List Mgmt. 2024 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

 

[tombomb]

No benefit to him to sign now.
Unless with Parker off the books, there is more for him.

Hmm not necessarily. Regardless of what the go is with Parker's money, it doesn't always pay to wait.

 

[anotherletdown]

If we do this our whole recruiting team should be fired. Ridiculous unders when we hold the aces, lets sell an ace for a packet of used Twisties. Have we borrowed the Eagles recruiters or something? They would be the only one that's worse if that goes through.

I think you're over reacting.

Our pick will be 22, what is the worst their future 1st could be next year? Then we get 33, which probably slides to 35 this year for a future pick in the late 50's.

Think of it as an 13 pick downgrade for a future 1st.

Either way, it feels fair-ish to me and if they use our pick on Hynes, I'm sure you'll be very content

 

[anotherletdown]

Spoiler alert: they had us taking Jonty Faull and Christian Moraes

Things are getting burnt or broken if that happens in the real thing

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I think you're over reacting.

Our pick will be 22, what is the worst their future 1st could be next year? Then we get 33, which probably slides to 35 this year for a future pick in the late 50's.

Think of it as an 13 pick downgrade for a future 1st.

Either way, it feels fair-ish to me and if they use our pick on Hynes, I'm sure you'll be very content

Not enough that’s the point. A pick this year is worth way more than a pick next year which will be pick 25 at best next year. Heavy pass. Only trade down for WCE’s second if we do it. Why is it we want to trade for “fair” when we hold the ace I’ll never know.

 

[Punts]

Taj hotton get to our first pick?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Taj hotton get to our first pick?

That’s my hope! Surely Richmond with a large stack take him though

 

[Superstar swan]

Heeney got a post

 

[caesar88]

I'll be awaiting the Swans' Jake Lloyd

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Jake Lloyd

Age

31

Ht

182cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

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23.4

5star

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14.4

5star

HB

9.0

5star

M

4.3

4star

T

1.9

4star

MG

403.9

5star

D

23.4

5star

K

14.4

5star

HB

9.0

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

1.9

3star

MG

403.9

5star

D

23.2

5star

K

13.4

5star

HB

9.8

5star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

357.4

5star

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[rustycrate]

Just received my 2024 RookieMeCentral draft guide.
They Have our 3 2025 Academy guys, Carmichael, King and Chamberlain in the top 25 picks.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Personally, I don't feel committed to taking Cochrane (other than as a rookie). There may well be other players available with our last pick that we would prefer. How would others feel if we took a different player with our last pick and another team took Cochrane?

If another team calls his name out, you have to take him. Otherwise rookie him.

To get invited to the AFL combine, you have to be nominated by 3 clubs (AFAIK). Other clubs noticed him.

I watched his first champs game. He was rubbish. All at sea. Then I watched his second game. He made mistakes, but you could see why clubs nominated him. His acceleration stood out.

This kid was kicking 40m flat drop punt passes on his left foot at 12. There were very few kids I knew growing up who could do that. All the players I knew who could do this, played in the AFL.

He's not really a footballer. They didn't really teach him how to play football at the academy. They played him in a whole heap of positions, seemingly to win games of footy. He's 6'6 or thereabouts, with a slight frame. He has no idea how to use his body in a marking contest. So the options are, build his frame and play him as a KPD in the twos and see if he has an appetite to dominate KPF's, or play him as a line breaking outside HBF or winger. Just settle him in a position and see what he can do.

You can teach a kid to play football, but you can't teach a kid run faster and jump higher. He has something most other players will never have. That's why you have to take him.

 

[Ticky009]

 

[caesar88]

If another team calls his name out, you have to take him. Otherwise rookie him.

To get invited to the AFL combine, you have to be nominated by 3 clubs (AFAIK). Other clubs noticed him.

I watched his first champs game. He was rubbish. All at sea. Then I watched his second game. He made mistakes, but you could see why clubs nominated him. His acceleration stood out.

This kid was kicking 40m flat drop punt passes on his left foot at 12. There were very few kids I knew growing up who could do that. All the players I knew who could do this, played in the AFL.

He's not really a footballer. They didn't really teach him how to play football at the academy. They played him in a whole heap of positions, seemingly to win games of footy. He's 6'6 or thereabouts, with a slight frame. He has no idea how to use his body in a marking contest. So the options are, build his frame and play him as a KPD in the twos and see if he has an appetite to dominate KPF's, or play him as a line breaking outside HBF or winger. Just settle him in a position and see what he can do.

You can teach a kid to play football, but you can't teach a kid run faster and jump higher. He has something most other players will never have. That's why you have to take him.

With all due respect we are actually in dire need of kids who know how to play football and NOT just run fast or jump high. A lack of speed or athleticism has not hurt us once in any of our grand final demolitions, but our lack of players who can read the play? Pick a ground ball up? Find a free target in congestion? Anticipate an opponent's move? That's cost us. Badly.

I don't know the first thing about Cochran other than the fact he is a tall defender and he's from our academy, which is undeniably appealing. But this is not the endorsement of him that you think it is. You've just described Joel Amartey.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

With all due respect we are actually in dire need of kids who know how to play football and NOT just run fast or jump high. A lack of speed or athleticism has not hurt us once in any of our grand final demolitions, but our lack of players who can read the play? Pick a ground ball up? Find a free target in congestion? Anticipate an opponent's move? That's cost us. Badly.

I don't know the first thing about Cochran other than the fact he is a tall defender and he's from our academy, which is undeniably appealing. But this is not the endorsement of him that you think it is. You've just described Joel Amartey.

Do you think I was trying to sell him to you? I just told you who he is as a footballer. Strengths, weaknesses.

Why are you talking about what you need right now? What do you think you're going to get with pick 60 or an RD pick? The missing flag piece?

He's not really a tall defender - they've been playing him everywhere. Maybe they thought they could get a kid who's not really from a footy background, and never really played against proper footballers, and just give him a taste of everything like he's a new uni-grad hire?

The guy has elite athletic ability. Wouldn't be ready for 3 years, if at all. But given it's unlikely any RD pick is going to be good enough to crack the Swans line up anytime soon, it doesn't matter if you have a project player.

Your boys just didn't turn up on the day. They were the best team all year. You don't need to make wholesale changes except working out how you're going to replace Warner.

 

[bedford]

Do you think I was trying to sell him to you? I just told you who he is as a footballer. Strengths, weaknesses.

Why are you talking about what you need right now? What do you think you're going to get with pick 60 or an RD pick? The missing flag piece?

He's not really a tall defender - they've been playing him everywhere. Maybe they thought they could get a kid who's not really from a footy background, and never really played against proper footballers, and just give him a taste of everything like he's a new uni-grad hire?

The guy has elite athletic ability. Wouldn't be ready for 3 years, if at all. But given it's unlikely any RD pick is going to be good enough to crack the Swans line up anytime soon, it doesn't matter if you have a project player.

Your boys just didn't turn up on the day. They were the best team all year. You don't need to make wholesale changes except working out how you're going to replace Warner.

Warner not going anywhere troll now #### ###

 

[caesar88]

Do you think I was trying to sell him to you?

I mean, kinda?

If another team calls his name out, you have to take him. Otherwise rookie him.

That's why you have to take him.

I'm just saying that "he's an athlete, not a footballer" is not an ideal endorsement of a player for us given we have gone heavily down this route and our list is now skewed too heavily towards such players. Had you come in here and said the exact opposite of that, and talked about his football nous and game awareness, then I think I'd be a lot more excited about Cochran.

I'll reiterate that I'm still in favour of us taking him because as you say, he's likely not going to cost us much, and I don't think we're at a point yet where we can turn down academy prospects when they're available to us. Hopefully junior development in NSW reaches a point where we could do so.

 

[Kbroome]

Am i right in saying the Richmond has to sell atleast two of their picks before the start of the draft for future selections or else they get wiped because they only have 6 list spots but 8 draft picks?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Am i right in saying the Richmond has to sell atleast two of their picks before the start of the draft for future selections or else they get wiped because they only have 6 list spots but 8 draft picks?

They can open list sports if need be. Won’t be done till the draft unless the pick 2 trade comes in.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

I mean, kinda?

I'm just saying that "he's an athlete, not a footballer" is not an ideal endorsement of a player for us given we have gone heavily down this route and our list is now skewed too heavily towards such players. Had you come in here and said the exact opposite of that, and talked about his football nous and game awareness, then I think I'd be a lot more excited about Cochran.

I'll reiterate that I'm still in favour of us taking him because as you say, he's likely not going to cost us much, and I don't think we're at a point yet where we can turn down academy prospects when they're available to us. Hopefully junior development in NSW reaches a point where we could do so.

Generally speaking, I'm not a fan of athletes either. I'm a footballer. I come from a family sports people. I think you'll take him as a rookie. Stick him in the two's and see if he can dominate. I don't think your answer to your missing piece is going to be at the back end of the draft, or RD. Some of your guys just need to get it done on the day.

 

[Kbroome]

They can open list sports if need be. Won’t be done till the draft unless the pick 2 trade comes in.

Just looked at my sheets document of it and they have 9 spaces so they are fine if i am reading it right.

I expect them to take 6 ND some DFAs to get up to the 36 minimum senior listed players

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Just looked at my sheets document of it and they have 9 spaces so they are fine if i am reading it right.

I expect them to take 6 ND some DFAs to get up to the 36 minimum senior listed players

Can see them taking 6, sending at least 2 firsts (late ones to next year via live trades). Then probably take the rest via the rookie or whatever. They might take 7, gut says 6 is about right

 

[Kbroome]

Can see them taking 6, sending at least 2 firsts (late ones to next year via live trades). Then probably take the rest via the rookie or whatever. They might take 7, gut says 6 is about right

Of the 6 it probably will be 2 pure mids a mid/forward a KPF, KPD and a ruck.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Of the 6 it probably will be 2 pure mids a mid/forward a KPF, KPD and a ruck.

At least 3 mids, won’t be surprised if they don’t take a ruck actually. They might and I gave them the best one in my mock, but they may not.

First 3 picks mids, best key forward at 11. Fill the needs after that a Trainor type may appeal late in the draft, maybe they go 4 mids then go Shanahan. They may also consider a winger at 10/11.

 

[bedford]

At least 3 mids, won’t be surprised if they don’t take a ruck actually. They might and I gave them the best one in my mock, but they may not.

First 3 picks mids, best key forward at 11. Fill the needs after that a Trainor type may appeal late in the draft, maybe they go 4 mids then go Shanahan. They may also consider a winger at 10/11.

Now your doing it for other clubs lol

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Now your doing it for other clubs lol

Be fair I had to look at clubs needs before putting together my mock draft.

 

[Adnico26Parker]

With all due respect we are actually in dire need of kids who know how to play football and NOT just run fast or jump high. A lack of speed or athleticism has not hurt us once in any of our grand final demolitions, but our lack of players who can read the play? Pick a ground ball up? Find a free target in congestion? Anticipate an opponent's move? That's cost us. Badly.

I don't know the first thing about Cochran other than the fact he is a tall defender and he's from our academy, which is undeniably appealing. But this is not the endorsement of him that you think it is. You've just described Joel Amartey.

Joel Cochran Draft Profile

Mobile key defender Joel Cochran is the top Swans Academy prospect this year, boasting high level endurance and intercept marking ability.

central.rookieme.com

Cochran also translates his results on-field. He is a terrific intercept marker, able to arrive at the contest and pluck overhead marks at the top of his reach. His endurance base is outstanding and aids his rebound work.

STRENGTHS:

• Endurance
• Intercept marking
• Mobility
• Rebounding
• Versatility
• Vertical leap

IMPROVEMENTS:

• Composure
• Kicking on the run

The issue I have is that he should have played at least 3 or 4 games at VFL level after the U18 Champs, but that never happened - as noted the VFL team seemed to me a mess this year and maybe he was a victim of that.

In the 1 VFL game he played vs Collingwood, he looked reasonably good coming out of defence, and at times on the wing.

16 disposals; 8 kicks, 8 HB
5 marks, 2 tackles

Sure he looked a bit lost, but that’s what happens with the Academy boys - because they don’t play as many games like the Vic boys do in the Coates League.

Long term, I think he’s more suited to a running defence wing role, but he can play forward as well.