised in part because of their race. You may wish to sweep that under the carpet (for reasons you haven't disclosed, except you seem to be mates, or at least on friendly terms, with some of the people involved) but it tells me something.

None of this means that Clarko, Fages etc are bad people. But even good people make mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes and nobody would want to be judged on their worst moments. Doesn't mean those worst moments don't exist. Doesn't mean you shouldn't try to take responsibility for them and, if possible, rectify or redress them.

 

[bedford]

In addition Hawthorn FC have admitted the complaints were made in good faith and represented the players' "truths" and that the players "suffered hurt and distress". That means Hawthorn accepts that the players felt hurt and distress at their treatment by Hawthorn FC and that Hawthorn FC accepts the players genuinely believe they were victimised in part because of their race. You may wish to sweep that under the carpet (for reasons you haven't disclosed, except you seem to be mates, or at least on friendly terms, with some of the people involved) but it tells me something.

None of this means that Clarko, Fages etc are bad people. But even good people make mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes and nobody would want to be judged on their worst moments. Doesn't mean those worst moments don't exist. Doesn't mean you shouldn't try to take responsibility for them and, if possible, rectify or redress them.

Sent you a PM , as i'm not going to discuss on here

 

[wolftone57]

I just watched the Crows game back. Amartey was great. But the way we played? Too much Harlem Globe Trotter not enough 2005-6 or 2012 Swans. We could have lost that match. We wasted more ball than than Dunkers kicks did in his whole career. There were signs even then that we were highly entertaining but when the acrobatics don't work it's horrible. It was even worse in our losses. The turnovers were easy & horrible. There is no back up, no shepherding, no protection of the player with the ball at all. I know Roos & Longmire do not believe in shepherding but the reality is every team that wins a Premiership protect the player with the ball to give them time to get a good disposal.

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[wolftone57]

I don't count 16 because we all know that was just bullshit. And it wasn't a drubbing, so not sure what you are saying here.

As much as the umpiring killed us it was still a pretty big margin in the end. We had no answer in the last quarter due to playing unfit players.

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[wolftone57]

It's been 2 of the 4 losses. 2016 and 2024.

Carrying injuries in is a different topic.

Reid went in injured in 2022. McDonald was already been injured in 2024.

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[wolftone57]

It's not an excuse, it's a reason for why we might not have performed as well on the day.

We were much harder hit by umpiring and injury in 2016, than the Dogs, that's just facts.

There was no excuse/reason for 2014, nor for the depths of the poor performance in 22.

This year, we should have put Jordon and Parker into the middle earlier, played Heeney forward if he was struggling. That extra injury impact doesn't even come close to a reason why it was so lopsided.

It is an excuse. We were outcoached & our players did not turn up. The pressure rating was one of the worst of the year. Absolutely no pressure in the first half.

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[Heeney2Franklin]

Cats donors accused of $14.5m fraud against NDIS provider have assets frozen

A former IT manager is accused in court papers of helping orchestrate a huge fraud. Two days after his arrest, he was tossing the coin before an AFL game.

www.theage.com.au

 

[GoTheSwannies]

Cats donors accused of $14.5m fraud against NDIS provider have assets frozen

A former IT manager is accused in court papers of helping orchestrate a huge fraud. Two days after his arrest, he was tossing the coin before an AFL game.

www.theage.com.au

I dont know any facts. But based on that second image in the article. I'm assuming guilt. She looks like an 80s drug king pin / pimp in that pic.

Btw, they can also throw a red circle around the bloke sitting next to her

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

I dont know any facts. But based on that second image in the article. I'm assuming guilt. She looks like an 80s drug king pin / pimp in that pic.

Btw, they can also throw a red circle around the bloke sitting next to her

Geelong are shady as **** lol

 

[GoTheSwannies]

Geelong are shady as **** lol

100% this just seems like the tip of the iceberg of their shady dealings. I'm sure if you scratch below the surface on any number of their sponsorship relationships and things could start unravelling very quickly.

This story raises a couple of questions for me.

1. I wonder if this will shine a spotlight on some of their other shady dealings. This is one of two recent queries into the legitimacy of Geelong's associations.
2. I wonder if some of that IT equipment somehow found its way into Geelongs hands at a "discounted" rate lol

Pops a box of popcorn in the microwave

 

[bedford]

Chris Grant leaving brave dogs , great servant of the club , but another who can't get on with Bevo

 

[SwansLifer]

Chris Grant leaving brave dogs , great servant of the club , but another who can't get on with Bevo

Not sure what it is with Bevo and the fact WB can't move away from him.

 

[hairy biker]

Just had a look at the SEN website and Dwayne Russell has a list of the 7 coaches he considers most under most pressure;

Dwayne Russell's 2025 AFL head coach pressure meter

Dwayne Russell's pressure meter.

www.sen.com.au

1 (most pressure) Nicks
2 Longmuir
3 Beveridge
4 Hinkley
5 Voss
6 Goodwin
7 Brad Scott

Maybe a little shuffling, but not unreasonable IMO, but what I do find odd is his take that;

'Beveridge will 'get another job in a heartbeat …he'll walk into another job 10 minutes after he leaves the Dogs'

'I think Simon Goodwin will walk into another job the moment if he is forced to leave the Dees''

Hinkley 'I think he will also walk in another job.'

Russell is far more upbeat on those three finding another (presumably) head coaching job than I am.

Hinkley 12 seasons to date, consistent, decent record, but no GF would surely count against him.
But it's the other two that I'd actually have more doubts on;

Beveridge, seemingly wants to control everything, stubborn, probably more than any other coach has his favourites and doesn't seem to play well with others.
Goodwin, problem is that he seems to want to party play well with others.

Not sure that the last two guys would be people I'd want around my football club and the (albeit different) culture they'd bring with them.

Now there will probably be an argument well at least they've won premierships.
But bring them in and what cost to the club as a whole?

 

[Mister B]

Congratulations to Norf who in getting a crowd of around 15k to the Grand Final are the first AFLW club to reach parity in crowd size between their mens and womens teams.

 

[spike101]

Congratulations to Norf who in getting a crowd of around 15k to the Grand Final are the first AFLW club to reach parity in crowd size between their mens and womens teams.

Average attendance for AFLW matches is about 2000 pax but receives much more attention in general media than the A league which has an average attendance of 10,000. Why is that?

 

[SM]

Average attendance for AFLW matches is about 2000 pax but receives much more attention in general media than the A league which has an average attendance of 10,000. Why is that?

Does it?

I barely hear about AFLW outside of the GF in general media.

Seems you have a point you'd like to make though?

 

[Mister B]

Average attendance for AFLW matches is about 2000 pax but receives much more attention in general media than the A league which has an average attendance of 10,000. Why is that?

Who cares? Not looking for a serious discussion, I'm here to take the piss out of Norf.

 

[spike101]

Does it?

I barely hear about AFLW outside of the GF in general media.

Seems you have a point you'd like to make though?

Check in eg The Age tomorrow the coverage between the A League eg Melbourne City v Western Sydney 0-2 v AFLW coverage which as I view the score seems to be a pretty one sided affair.

 

[SM]

Check in eg The Age tomorrow the coverage between the A League eg Melbourne City v Western Sydney 0-2 v AFLW coverage which as I view the score seems to be a pretty one sided affair.

Yes, because it is the GF this week.

AFL is also a far more popular sport than football in Australia. I say this as someone who has watched both A-League games today (watching the AFLW GF over the Roar v Macarthur though).

 

[caesar88]

I'm glad Brisbane didn't win the AFLW flag as well.

 

[hairy biker]

Good stuff from the Giants first pick in the draft;

The AFL draftee who wants to banish ‘toxic masculinity’

New Giant Ollie Hannaford was a top-20 pick in last week’s AFL draft, but he has grander goals than just the ones he kicks on the football field.

www.theage.com.au

Adopted Ballarat local and new Giant Ollie Hannaford felt the regional city’s pain this year during a devastating two-month period when three women were killed.

Hannaford’s conversation with the school’s (St Pat's College, Ballarat) boarding master, Tam Westwood, led to the creation of the “Break the cycle” event, designed to raise funds and awareness about violence against women.

Students and staff took turns riding four exercise bikes non-stop for 24 hours, helping raise more than $8000 for the cause.

“Being an all-boys school, I think it was very significant for our school to show that we are respectful young men, and we were trying to get rid of the stigma of toxic masculinity.”

“Being on an AFL list now, it’s really important to be able to use that platform for a good cause, so doing more things like this is something that I can work towards in the future,” Hannaford said.

I won't go back over the GWS 'costume party', but real leadership from Ollie.

Strictly on the football side I was hoping we'd draft him (went to GWS with pick 18, before our 1st at 22).

Impressive individual on and off field.