Did you have the same narrative for L Neale when he won his brownlows , or do you generally reserve comment for Carlton only?
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Brownlow 2024 Brownlow Medal Count - Congrats Patrick Cripps!
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Thank you Jon Pierik for a MSM view that fits with 99% of the BF on this issue - well done Cripps, but the system is busted and the Brownlow risks becoming a joke.
As pointed out earlier though, Jon just cost himself GF tix for his stance!
The first guy to stop clapping Stalin, lol
As pointed out earlier though, Jon just cost himself GF tix for his stance!
The first guy to stop clapping Stalin, lol
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But Chad Fletcher didn't.
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How many inside mids have won a Norm Smith in the last 10 years?
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I guess you can debate whether he was a true 'inside mid' but if we count Dusty... 5/10.
The other 5 is a mix of Wings, small forwards and half backs.
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Goodluck and thanks for Community level hard works.
There may be a new rule that says P. Cripps 3 votes for every game in the land. Spelling is critical as many awards based sportspeeps are in the process of changing their name by depol.
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I know Dustys 2017 season makes Geelong people feel insecure because GAJ never had a season as good as that but seriously one cares about Dangerfield 2017 season. It wasn’t as good, Dusty spanked him in finals on top of it.
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Honestly mate, you need to get that absurd notion out of your head.
Martin is not even the best player of his generation let alone all-time top 20 player discussions.
He may be to your young mind, having not experienced footy when it was a much different sport to the one we have witnessed this past decade.
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The voting system isn't busted. It's pretty obvious that Carlton were dragged into the top 8 singlehandedly by Cripps. The only thing that is busted is our team's depth.
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A season the little master didn't win a brownlow in, and spent most of the year having a spat with the coach, is superior to Dusty's precious 2017. Incidentally both were the same age in their respective seasons.
As always GAJ>>Dusty
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Let's go back to 1924 the start of the Brownlow. All games were on at 2pm, you couldn't take a transistor radio to the game and even if you could, ABC 3LO/774 and all other stations hadn't commenced operating and TV didn't happen for another 32 years. It's logical that the umpire was the best placed to give votes.
We have gone from 18 players and two non-replaceable subs to 22 players who interchange and sit on the bench for periods of time and western royboy eloquently stated that three umpires makes the decision making process more convoluted, let alone four now.
It means that 6.8% of players have the possibility to get a vote in a game compared to 8.6% in 1924 (ignoring the subs in both years). The differential of 3, 2 1 and zero does not normally mean that the best player was three times more impacting than the third best player and that the fourth best player did nothing in the game.
My plan would be to move to a less divergent 6,5,4,3,2,1 giving 13% of players votes and the ability for the four umpires a chance to provide votes to others than the midfield. I also see that stats, especially when players were benched and back on compared to scoring, along with other standard stats are provided. If we are going to hang the umpires on stats alone, then isn't it fair for them to see the stats.
So it's going to be a long night with a 6,5, 4,3, 2, 1 - I am sure there is an ability to rejig the night but we are after an accurate result as best we can and accuracy does take time. Ch 7 will like the additional ad-breaks. I would also look at suspensions, where players are being outed more often for accidental contact or for a clumsy tackle.
With lack of significant TV broadcasts of all game and lack of accessible stats for the first 50 years, it was probably a lot easier on the umpires. Let's give the umpires the tools they need and the ability to name most of the key players and keep the Brownlow the key metric of who is best.
We have gone from 18 players and two non-replaceable subs to 22 players who interchange and sit on the bench for periods of time and western royboy eloquently stated that three umpires makes the decision making process more convoluted, let alone four now.
It means that 6.8% of players have the possibility to get a vote in a game compared to 8.6% in 1924 (ignoring the subs in both years). The differential of 3, 2 1 and zero does not normally mean that the best player was three times more impacting than the third best player and that the fourth best player did nothing in the game.
My plan would be to move to a less divergent 6,5,4,3,2,1 giving 13% of players votes and the ability for the four umpires a chance to provide votes to others than the midfield. I also see that stats, especially when players were benched and back on compared to scoring, along with other standard stats are provided. If we are going to hang the umpires on stats alone, then isn't it fair for them to see the stats.
So it's going to be a long night with a 6,5, 4,3, 2, 1 - I am sure there is an ability to rejig the night but we are after an accurate result as best we can and accuracy does take time. Ch 7 will like the additional ad-breaks. I would also look at suspensions, where players are being outed more often for accidental contact or for a clumsy tackle.
With lack of significant TV broadcasts of all game and lack of accessible stats for the first 50 years, it was probably a lot easier on the umpires. Let's give the umpires the tools they need and the ability to name most of the key players and keep the Brownlow the key metric of who is best.
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Just read the awards mate like shit.
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GAJ is so much better that everybody would pick Dusty in the most important games of the year over him.
I’ll let you dwell on that before you post something that stupid again.
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Ditto, GAJ upon reflection is easily the best player I’ve ever seen (30 years old)
Dusty had big game aura but GAJ was just unbelievable week in, week out - for years
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Essentially everybody. You are dumb for not wanting the best finals player in finals and a GF. It isn’t even a debate.
Serious question to you think GAJ is a better finals player than Dusty or not?
I doubt that they will agree with you. For me, having watched footy since the mid 60's, Dusty is the best finals player that I've seen. He was pretty good in H & A but took his game to another level in finals. Quite extraordinary and he was the major reason the Tigers won 3 flags in 4 years. If he wasn't carrying an injury in the 2018 PF the Tigers may have won 4 consecutive flags.
'People are dumb because they don't agree with you....'
We have already discussed this, many times.
Martin was absolutely fantastic when he was in his prime, his team was in it's prime, against opposition whose strength is questionable (they popped up for one or two finals series at a time, as opposed to regular premiership contenders).
I've previously done an assessment of GAJ's finals performances between 2007 and 2010, compared to those of Martin between 2017 and 2020, and whether you guys like to hear it or not, there is a bee's dick in it.
The difference being, GAJ did it against much stronger teams and also performed when his team wasn't the clear strongest team in it - 2008 Grand Final and 2010 Preliminary Finals being two prime examples.
There have been plenty of finals outside of 2017, 2019 and 2020 where Martin failed to fire at anywhere near the same levels - are we to just completely ignore those performances?
So at the same age, they were pretty much the same statistically, with Jnr considered by some the best mid they have seen, and yet Martin's finals record beats Ablett's. What you believe to be a definitive, it really isn't.
As a Carlton (or even Pies supporter Fadge to a certain extent) I can see why the grind of the home and away season is so important to you, as opposed to finals.
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Yeah, poor us - only 32 flags between the two clubs!
