List Mgmt. 2024 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

 

[The King!]

He might not be on the bench as such, but he has definitely been around plenty of match day. Seen him the last two home games we've been to in the lead up to games.

That's good.

 

[The King!]

I don’t hate the changes to be honest, think something had to be done and this is a compromise

They can't change it for this years draft though, that would be bs

 

[The King!]

We would be extremely wary giving a competitor a free hit with Parker i suspect if the wants to go to North or GC we wouldnt stand in his way but if a Carlton/Collingwood/Essendon tried to acquire his services that would be troubling.

This is all hypothetical but if Luke Parker asked to go to a club, they would get it done for him .

 

[LukeParkerno1]

They can't change it for this years draft though, that would be bs

Don't see why the can't to be honest, people whinging about some junk 4th rounders, my goodness just use them if you don't want to lose them.

Doesn't affect us anyway really.

Whatever year they bring it in everyone will whinge, the issue is why has it taken till July to annouce it (lets be real they aint announcing it for a few weeks)

 

[The King!]

Don't see why the can't to be honest, people whinging about some junk 4th rounders, my goodness just use them if you don't want to lose them.

Doesn't affect us anyway really.

Whatever year they bring it in everyone will whinge, the issue is why has it taken till July to annouce it (lets be real they aint announcing it for a few weeks)

It doesn't affect us I agree but to move goal posts during a season seems amateur hour to me.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

It doesn't affect us I agree but to move goal posts during a season seems amateur hour to me.

Whenever the do it everyone will say the same thing. Wish they announced it 6 weeks ago. Have said it for 3 years, these junk 3rd/4th rounders having value is the issue. They could solve this issue in 5 seconds.

Pick 41 onwards has no value. This means you force clubs into trading an appropriate value and especially if its a top 10 pick. None of this matching with 40 plus picks.

 

[The King!]

Whenever the do it everyone will say the same thing. Wish they announced it 6 weeks ago. Have said it for 3 years, these junk 3rd/4th rounders having value is the issue. They could solve this issue in 5 seconds.

Pick 41 onwards has no value. This means you force clubs into trading an appropriate value and especially if its a top 10 pick. None of this matching with 40 plus picks.

Yeah but it's not hard to announce now for 2025 and give people time to plan.

Not arguing against change, just shifting the goal posts during a year

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Yeah but it's not hard to announce now for 2025 and give people time to plan.

Not arguing against change, just shifting the goal posts during a year

And then clubs do the same thing after the season, delay delay and delay. Just announce it, bring it in and you'll have a whinge or two for a week, everyone will forget it in a month.

 

[caesar88]

It will just be interesting , thinking from Parker's perspective and not the clubs. If he feels he is just getting in when others are hurt, will he want to get out?

It's kind of odd he isn't on the bench or around like Mills (while suspended) to pass on experience (unless I Missed him ). He also is not really the man I want to rush back for a final.

But yeah maybe he gets back in at some stage , just haven't missed his dump kicks,
Campbell tried to replicate them.

This isn't aimed at you, more the debate around Parker in general, but I just don't get the fuss over Parker not being in the team.

He's gonna be 32 this year, and he's not Jake Lloyd, who has been an outside player who will likely just keep on keeping on probably til his mid 30s, or Jarrad McVeigh, who was able to do the same. Parker's an inside mid with a decade's worth of wear and tear. The fact he's even fit and playing still is pretty impressive, but it's effected his mobility. He looks slow even in the VFL.

He's at the same age Kieren Jack was when he was edged out of the 22. Nat Fyfe's 32 and he's arguably already been edged out of Freo's midfield for a few years now (could be argued he's been good this year but I'm not seeing it.) As we found out with O'Keefe, his season at 32 would be his last good one.

So it's not like what's happening to Parker is unprecedented, unfair or untimely. It's just a part of footy and it happens all the time. I think for this reason he wouldn't see it as this shocking, harsh reality that the fans see it as, but rather the next logical phase of his career. David Swallow at Gold Coast vibes.

 

[The King!]

This isn't aimed at you, more the debate around Parker in general, but I just don't get the fuss over Parker not being in the team.

He's gonna be 32 this year, and he's not Jake Lloyd, who has been an outside player who will likely just keep on keeping on probably til his mid 30s, or Jarrad McVeigh, who was able to do the same. Parker's an inside mid with a decade's worth of wear and tear. The fact he's even fit and playing still is pretty impressive, but it's effected his mobility. He looks slow even in the VFL.

He's at the same age Kieren Jack was when he was edged out of the 22. Nat Fyfe's 32 and he's arguably already been edged out of Freo's midfield for a few years now (could be argued he's been good this year but I'm not seeing it.) As we found out with O'Keefe, his season at 32 would be his last good one.

So it's not like what's happening to Parker is unprecedented, unfair or untimely. It's just a part of footy and it happens all the time. I think for this reason he wouldn't see it as this shocking, harsh reality that the fans see it as, but rather the next logical phase of his career. David Swallow at Gold Coast vibes.

Don't to convince me , better players than Parker faded out went elsewhere etc JPK, Hanners, Malceski , Okeefe , Richards , Jack etc Not a lot of the 2012 team walked off in their guernsey on their own terms . It just happens

He may well come in, he may not, but right now he isn't even if fit.

 

[Tesla Tenet]

Parker I don't think would be on huge money anyway and he's required player for my mind especially if Sheldricks injuries keep cropping up. Adams is not known for being injury free either.
I don't think we would save that much cash and Parker is only contracted until end of next year.
If he wants to move fair enough.

Why would you think that. 27 at his prime as the No1 mid. $700-$800 pa.

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[The King!]

And then clubs do the same thing after the season, delay delay and delay. Just announce it, bring it in and you'll have a whinge or two for a week, everyone will forget it in a month.

Maybe actually discuss and implement things properly instead of doing this shit on the run

 

[SM]

Don't how you can say that pick 40 onwards have no value. Think its just Ralphy trying to get a lot of clicks

I think you could pretty easily. How often do you see teams accepting multiple picks outside top 40 for a reasonable player, as if those multiple picks equal a lower, more quality pick?

 

[Kbroome]

I think you could pretty easily. How often do you see teams accepting multiple picks outside top 40 for a reasonable player, as if those multiple picks equal a lower, more quality pick?

6 guys have already debuted from 40 onwards in last years draft.
10 guys from the 2022 draft

Also to finish your point off perfectly do you want me to remind you the exact picks we got Brodie Grundy for and how the pick this year is most likely going to convey.

Grundy was traded to Sydney for Pick 46 which turned into 47 and our Future 2nd which with matching is looking odds on to be pick 40-45

 

[momentbymoment]

If only we could find a killer FF. Preferably in that 24-25 year old bracket. Ideally someone who could kick 8 or 9 in a game.

Would be a real solid addition to the team.

Probably cost the earth …

 

[Jewelsbon]

Yep, I mean I look at last year and Read at pick 9 was matched with two junk 30 odd picks, that was the one that is the issue. Don't hate the idea where you are limited to say 3 first rounders in a rolling period whatever that is. The curve is what the issue is, or the 'points' allocated to each pick in other words. Top 10 picks need to be substantially more, and it should be hard to match a top 3-5 talent

Soooooo they got Ethan Read for a Chad and an Errol? Yep, junk picks alright...

 

[ashep]

I would just offer that the glaring difference between Parker and all of those players being named is that

1. They showed significant decline
2. They were dropped due to performance, not injury

Okeefe started 2014 in the best 22, played poorly and was dropped. It isn't remotely a similar situation to Parker who finished last year as a captain in our best 22 then lost his spot due to injury. Jack, JPK, Hanners, Fyfe etc all got their chance to prove they could still go at the top level. Parker hasn't been given that opportunity.

He came back via the VFL and was dominant. There is no amount of "oh but pressure" that will convince me he wouldn't offer more than Wicks in the forward line, and whilst replacing Campbell or Roberts would require a bit of reshuffling, I think we'd be a better side with Parker in over either of them. Fox's versatility is an asset, but he hasn't been great in the forward line. Then we get to Adams, who is the most like for like candidate and has done a serviceable job but again, I don't see him offering any more than Parker.

Sure, father time comes for everyone but there's no reason to believe Parker's time is up. If an over the top suspension in the reserves marks the start of the end of his time in Sydney it will be an unseemly end to the career of a club legend.

But, you know, we're winning games so who cares I guess.

 

[sataris]

The glaring difference between Parker and all of those players being named is that

1. They showed significant decline
2. They were dropped due to performance, not injury

Okeefe started 2014 in the best 22, played poorly and was dropped. It isn't remotely a similar situation to Parker who finished last year as a captain in our best 22 then lost his spot due to injury. Jack, JPK, Hanners, Fyfe etc all got their chance to prove they could still go at the top level. Parker hasn't been given that opportunity.

He came back via the VFL and was dominant. There is no amount of "oh but pressure" that will convince me he wouldn't offer more than Wicks in the forward line, and whilst replacing Campbell or Roberts would require a bit of reshuffling, I think we'd be a better side with Parker in over either of them. Then we get to Adams, who is the most like for like candidate and has done a serviceable job but again, I don't see him offering any more than Parker.

Sure, father time comes for everyone but there's no reason to believe Parker's time is up. If an over the top suspension in the reserves marks the start of the end of his time in Sydney it will be an unseemly end to the career of a club legend.

But, you know, we're winning games so who cares I guess.

I said it before, but everything is aligning for Parker's first game back to be the Grand Final replacing Adams.

 

[Kiama Chris]

If only we could find a killer FF. Preferably in that 24-25 year old bracket. Ideally someone who could kick 8 or 9 in a game.

Would be a real solid addition to the team.

Probably cost the earth …

We should probably look at Pick #28 in the rookie draft and develop him for 6 years. Happy Days!

 

[Kiama Chris]

We should probably look at Pick #28 in the rookie draft and develop him for 6 years. Happy Days!

And find him a mate in the preseason SUPPLEMENTARY!

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Soooooo they got Ethan Read for a Chad and an Errol? Yep, junk picks alright...

We did luck out but no one in their right mind would trade pick 9 for let’s say pick 35 and pick 39

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Maybe actually discuss and implement things properly instead of doing this shit on the run

Most of the things they can fix are obvious and won’t change a thing- fixing the curve is the biggest thing that has to be done. Happy enough restrictions on amount of picks can wait but fix the curve it shouldn’t be that hard

 

[Kbroome]

I think they need to fix like 3 things:
1. Matching with a pick within that round or within 10 picks
2. Fix the curve just slightly to value picks in the top 20 more than the 30-40 picks currently that are over valued at the draft and under valued at the trade period.
3. Move NGAs to match after pick 30 rather than 40.

 

[SM]

6 guys have already debuted from 40 onwards in last years draft.
10 guys from the 2022 draft

Also to finish your point off perfectly do you want me to remind you the exact picks we got Brodie Grundy for and how the pick this year is most likely going to convey.

Grundy was traded to Sydney for Pick 46 which turned into 47 and our Future 2nd which with matching is looking odds on to be pick 40-45

That's all pretty cool but doesn't answer my question.

We got Grundy for pick 46 in isolation because Melbourne wanted to dump his salary.

What I'm talking about is a club asking for, say, a second rounder, but instead accepting three picks in the 60s because 'adding them together is just as good as a second rounder'.

 

[The King!]

Most of the things they can fix are obvious and won’t change a thing- fixing the curve is the biggest thing that has to be done. Happy enough restrictions on amount of picks can wait but fix the curve it shouldn’t be that hard

It's more involved than the AFL checking you are ok with it