List Mgmt. 2024 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

What should we get with our first two picks as they stand

  • Best Available for both

    Votes: 25 29.4%
  • Small forward/Small Defender

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • KPD/Small Forward

    Votes: 9 10.6%
  • Mid/KPD

    Votes: 2 2.4%
  • KPD/Defender

    Votes: 19 22.4%
  • KPF/Small Forward

    Votes: 7 8.2%
  • KPF/Mid

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • KPF/Defender

    Votes: 23 27.1%

  • Total voters
    85

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Who knows, he might end up as a third mobile tall forward. 🤷
Exactly, its way too early to tell

And I’ll admit, because he hasn’t been exposed to footy as much, it could take time and yes, he could very well fail.

Because the talent in the draft has become evidently more stronger, and more players have started to emerge as higher picks, a player like Joel has gone down rankings to the point of going unnoticed - so the chances of a cheap pick with a late, or even making it through as cat B rookie is a stronger possibility as the draft gets closer.
 
Exactly, its way too early to tell

And I’ll admit, because he hasn’t been exposed to footy as much, it could take time and yes, he could very well fail.

Because the talent in the draft has become evidently more stronger, and more players have started to emerge as higher picks, a player like Joel has gone down rankings to the point of going unnoticed - so the chances of a cheap pick with a late, or even making it through as cat B rookie is a stronger possibility as the draft gets closer.
Do to his athleticism, his upside is big. His acceleration is elite. One of the knocks is his ability to hit a target. This is more based on not properly knowing what he's doing, rather than a flawed technique. This just naturally fixes itself with game time and confidence in his role. I don't think the Academy settled him in a position, which has probably been detrimental. He needs a period of time with one clearly defined role (in the VFL), and let him nail it.
 

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Do to his athleticism, his upside is big. His acceleration is elite. One of the knocks is his ability to hit a target. This is more based on not properly knowing what he's doing, rather than a flawed technique. This just naturally fixes itself with game time and confidence in his role. I don't think the Academy settled him in a position, which has probably been detrimental. He needs a period of time with one clearly defined role (in the VFL), and let him nail it.

That second sentence makes me want to puke! Can't hit a target please tell me he's not another Jarrod Brander (sorry mate I had to say it lol)
 
That second sentence makes me want to puke! Can't hit a target please tell me he's not another Jarrod Brander (sorry mate I had to say it lol)
The acceleration thing? Go check his highlights. Other kids just can't do that. As for Brander, no one is going to spend #13 on Cochran. Brander was a way better player at this age. Cochran can hit a target, he just doesn't properly know what he's doing yet. He's played everywhere but never truly learned how to play a position.
 
The acceleration thing? Go check his highlights. Other kids just can't do that. As for Brander, no one is going to spend #13 on Cochran. Brander was a way better player at this age. Cochran can hit a target, he just doesn't properly know what he's doing yet. He's played everywhere but never truly learned how to play a position.

More the hitting targets thing, I recon the last thing I want is a player who can't hit a target when turnovers lose games these days. It's probably why I've been consistent in this, not matching before the 4th round, even then not sure I would personally. Feel he's a rookie pick, be perfect if we could get him through to the Cat B rookie. Think I have him 60+ and that's very generous.
 
Why is there a West Coast supporter here trying to talk us into Cochran?

If you think he is so good, bid on him at 26 and he is all yours.

Please I hope not, we will actually be so silly and match the thing there!

Ruben actually does a lot of draft work, knows his stuff quite a bit, did us in the BF draft, really good bloke
 
For Cochran, long term his position seemes to be an intercepting third tall down back.

Not going to take your first or second option but able to cut out. Think kind of an AA type position

You better hope he can really kick then
 
More the hitting targets thing, I recon the last thing I want is a player who can't hit a target when turnovers lose games these days. It's probably why I've been consistent in this, not matching before the 4th round, even then not sure I would personally. Feel he's a rookie pick, be perfect if we could get him through to the Cat B rookie. Think I have him 60+ and that's very generous.
I too don't like drafting players who can't kick. If you can't kick, unless your Cripps or Fyfe, generally speaking you can't play. Cochran's kick is fine.
 

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I too don't like drafting players who can't kick. If you can't kick, unless your Cripps or Fyfe, generally speaking you can't play. Cochran's kick is fine.

Not so sure on it being fine to be honest. From what I've seen it was iffy at best
 
Why is there a West Coast supporter here trying to talk us into Cochran?

If you think he is so good, bid on him at 26 and he is all yours.
He is worth something in the 50s or 60s. We have pick 73. Even if he's available, I doubt we would take him.

I'm not saying he's amazing, and I'm not trying to talk you into anything (because you have no say in who the Swans draft). I'm just saying he has some serious athletic ability and might be worth a shot.
 
Joel’s kicking per se is fine, but like all newbies, it will obviously need some development and improvement, refinement.

I find that because he has an athletics background, his speed can cloud his disposal efficiency (in that Collingwood VFL game is was 62.5%) so his kicking action is reasonably ok, he just needs to learn to slow it down a touch, look up, and hit the target.

As I said earlier, he’s suffered from not having consistent game time this year, as donmost of our Academy boys. They only ever get four games in the Coates League, and maybe four games in U18’s.
 
Who is David Cuningham?
 
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Joel’s kicking per se is fine, but like all newbies, it will obviously need some development and improvement, refinement.

I find that because he has an athletics background, his speed can cloud his disposal efficiency (in that Collingwood VFL game is was 62.5%) so his kicking action is reasonably ok, he just needs to learn to slow it down a touch, look up, and hit the target.

As I said earlier, he’s suffered from not having consistent game time this year, as donmost of our Academy boys. They only ever get four games in the Coates League, and maybe four games in U18’s.
From what I've seen and heard Joel has the raw material but is a fairly late arrival. We have time to develop him into whatever role he seems best suited to. For a newbie it's simpler to play in defence but with his characteristics, if his kicking comes on, I would be interested in seeing him tried as a third tall in attack with his speed and leap. We talk a lot about our talls being cumbersome.
 
I don't mind David Cuningham actually. I always rated him as being a solid player at senior level. Injury prone but useful as a forward type.
 

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