FR0GGY
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I haven't seen the post-race replay analysis of the Sainz/Perez crash. I will note though that it is possible for neither of them to have steered into the other, both having steered straight, if they were on converging lines.
Both were headed for the same point (i.e. the apex of the next corner), and Perez was closer to the middle of the road than Sainz. Their cars probably weren't on parallel lines - close, but slightly converging.
If that's shown to be the case (and it may or may not be), then the onus would be on Perez to avoid hitting Sainz, given that he was coming up from behind. There was plenty of "racing room" to the left, so Sainz wouldn't have any case to answer.
Both were headed for the same point (i.e. the apex of the next corner), and Perez was closer to the middle of the road than Sainz. Their cars probably weren't on parallel lines - close, but slightly converging.
If that's shown to be the case (and it may or may not be), then the onus would be on Perez to avoid hitting Sainz, given that he was coming up from behind. There was plenty of "racing room" to the left, so Sainz wouldn't have any case to answer.
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And all of them giving mms of space to each other on the entry to the corner.
Perhaps Sainz and Perez should spend a day driving round Baku in road cars before next years race.
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Reckon they will.
If one leaves, it'll be Oscar (McLaren won't dump Lando). But if either left, where would they go that's going to allow them to compete for races/titles while being number 1? Obviously not Ferrari, not Red Bull while Max is there. Possibly Mercedes but that dynamic would basically be exactly the same as it is now.
They're both best left where they are really.
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Ricciardo at Monza was pretty bloody awesome. Wasn't on pure talent like Oscar's but enjoyable nonetheless.
For sure, but I had this nagging feeling he was just the right place, right time guy.
Webbers first win was a total domination even with a pitlane penalty
Aston Martin will need someone in a year or 2.
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I saw a copy of the stewards report on Reddit and it said basically what you've said. They've checked multiple laps and Sainz was on his normal racing line and acknowledged that Perez was in a better position to avoid collision but effectively deemed it a racing incident.
Makes sense to me.
Probably have to allow for the fact its nigh on impossible to see out of those cars too. Feel for Perez a bit, he's been rightly under the pump, puts in his best performance of the year and that happens with a podium in sight.
He blew Max away most of the weekend.
Still must have PTSD from his tires exploding on him (after pushing them waaaay beyond their maximum life and then blaming the manufacturer)
Are we sure he is Aussie and not Finnish?
He is as stoic as Hakkinen and Raikkonen
And nothing like his mother
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It's probably a little harsh but I feel Perez needed to be better there. He did run a great race behind Piastri and Leclerc but he also thrown away 15 points for the team (net 13 points to McLaren once you factor in what Verstappen and Norris would have got)
“The document added that Sainz 'moved towards a car he had limited vision of' while Perez 'could have done more to avoid a car he had a better view of.”
I still reckon for that reason, Perez should have been punished as it ruined Sainzs race - Motorsport always comes back to who’s ahead, and the onus being on the one behind to avoid hitting that car.
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Notice that just before he went live with his SkyCam analysis he had Horner and Hugh Bird (Perez race engineer) next to him talking though their version of events.
The lack of impartiality of the skyF1 B-team on show yet again.
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Didn’t a few others go that weekend?
like luke hodge on 7 on the weekend
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Reckon this is the right call. I was thinking last night that it was probably just a racing incident as neither really seemed to turn into the other.
Was probably a bit of desperation from Perez to hold his spot and a bit of desperation from Sainz to try and overtake Leclerc, which put him in a position where Perez could get up the inside a little. Hard to blame either when both are out to prove something.
A - He didn't push them "waaaay beyond their maximum life".
B - There were multiple drivers who had tyres explode on them that week. It was clearly a bad batch of tyres, and nothing to do with any specific driver.
Not sure how the our media will cope with Oscar. Not exactly a fun guy to be around but hey, get the W's and most of us wont care.
He's a pretty funny guy, you just have to listen very carefully to the little quips.
Maybe the DTS directors will demand he become more cynical and whingy ?? But hes a sponsors dream, super fast and doesnt look to make outlandish statements or create controversy.
Conspiracy time - Perez contact didn't hurt Max at all. It was to protect against Leclerc/Ferrari
Verstappen/Red Bull are not concerned about Norris for WDC, but they are about LeClerc. Red Bull have conceded the WCC is already lost to McLaren, but they could slide further to 3rd, so their fight is with Ferrari.
Piastri 25, Leclerc 18 doesn't change. Russel 15, Norris 13, Verstappen 10 - (McLaren 38, Ferrari 18, Red Bull 10) - OR if no crash:
Sainz 15, Perez 12, Russell 10, Norris 8*, Verstappen 7* - (McLaren 33, Ferrari 33, Red Bull 19)
(* Verstappen one lap on new softs likely gets the fastest lap).
Verstappen 313 vs 309
Norris 254 (59) vs 249 (60)
Leclerc 235 (78) vs 74
Piastri 222 (91) vs 95
McLaren 476 vs 471 (9)
Red Bull 456 (20) vs 480
Ferrari 433 (43, 23 behind Red Bull) vs 448 (32)
So Perez accidentally taking out Sainz helps protect Verstappen/Red Bull from Leclerc/Ferrari.
Not a bad shout really.
He's probably happy for Oscar to win every race from here on in, he wont be caught.
Now the TEAM wont want that, Mclaren are odds on for the Constructors.
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Definitely conspiracy theory territory. Red Bull might struggle for the rest of the year but Max should score in every race remaining while the only track Ferrari would be expected to win at would be Singapore. Ferrari and McLaren will be stealing points off one another for the other races with the odd cameo from Mercedes.
